How do we fix Ace Attorney?
Pic related is literally the only GREAT AA game since AA3.
>but muh AA6
It was "ok" at best. Nothing bad, nothing great.
AA4 was shit, AAI was shit, AA5 was shit. DGS and AA6 were just "ok"
Should the franchise just be axed already?
I'd say AA5 was just *ok* too, the only major thing AA6 really had over it was proper investigations.
Both it & 6 are better than DGS which has a mostly likeable main cast but unfortunately most of the cases end anticlimactically
>aai1 is shit
It is.
AA2 was shit too.
Honestly the team should move onto a new series or IP.
I think the issue now is that all the main characters essentially have had all their arcs resolved and there's not an awful lot left to go on
It doesn't matter if they had their arcs resolved.
They'll just shove some shitty random backstory into them like Apollo to keep them relevant.
that was one thing that really let SoJ down for me
i feel like many returning characters are basically just fanservice at this point ("oh hey guys do you remember edgeworth") and rarely contribute anything significant at all to the storyline or they get the Apollo treatment
they really need to move onto a new cast, but many of the new characters have not been very memorable
hey remember Maya? well here she is but whoops she's arrested again!
And don't get me started on that pointless Pearl appearance in 6-5
The fuck do you have against AAI1?
Yep, just pure fanservice like Trucy's appearance in Dual Destinies, really.
Honestly the only returning character I want to see is Gumshoe and maybe Franziska.
The story is a fucking snoozefest nobody cared about.
Shitty cases except the flashback one.
Overly drawn out finale.
Awful characters except for Lang.
Only bad cases in it were the third case and the final stretch of the final case. Story-wise it was just okay, it's just Sup Forums only caring about the final cases in these games and nothing else as usual despite those cases typically being the dumbest ones in the series. I'll take it over the courtroom revolution shit we've had for the past couple games any day.
The only egregiously bad thing about it was that Gumshoe was overly characterized as a cowardly lion-type for some reason, that shit was terrible.
>it's just Sup Forums only caring about the final cases in these games
6-5 was shit and I still see honeymooners praising AA6 like no tomorrow.
>honeymooners
Stop, man. Everyone has dropped that meme already.
Where is the problem with simply letting others enjoy something that they enjoy?
>enjoying things
We're fine, they got rid of Ace Apollo, maybe they'll bring back all the nostalgic characters we love like dick gumshoe
Right, you're somebody who doesn't enjoy things — I get it. But don't ruin the fun of everybody else because you're a miserable person.
no, no, get started, what riles you up about pearl appearing in kurain village?
>haha cut my salary pal! xdD
If they're going to bring him back and get the Pearl/Maya/Edgeworth treatment then I'd rather they not.
Trilogy pandering is the cancer killing AA.
There's likely gonna be a case or two in the next game where you play as Apollo in spirit land and have to do the magic death pond bullshit.
I didn't even mind Pearl in DD to be honest. More in the DLC case than in the main game but even so, she was still Pearl but without the rabid shipping (Athena seems to have inherited that role now) and helped out in the investigation.
>implying they're going to touch on Khura'in ever again
It's over. They wrapped that story up.
AA7 will be some new shitty story on some new setting addressing nothing about the previous game like AA6 and AA5 were.
Probably slapping some random tragic story on Athena or Phoenix to keep them relevant.
>implying they're going to touch on Khura'in ever again
They haven't removed a single gimmick yet.
I had this same thought process about Athena and her magic emotion detector.
Let's just all admit that AA6 is just an inferior AAI2. I'm not saying it is a bad game, but there certainly share some parallels. AA6 is still manages to sit up there with VS which is just below AA3 and AAI2
Besides AA6 can't be a bad game because it has Rayfa.
>Let's just all admit that AA6 is just an inferior AAI2.
I don't think anyone will deny that.
Well, magic pond was a setting gimmick, not a character gimmick (bracelet, matrix)
I don't see why it would return, other than some filler or fanservice case in Khura'in
But that would waste time on the main AA7 story unless it was DLC
Everyone agrees that AA6 is inferior to AA3 and AAI2, but it is worthy to be the third best in a great series.
>Should the franchise just be axed already?
Yes, Danganronpa it's a much better similiar game.
First 3 Ace Attorneys and OP's one are the best ones and honestly I don't think they'll ever create anything better than these 4.
The problem with Ace Attorney, even if it sounds fucking stupid, is that the cases are too much "realistic" and so they can't get any special or incredible. I mean ok, last case of AA3 was fucking insane, but all the others are just... Pretty """normal""" homicides. Compare them with the insane bullshit from Danganronpa, thanks to literal superhumans, rules and other retarded stuff
There are some that disagree; ergo, the word "everyone" is incorrect in this sentence.
nah. I enjoyed AA2 and AA4 more than AA6.
Hell, I even enjoyed the crossover more than AA6.
Boy, such a taste you have here
Well, I didn't exactly give a fuck about Phoenix's adventures in third world shithole or the overall story arc. That alone made the game weak for me.
I just beat AA1, and by that I mean I didn't play the tacked on DLC chapter Introducing The New Friend. What's wrong with the rest? Are they just rehashes with worse writing? I mean if they wanted to spice up the series they could have player agency that goes beyond success vs. game over and have to skip through several dozen pages of text to resume where you were (what the fuck is with that, by the way). Just one or two cases that can spiral in several different ways. Ones where the player has to arrive at the suspect they want to finger themselves instead of the game just telling them. Imagine how cool it would be to be completely knee deep in arguing someone must be the killer when and the contradictions keep coming and you have no way of guaranteeing if you actually have the right suspect or not.
>Imagine how cool it would be to be completely knee deep in arguing someone must be the killer when and the contradictions keep coming and you have no way of guaranteeing if you actually have the right suspect or not.
Danganronpa does that.
Ace Attorney also has a fair share of bait and switches.
Like, just keep playing at least AA2 and AA3. (and 1-5 too you fag)
>Danganronpa does that.
It's still linear as fuck and 90% of time the killer is obvious as plain day. 2-5 is the only chapter with great mystery which is comparable to the best AA cases, and yet judging by everything else from this series it was simply a random fluke.
>Ace Attorney also has a fair share of bait and switches.
They're linear though and the player has no way of spurring them. If the player figures it out, they have to sit through a lot of time being disconnected from their character. The illusion slips away and it is frustrating.
>Like, just keep playing at least AA2 and AA3.
I'll try AA2 (skipping over this DLC chapter because reading that it is the longest chapter in the series is a massive turn off). Just tell me they have less time spent investigating. Having to mash through every area to get the event flags to trigger is outright bad. I would liken it to Sonic Unleashed where you had the night levels and the day levels, but at least here they have a genuine purpose.
>2-5 is the only chapter with great mystery which is comparable to the best AA cases
Don't know what you're talking about. There are a lot of shitty predictable AA cases that are outmatched by some other DR cases too.
Until 2-5 DR cases were decent at best, and some of the lows were insufferably bad (1-3 particularly). Also, some of the disconnected arcadey shit like hangman's gambit disrupts the pacing of a trial for no reason.
I still enjoyed these games and I'm eager to buy DRV3 on launch, but assumption that they do something better than AA is ludicrous to me, not after DR3 shit the bed and completely ruined every single good foundation from DR2 story.
2-1, 2-2, and 2-4 are all good. 2-5 is better than most AA cases (though AA's a tighter franchise overall I think). Only DR1 had consistently shit cases and that was in part because you didn't even play as the detective like you do in AA ("lawyers" in name only, you're detectives with a licence to yell at people in courtrooms in this series and it's all the better for it)
My biggest problem with the series is how they keep recycling character arcs/backstories. Athena was basically Edgeworth with tits
Cases 4 and 5 in AAI1 are amazing.
Case 2 is very solid.
Cases 1 and 3 are shit though I agree.
AAI2 > AA1 = AA3 > AA6 > AAI1 > AA4 > AA5 > AA2 > DGS > PLvsAA
At least Maya actually got a mayor role plotwise, even if she herself wasn't in the game much - her actually actively channelling people for court cases was cool
Ema's appearances in both AAI games are much more ridiculously stupid (especially in AAI2, where it makes no sense whatsoever)
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>AAI that high
>AA4 that high
Is there a template of this with the PLvsAA cases?
For whatever reason I've played the other games in the series except AA4. Should I bother fixing this mistake?
Third case aside it's not even that bad. Give it a go atleast (it's piss easy to emulate even)
>Third case aside it's not even that bad
I agree that the user you're replying to should definitely play AA4 because why the fuck not, it's a game of the mainline, but there's no need to feed him lies.
First case is good, second case is solid, fourth case was all over the place but the Mason System investigation segment was probably the best investigation sequence any of the post-trilogy games have had and the villain breakdown was satisfying enough. It's not that bad.
You mean
AAI2 > T&T > SoJ > AA > DD > AAI > PLvsAA > JFA > AJ
AAI2 > AA3 > AA5 > AA6 > AA1 > PLvsAA > AAI1 > DGS > AA2 > AA4
> AA5 was shit
haha no
The game was weak because it concentrates on the worst character in the franchise.
I literally just finished AA6 no more than half an hour ago. I don't know how I feel about the game. In a lot of ways I felt like the investigations and trials still had a lot less input from me than pre-AA5 entries. Also characters constantly pointing out exactly what evidence or statements are the ones to present or press before I even get the chance to do so is really annoying.
Also the shitty flashbacks to something said not but a half hour ago every five minutes is miserable.
But the writing itself felt pretty good with regards to everyone's characterization, save maybe Apollo who felt like he only actually became a character for the sake of this game's plot.
AAI2=T&T>DD>SoJ>AA1>PLvsPW>JFA>AAI>AAAJ
The objective rankings are
>Tier 1
GK2
AA3
PWAA
>Tier 2
AA6
>Tier 3
AA2
AAI
>Tier 4
AA5
AA4
I take it AA1 doesn't exist?
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Now that the honeymoon phase is over can we all agree that SoJ was shit?
>PWAA
It was a pretty good game dragged down by the worst prosecutor.
It was better than 4, 5 and AAI1 so no, it was not shit you meme spouting autist.
the honeymoon is never going to be over
"Let it go and move on" the prosecutor was really fucking lame. He never put up any serious challenge after the first trial he appeared in.
You sound triggered. Well all three of these were basically about the same (worst) character so..
>Worst character
>Not Athena
How can someone have such a shit taste?
>Phoenix got 4 games.
>Apollo got 2 games.
>Edgeworth got 2 games.
>Athena only has 1.
AA7 is an Athena game confirmed.
>How can someone have such a shit taste?
You should ask that yourself, bud. Apollo is the cancer of AA and his game is the worst in the series.
But it won't be called Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney because they need to shoehorn Phoenix somewhere.
I actually really like AA4 despite some of its cases being pretty much total misses.
Athena bugs me a lot mostly because I feel like she's never utilized for anything relevant in the story.
Honestly there are just so many returning characters that it's really hard to focus on what made the first three games so good. The writers are too busy trying to shoehorn in lines for every part of Phoenix's entourage to focus on the off-the-cuff exchanges between the main lawyer and his client/assistant/prosecutor.
>Fetishizing AAI2 because it never got localized
It's a good game, but it's also the game that highlights how absolutely retarded the justice system and protagonist morality is in the series. Plus a conspiracy ten times more contrived than the first game.
She wasn't yet. Beacuse AA4-5-6 were an Apollo trilogy and developed his character from different sides.
I think her character is funny and isn't your regular tsundere that we were used to. And her interactions with Blackquill are really great too.
I agree that since DD they seem to focus on the new playerbase and fanservice rather than the old fans.
Hopefully when Athena gets her own game we will see her story and character develop more.
>people unironically like Athena/want an Athena dedicated game
What's your argument against one? Please don't shitpost, and please make your post genuine.
i wish layton vs wright had more than 3 cases and that the third case actually ended in a satisfying manner
the trials were good and mob witnesses were done well but it was 1-2 trials too short and didn't have a good villain breakdown at the end
You're right about her and Blackquill for sure. They have a good rapport and fun banter.
Future titles might just need to focus less on Phoenix so that other characters can have their arcs wrapped up faster than three whole games.
Quite frankly, Apollo's story was glacial until the end of each of the games he starred in, and he barely got any real development across all of it.
She's alright in my book, at least she feels different from Phoenix and Apollo, with the latter being too much of a Phoenix clone who seems to only be made for self-inserting and is getting really annoying.
I'd rather have an Athena focused game than another "Apollo was actually the adoptive son of the emperor of Japan" shitfest.
>Future titles might just need to focus less on Phoenix
True. But I don't think they will ever remove Phoenix from playable characters let alone the game itself. He's too much of a brand. People recognize his name and new players might not be interested in some other character they know nothing about.
That's a sad thing but since the series are quite long and the company don't want to lose their money they made it so people can basically start from any game. That means we'll never have a developed story that continues for several games. That's also the reason why they constantly "forget" about some key event from previous games. Sad really.
As about Apollo I really don't like his character. He seems like a bland Nick and to be honest he's too much of a normie comparing to all the unusual interesting characters in the game. And because his character is bland they try their hardest to make his story interesting. but at the end it just seems forced.
>tfw didn't care enough to play aa6
Crapcom burned me hard with aa5, fuck that game. Only localizaing DGS can be bring me back.
DGS is one of the worst games in the series.
Don't care, I want to play it myself because the setting and sherlock holmes
>SoJ is considered by most to be a return to form
>doesn't play it
>wants DGS instead
>most who played it think it wasn't that great
nice shit taste
DGS isn't good. Why would you want it?
>turnabout bridge that high
the whole burning figure at the bridge really made me kind of upset and confused at the same time
Do I get to stand up for my own taste in this thread?
alright so hear me out to make "the best" Ace Attorney game you know what we need?
our boy
AA6 was great, if you played the others you have no reason not to fucking play it.
Nope.
It was good but flawed and arguably highlighted how stale parts of the AA formula are getting
It's a people are misremembering how good the trilogy was thread
we seem to have those a lot
The only major thing the newer games have over the older games in terms of improvements are less retarded investigation flag points (generally anyway, then you have cases like 4-3 that are worse than AA1 in that regard)
After replaying it I actually think that you guys over-exagerrate about the weaker parts of it, as well as over-hyping the better parts
You're all a bunch of melodramatic drama queens basically
No, the investigations are weaker than the original trilogy because of the lack of non-linear story locks. The way the original trilogy used Psyche Locks (and Perceive in AA4) made the investigations more non-linear and open ended. Can't crack this one asshole? Better investigate more until you think you have enough evidence, or maybe you have enough evidence but you just can't figure out the Psyche Lock. You never knew. The investigations in AA5 and AA6 didn't utilize this in the slightest, any Psyche Locks that showed up were solvable immediately which made the Investigations feel really linear. Granted AA6 improved upon this with making every area investigatable again and not fucking railroading you from Point A-to Point B like AA5, but they weren't still up to par with the original investigations.
What the new games have over the original ones is that they're significantly better in terms of character development and overarching storylines. Rafya got more character development in one game than Maya got in 3, Debeste's and Apollo character arcs in AAI2 and AA6 are significantly better than anything the original trilogy had, etc.
>What the new games have over the original ones is that they're significantly better in terms of character development and overarching storylines
Seems just as hit-or-miss to me as before. You've got good ones like Debeste or Rayfa and then terrible ones like Apollo or Athena too. In the trilogy you mention Maya as someone who doesn't develop but then not Edgeworth or even Phoenix or Franziska for ones that do develop?
I don't like the courtroom revolution overarching storylines that we've had for the past few games at all. The games never go into enough detail about legal processes and so on to even give a shit about legal reform to begin with (6 games in and we still know next to nothing about how sentencing even works in AA)
Phoenix and Edgeworth get decent development, but Franziska gets jack shit. She has one scene at the end of AA2 at that's it, she reverts back to her normal self in AA3 and never gets any further development.
>and never gets any further development.
I take it you didn't pay attention to AAI or AAI2?