Is it true or is just people getting paid for it? (Kagari was hyping about it even before the new expansion was out)
The problem is that it´s a MMO, I don´t want that, I keep seeing imagen of the games and it´s generic as fuck, text it´s too fucking small, and I don´t like the "create your generic heroe" shit, it doesn´t fit with FF.
So what do you think of FF14? Is that good or is just marketing?
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the game is great during ARR but after you finish all the story content you will get bored
its worth the monthy for about 2 months
XIV:ARR is the best MMO to have come out in a decade if you're not someone that likes the endless grind
it isn't a game that'll keep you going (atleast it wasn't at launch), it however is a really good game
I simply bought the game and finished 80-90% of the content at launch with the included month and I felt like I got far more than my money's worth out of it
if you're looking for a game to play nonstop for several years, this isn't the game for you
> I don´t like the "create your generic heroe" shit, it doesn´t fit with FF.
I bet you think FF started with VII
Explorers is better.
it's not the best MMO of all time, but it's the best MMO that currently has a large playerbase. if you're a big fan of classic FF you will probably like it, as it's the newest game out that is still faithful to FF's legacy. it has very strong references to older FFs and even to their other properties like tactics ogre and einhander. i think the story's main strong point is that it probably has the least convoluted lore of any MMO and the world building is excellent, it's the only time i've really cared much about lore in any setting.
with the free trial you can play any of the game's content up to level 35 on multiple classes, and you save your progress if you do decide to buy it, so it's worth a shot even if you end up hating it.
In terms of story it's better than the NES FFs, 12 and 13. I'd say it's about even with FFV.
It takes its sweet time getting off the ground though, but it's worth the payoff.
It's "good JRPG" quality, but not really in the highest tier for the FF series. Just better than what they've put out recently.
The story stinks but the game is alright
The expansion, Heavensward, is legitimately one of the best Final Fantasies.
rather that than the opposite
There's a lot more content in there than there was at launch. A good 5-6x as much to do, maybe more.
The story is hit and miss. It's pretty good at some points, not so much at others.
>The story is hit and miss
And even then it's still better than Muh Lightning fantasy XIII and Boyband fantasy XV.
>1
Nope, as these game story isn't entirely made of fetch quests.
Every FF game except for 7 and 15 is shit. Sorry to burst your bubble idiot.
It's too easy. Sorry.
>I've never played Chains of Promathia
FFXI filtered out casual faggots with Valkurm Dunes, so of course he didn't.
Garbage.
First post best post.
It's a horrible MMO, but it's a decent Final Fantasy. I spent less than 50 bucks for the core game, expansion, and two months of subscription (first month is free).
So it's a pretty good deal.
>as it's the newest game out that is still faithful to FF's legacy
Kek, most jobs don't even play as FF jobs.
ARR is filled with fetch quests but heavensward actually feels like a classic final fantasy game and that your going on a grand adventure with some bros
Why was XIV 1.0 so hated? I never played it but it looks pretty interesting and distinct from what I've seen.
I wouldn't mind if it was made playable again, I'd love to play it myself and see why it failed.
Because it was rushed out while still in an alpha state because Wada wanted it to compete with Cataclysm. There was literally no content at launch. Nothing. Just an empty world with enemies to grind exp on. It did get a lot better by the end of its life, but by that point it was too late to salvage the reputation. It had a lot of potential with the content systems Tanaka planned, but he wasn't allowed the time to implement them.
If I were just to play this for Final Fantasy and not the MMO aspect, how many hours is the game?
I'd say you're looking for 150 hours, HW included, if you don't blaze past everything and do the important sidequests (usually they have a little picture in the summary they give you, the rest tend to be meaningless fetch quests)
More than enough. It starts really slow but the main story is long as fuck so you still get your moneys worth. Just take your time and enjoy all the fanservice this game has to offer.
> all the fanservice this game has to offer.
Oh yeah, Yoshi-p is literally incapable of being original
FFIX has the same level of fanservice and nobody accuses it of being unoriginal. They're both homages to the series.
When I quit I had 16 days of game time, but that's not an accurate representation because I left the game running while AFK a lot.
It's a decent amount, either way. More than you'd get from, let's say, FFXV.
It'll also depend on what class you play, I mained White Mage, so it didn't take long at all to get put into parties for dungeons/trials (boss fights)/etc. If you're playing DPS you'll be waiting a while longer.
If you go in expecting a half decent final fantasy game with boring, generic MMO combat, you'll have a good time. If you go in expecting a good MMO, with forced socialization to complete stuff, non-speed-runned content, innovative ideas and content that'll last you longer than a few months -- you'll be sorely dissapointed.
>FFIX has the same level of fanservice and nobody accuses it of being unoriginal. They're both homages to the series.
Not even close.
The main quest storyline in Heavensward is really pretty damn good for a final fantasy game.
Of course this is the post level 50 stuff so you have to get there first.
For all its faults, I'm willing to forgive Heavensward for the soundtrack alone.
I still quit after running Alwaysreap and Fractal Continuum about 1923832 times though.
Are you crazy? Have you not played FFIX, or did you go through it drunk? The entire game and storyline is compiled from references to previous games.
see I'm pretty nolife and I think it was released during a holiday period so I think I spent like 6-8'ish hours a day on it, so that'd be like 220h
Most of the references in FFIX are from FFI, whit the devas and Garland.
Other stuff it's just minor, and FFIX was always sold to people a product made to celebrate the classical FF after the more modern ones.
FFXIV basically takes from ALL FF, there is the fucking Golden Saucer in Eorzea, the FFVI triad, countless plot point like FFIII dark vs light, the war of magis, and the motherfucking Crystal Tower down to Eureka and the Cloud of Darkness.
I fully expect Balamb Garden and Sin to appear in FFXIV at some point, Yoshi-P is literally incapable of being original.
if youre casual, its pretty good and i recommend it. theres a fuckton of stuff to do nowadays, and the story is 7/10 imo
if youre a raider/endgame folk, its still pretty good but you HAVE to join one of the top 5 servers or youll be unable to do anything
>Kagari
Who
FF post 10-2 lacks the core staff, so no matter what people think of it; it's at best an imitation in terms of comparison.
If we're talking a beeline through the Main Story 150 hours.
If you do some of the important supplementary sidequests
All 3 parts of Binding Coil will take you maybe 2 hours with an unsynced party and cutscenes
Crystal Tower will take another 3 hours
The Sky Pirate's questline at the moment is about an hour and a half.
Alexander would probably take you 3 hours
And the Manderville questline adds like 6 hours
Being generous doing everything that has to do with Edda including Palace of the Dead is probably 2 hours.
Then there's a BUNCH of misc optional dungeons and bosses on top of that that build more on lore than they are actual plotlines.
AND each class has unique quests which would require you taking every class in the game to max level to experience them all.
Keep in mind this isn't counting queue times and for that reason you could probably double the ACTUAL number of hours these would take altogether, but those won't be hours you'll be playing.
>All 3 parts of Binding Coil will take you maybe 2 hours with an unsynced party and cutscenes
did they nerf the shit out of binding coil?
IIRC binding coil used to take sooooooo fucking long
Yes. You can go in as level 60 with your i270 gear and stomp Bahamut so hard that he skips most of his mechanics. It's trivial.
Not the user you're responding to, but FFIX is most definitely a throwback game. Moreso than XIV
>Same deal with FFV with Gaia and Terra
>Ramuh's story during Garnet's trial is a plotline ripped straight from FFII
>Battle theme is a throwback to old games
>Every other key item you come across was from a sidequest or the main quest in a previous FF
>First and only FF using strict job classes to not have any new ones; every playable character's job class in FFIX is a rip from a previous game
>
Also the blue and red moons from FF4, the alien brothers twist from FF4, Castle Pandaemonium from FF2, the Invincible airship from FF3, the Lifestream from FF7, etc.
When I played it at launch, you were forced to make maxed gear & relic to even get a party and then actually completing all the turns would take like a hundred or more hours
I know, I was there. It's sad what it's become. Bahamut is easier than current dungeon trash mobs if you go in at level 60.
feels bad man
Nael will fucking bend you over backwards, though. I can't tell you how many people go into T9 at 60 for bonus/WT/whateverthefuck and get curbstomped.
>go into obsolete content with current raiding gear and unsynced so that you have all of the maximum stat benefits
Gee I fucking wonder why it's easier.
I wasn't confused why it was easier. I just think it's sad.
Nael is my favorite boss in FF. Those mechanics are so intricate and the coordination required where everyone at any time has the opportunity to fuck up the fight is beautiful
You forgot the countless mobs ripped from XI, XII and XIII and the ones that are based on already existing enemies from the sprite games.
XIV is pretty much a hub of all things FF and I don't mind, I think it goes mostly under appreciated because the English speaking playerbase haven't touched another FF game.
>lack originality, just copy shit from your old products and other sources
>supposed to appreciate this
A few scattered homages is fine, but when it's as blatant as XIV it sort of takes away from the game's identity.
I've already forgotten most of the game and I only quit last month.
The story is god awful and takes WAY too long to get going anywhere. This isn't a final fantasy game. It's just your generic MMO, though highly polished at least. You'll spend the first 10 minutes doing fucking nothing. You'll spend the first couple hours doing stupid fetch quests that'll have you running around a huge city forever. You won't get any story until the bullshit has moved out of the way... then you'd have to grind more and more quests just to keep progressing. It's a shit game I regret buying. Enix cannot craft an engaging experience and has always relied on the grind-grind-grind mentality that's ruined their games.
Don't buy this game. Do the free trial and see for yourself how awful modern MMO's have gotten.
>>lack originality, just copy shit from your old products and other sources
you mean like every other FF game?
>A few scattered homages is fine, but when it's as blatant as XIV it sort of takes away from the game's identity.
>posts a pic of Alexander, which got nothing but shit because it wasn't similar enough to previous versions of Alexander
They had to rebuild the game from the ground up and realised they didn't have enough enemies. It's completely understandable they would use resources from their other games. I'm all for originality too but it's not like say aevis dragons or quarns last boss look out of place.
Not him but he means blatantly reusing existing 3D models not enemy types. Pic related, look at the text on this robot, it's Pulsian, and Pulse is a world exclusive to XIII.
Kagari's opinions on XIV should be completely disregarded. I don't like to cry shill like most of the fucking retards around here, but she is the absolute definition of a shill when it comes to XIV. The game can do no wrong in her eyes.
She's a shit player to boot.
Too bad Heavnesward didn't feel like a war. It was because it was a bunch of fetch quests that the expansion in terms of story is bad. Not to mention the cliche church is evil and the rebels dindu nuffin while demonzing the rich and the poor are depicted innocent victims. Which leads me to believe they'll never write a good story again as long as they keep relying on tropes and cliches.
Maybe they should shift the story towards more of a conservative feel instead of a leftist feel, because no one is buying into the leftist narrative that you're seeing with video games.
Some Neofag whore. I don't know why OP even mentioned it.
I don't have a problem with reusing assets if they're decent assets
It used to be true, not so much since the whole "she wasn't dead she was merely comatose/sleeping and we have this potion that will restore her perfectly the way she was" and the whole "people came from a different world to do things then don't actually do those things and the plot resolves itself through minfilia-ex-machina and everyone was happy ever after"
>the cliche church is evil and the rebels dindu nuffin while demonzing the rich and the poor are depicted innocent victims
I don't think you actually paid attention to Heavensward's plot. The church was not evil. A number of the church is corrupt, but they were not implicit in the 1000 year long lie. The Archbishop had to sustain the lie because they were already under a 1000 year long siege and you can't destabilize a country under those conditions. He became a Primal to end the war because he loved his people.
The rich are not demonized. Only House Dzemael is depicted as a group of unrepentant douchebags, and even then the Count himself is a stand up guy that you meet during the moogle quests. House Fortemps, Durendaire, and Haillenarte are all friendly allies that do everything they can for their country. Meanwhile, the poor in the Brume are shown stirring up just as much shit as the clergy who refuse to accept what happens after the lie is exposed.
the arr story is meh, worldbuilding was handled poorly
the heavensward story is legitimately the best story they've done in years, and maybe the best story arc i've seen in an mmo.
but the gameplay is really really mediocre. The controls are fairly comfy but combat is way too many buttons for way too little effects and numbers don't feel impactful.
>the heavensward story is legitimately the best story they've done in years, and maybe the best story arc i've seen in an mmo.
>The controls are fairly comfy
Don't respond to bait, newfag.
>He became a Primal to end the war because he loved his people.
And then commit massive genocide and force all people on Eorzea and possibly the planet to live under church rule and doctrine or be purged.
He never says anything about genocide or church rule. He says he's going to go fuck up anyone or anything who threatens Eorzea and give them peace whether they like it or not.
So I just saw someone in PotD 1-10 insta-casting ice, was that guy hacking or something?
they turn shiva from a throwaway character into one with a huge emotional investment. I unsubbed before the last few patches though so the ending could have runed it. Alexander is a cool idea wasted on a shitty filler arc and im curious about them tying in older FFs but making Krile a lalafel is not ok
its also not acceptable that the book mobs in the library dungeon have less abilities than they did on snes
>they turn shiva from a throwaway character into one with a huge emotional investment
What? Both Shiva and her summoner are MASSIVELY important to the Heavensward storyline.
It's absolute shit paraded by a marketing department and the unholy bad taste fusion of MMO planetoid/Weebshitter that is an actual fan.
Are you illiterate? That's literally what he fucking said you imbecile. The implication was that she was a throwaway character in ARR
The fact that the church at all had anything to do evil is a clear message. Why couldn't they have just not made the church evil at all, but instead as a back drop as to why the people are still holding out despite 1,000 of war? Also, remember they had to pick Christianity out of all religions to showcase the muh religion is bad. Using Christianity is lazy and shows how ignorance devs are using it. How about actual evil religions such as Muslims to use the cliche?
Also, yes they demonized the rich since the last major patch they made mention of how the rich had to start giving back to the poor. Not to mention video games never ever depict the poor realistic. It is always this condescending attitude game devs have towards the poor. Oh the poor are just victims of circumstances, they weren't really bad they were being manipulated by this boogyman(Deus Ex:MD did this shit for a recent example), it is this X hierarchy/supremacy.
Give me a break. There is always SOME EXCUSE.
>>Same deal with FFV with Gaia and Terra
Not even close.
Beside, that's more of a trope than anything, Tales of had too.
FFXIV literally takes iconic stuff.
Pray seeketh for succor at the waking sands!
His version of peace, his rule. You think he's just going to let everything else exist as it was?
Jusr saw the rememberance speeches before choosing a grand company last night. How do you guys rank those speeches? Merlwb sold me on the Malestrom pretty hard, followed closely by the ruler of the forest folk.
Great example about how mixing final fantasy nostalgia into a cohesive world is easy and exactly what we want. Where is my ff9 artstyle MMO? [spoilers] no potatos allowed [/spoilers]
Shiva went 360 after her appearance in ARR from a logical person that was willing to do anything to accomplish her goal to some sun dairy(I can't remember the name of the weeaboo term) back ground character that constantly gets shit on and then in the last cut scene she does "the noble sacrifice" instead of just shooting her ice arrows like what she could have done to stop Garlemad.
>a back drop as to why the people are still holding out despite 1,000 of war?
They did exactly that. It's the reason the lie held on for so long, and Thordan talks about that. The peoples' faith is what kept them going against a horde of pissed off immortal aliens, and he couldn't break the truth to them as long as the war was still going. That's why he went to end it.
The existence of corrupt elements within the church is just honest. It had unquestionable power, and that always breeds corruption. Even so, it also depicts plenty of people who stand against that corruption. The Catholic theming was a reference to the Kingdom of San d'Oria in FFXI, which was also a kingdom of war-hardened Catholic elves with a relationship with dragons.
Again, the church in Heavensward was not depicted as evil. Only as having corrupt elements.
>Lightning Potato
I'll take 20
Can i play IT solo? I don't have time to imveste in a party
>"Oh FFXIV it´s really good and has a pretty good story!"
Yes, can agree and the story is pretty good so far.
Huge amount of world and lore building up until now with a lot of potential for the future.
yeah they've shown us like six-eight civizations compared to the hundreds in warcraft
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>You will never be this enthusiastic
This is the first MMO I've actually invested in.
I love the soundtrack, I love the look of the different levels, I love the MSQ but it keeps ramming me into roadblocks. "oh, things are just about to get good? Well slow down buckaroo you need to etch out 2 or 3 levels doing dungeons and fates before you can see where this is going"
The server I'm playing on is entirely antisocial too (exodus) I'm not expecting people to just walk up and talk to one another, but 90% are AFK in Ul'dah. Even doing the HW zones I can count the amount of times I run into people one one fucking hand sometimes. I want to like this game, I've sunk in plenty of cash but every time I buy a subscription I end up playing for around a week or less and then stopping
Didn't old FFs re-use sprites from past games?
The planets are literally named the same as they are in FFV. It's a straight rip.
There's a duty finder meaning that any content that requires a party can be done via matchmaking with people that you never really have to even communicate with.
Statics are only a thing for super hardcore raids
Wow, that actually sounds like a lot of fun.
>Beast tribes
>City states
>Foreign powers
>Ascians
>Voidkin
Not really, there is something like 20+ or so in FFXIV right now.
Obviously a huge amount more in the future potentially. (Meracydia, Thavnair, Garlemald, New World, Othard and Ilsabard)
>The planets are literally named the same as they are in FFV. It's a straight rip.
You wot. FFV has worlds, not planets. And they are the same world, divided in to 2.
You are probably thinking of FFIV, but do you realize Terra is not Gaia's moon?
And the problem is not reference, but how much they are used to the point you take iconic stuff.
The only thing stopping you from doing so is mandatory dungeons that you have to do with Duty Finder (14's version of dungeon, boss fight and raid matchmaker) in order to progress the story.
The game uses the Tank, DPS, Healer triage for those kinds if duties and are impossible to do alone to an extent.
You will need to play with and tolerate others.
The game has become a rancid, soaking, smelling pile of shit if you were a fan of FFXI in its prime or FF14 1.0 at launch
At least the class system is still in the game, although nobody fucking uses it
Story is absolutely shit as well. 1.0 had an amazing story
they threw it ALL AWAY with ARR
On top of that, the game isn't even remotely difficult. If you want a game that plays itself, sure, it's a good game for you. Otherwise, stay the fuck away
FFXIV players can't play for shit, but at like they can ERP.
>Ul'dah
>Gridania
>Limsa Lominsa
>Belah'dia
>Gelmorra
>Seekers of the Sun
>Keepers of the Moon
>Amalj'aa
>Kobolds
>Ixal
>Moogles
>Sylphs
>Qiqirn
>Goblins
>Illuminati
>Vanu Vanu
>Gnath
>Vath
>Nym
>Mhach
>Amdapor
>Allag
>Meracydia
>Sharlayan
>Radz-at-Han
>Doma
>Hingashi
>Garlemald
Really gets the noggin joggin
I only remember some ogre sprites and the spirit spirite from FFII PSP being used for IV. Why I remember something like that I do not know.
Go back to Balmung, friend. You can RP as a shitter there instead.
Do you think 1.0 could have been great had it not been rushed out? A true successor to XI rather than the retarded WoW clone we got?
I didn't start XIV until recently (and then promptly quit after finishing the normal content), and it was a dull experience. I heard the end of 1.0's life had some good changes and additions, but all I really know about 1.0 is how horribly it was panned at launch.
Fill me in my man.
They're planets. You can travel across either of them and they loop around either way. Galuf also traveled to Bartz via meteor which means space travel was possible between the two before they were re-linked