They didn't have a better cover art? REALLY?

They didn't have a better cover art? REALLY?

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Is that a Pokémon game?

Actually they did.
Not that it matters since Cave Story 3D is fucking shit.

The Japanese cover was much, much better.

Why is it shit again?

Why does he wear a knife?

It looks like ass and adds literally nothing, while subtracting visuals, sound, and gamefeel.

>worse music
>fucking ugly
>less content than other versions

if he pulled it out, would you die?

No, but there would be no babby.

>gamefeel
Do we really not have a better word for it than this?

Okay I dunno what's worse

The fact that someone thinks this shitty meme is still funny.
Or the fact that someone thinks babby was ever funny.

Please apply yourselves. Do something that transcends yourself, and eventually, quite eventually, impresses me.

>actually paying for cave story+, cave story wii, cave story 3D, or ANY of the nicalis/NIS ports
reminder that nicalis jewed pixel out of the rights to cave story and none of the money goes to him, not to mention the translation is shit, most of the added "content" is stolen from old fanmods, the framerate is fucked with without adjusting any of the game's physics or timing which breaks the fuck out of the game, the new sound tracks range from pretty good to absolute dogshit rather than just being good throughout like the originals, and the whole fucking game is available for free as one of the first results on google when you search for "cave story original"
if you want to give Pixel money, buy kero blaster
it's better than cave story anyways

(You)
I keked

Cave Story 3D is fucking garbage and Nicalis is a shitty developer and needs to die already

Aren't Nicalis making infinite money off of BoI Rebirth? I doubt they're going away any time soon.

>kero blaster
I tried, it doesn't play as good like cave story.
Dropped it midway

What's the best version of cave story for a first timer?

The OG freeware translation

>subtracting gamefeel

Thanks for the warning user. Was going to play this with Danny on next week's Grumps but now it's going straight into the garbage along with all my animation tools where it belongs.

>I tried, it doesn't play as good like cave story.
t. played the shit nicalis ports and thought ultra-floaty jumps were good

i never understood why people can't get the idea behind game feel

it sounds like a dumb term but i don't know how else i'd describe it either, considering it's how the game feels to play.

have people seriously never had that in the back of their minds while playing something? it's the culmination of the responsiveness of the game to your actions plus stuff like sound effects and aesthetics working together to create the experience as a whole.

I don't know but it's fucking terrible. I bought it, even have the sleeve, since I'm a big cave storyfag and it's the only physical release. It actually has a unique level after killing the undead core but before hell. I remember liking it.

The original Cave Story has yet to be dethroned

I've played literally every version of the game besides steam, and I'd say 3d is worth a playthrough for a huge fan. Its not as good as the dsware version of the game but its a pretty unique version.

>the best and worst Cave Story versions are on the 3DS

>>the best
>not the original freeware version

Honestly the original is still the best. Nicalis kinda fucked with the translation and the bonus modes are lazy as fuck. Easy makes an already easy game easier and hard is absolutely imbalanced bullshit. Curly mode is entertaining but not much. The boss rush is just okay.

The 3ds version has a unique level at least, and no I don't mean wind forretress. I don't think it has wind forretress even.

It's an undertale rip-off, look, there's a goat in the japanese cover!

Cave Story+ was like a penny and contained original art and music.
It had "enhanced" options but no one with taste used them.

It also has the shoddy nicalis translation you can't turn off.

The only actual problem with the original is that it runs at 50 FPS, all other versions run at 60 FPS. CS+ with the original translation patch is the ultimate CS experience.

>why is the art shit
A friend of a friend of mine was involved in making the art for this game. At the time, we were all peers and barely above amature tier artists. When I learned about it I lamented how terrible it would turn out and given the source material I had a mind to object but I just stayed quiet. Not like I could get them fired even if I wanted to, it was on Nicalis for being a crap dev.

>>The only actual problem with the original is that it runs at 50 FPS, all other versions run at 60 FPS. CS+ with the original translation patch is the ultimate CS experience.
Expect for the fact that the way Nicalis upped the framerate to 60 completely breaks the fucking physics and makes the game play like shit since the physics are timed to the framerate.

I'll be honest and say I haven't played the nicalis version in years but I believe pixel designed it to originally be 60 FPS but couldn't get it run properly. How did they fuck it up exactly?

Cave Story 3D is a fantastic game. Its just the worst version of a fantastic game.

No, most of Pixel's games run at 50 solely because that's just how he did it, especially his older games.
Cave Story in particular has the physics tied to the framerate, along with the timing of a lot of other shit (enemy patterns and movements, as an example) so when Nicalis upped it to 60 without bothering to adjust anything to compensate it just fucks with the original timings and ends up being a lot less fun since it plays somewhat off from how it was designed.

It doesn't break the physics. The game is slightly faster but that only really improves the game since the floatiness of the original version could make it feel a tad slow and in general easier.

Cave Story + is best for hard mode. And hard mode Cave Story is precisely why I love it. Its a completely fair game where every death is your fault.

>Cave Story + is best for hard mode
You mean the mode the game was absolutely NOT designed for and was just tossed in without any thought, not to mention the fucked physics making things absolutely bullshit?
You could have said Kero Blaster instead, which is designed with 2-heart runs in mind from the beginning rather than in being thrown in by some two-bit faggots who didn't even design the original game.

Keroblaster and Cave Story are both God-Tier

I could've sworn he has said the only reason it was 50 fps was performance inssues but I may be wrong.
Hard mode is bullshit. Normal is pretty east but it's still an enjoyable experience. Hard is imbalanced and complete bullshit. By the time you reach the sand zone 3 hp becomes absurd. They could've added at least like two health containers.

I love this artstyle.

True.

>Hard mode is bullshit
Yeah Im still stuck at Monster X, and Im going for the Spur

ambience, atmosphere, direction, production value, etc.

POST GOOD, GOD TIER CAVE STORY ART DAMNIT, That's the whole reason this thread was created.

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So it's not as satisfying to control? It's inputs aren't as responsible be? The sound effects aren't impactful?

Gamefeel is hated because it comes of as a vague buzzword

>Hard mode is bullshit and the game is not designed around it
>being bad at video games
Hard mode is the best way to play the game. Dying and learning from one's mistakes is fun.
You could already 3 heart run the original game. This just forces it and makes it easier to do. The higher speed also makes the game slightly harder, which is wonderful. Its still fair. You can avoid getting hit by every single attack in the game. At no point even in CS+ hard mode is the game unfair
Monster X is easy though
Just run to the far right destroying the bugs, jump onto the left side of Monster X right before you reach the edge, let it follow all the way to the left edge, shoot at it, and then run away from it back to the right while using the bubble gun to protect yourself. Repeat this process until the battle is over.

Fluidity, physics. But I can say gamefeel and youll know what I mean. Stop being so uptight

>he higher speed also makes the game slightly harder, which is wonderful
It makes it literally broken because it fucks with enemy timings you idiot.

>bubble gun
fuck that piece of trash
Im too far ahead anyway

Its pretty surprising how little good fan art it has.

>reminder that nicalis jewed pixel out of the rights to cave story and none of the money goes to him
Really? I'm pretty sure some of the money does go to him. Nicalis was a mistake, though.

even worse for Keroblasterfags

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Ok,but first

I dont see how gamefeel describes anything besides how you personally feel about a game.

Its a word that says nothing, and indie hipster devs love to use it. Like fucks sakes, if theres an aspect of a game thats negative, give details, be specific. I assume you're talking about how the jumps have different gravity, or that the animation timing and movement speed dont line up with the new sprites

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Plot hole considering Sue gives Toroko the locket, and then lets Quote keep it even though it a has her fucking brother's picture in it

I'll show you God tier

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I don't really understand what you're referring to; having played the game via its original release, plus on PC, and 3D on the 3DS, enemies don't seem to act any different. Things move a bit faster, but nothing acts in a way that they shouldn't. How is it broken, exactly? In what way are enemies not interacting appropriately with the player? And am I misunderstanding you when I claim the game is fair? I just don't understand at what point in the game is something taken out of player control.

>and none of the money goes to him
Stop spreading lies

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>Its a word that says nothing
It is vague, but it's meant to be an umbrella term for quick analysises anyways. If someone intends to go more in-depth they should definitely elaborate, but the idea of game feel itself is not at all bullshit.

>I assume you're talking about how the jumps have different gravity, or that the animation timing and movement speed dont line up with the new sprites
not the one who was originally complaining about it, but yeah, those would fall under it.

>anything nicalis claims
>canon
An an addition, Pixel did reveal that King ate boiled red flowers, which neutralized the whole "rage" thing.

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I hope little Kenpachi survived and got together with Sue in the end

fucking Santa got with Chaco, and he was an undeserving sissy

You guys are wrong. Not about it being shit though but it has a lot of exclusive content but nothing impressive. They added a corridor connecting the ruined first area(where you fight igor) to the outer wall. They added an under area to the outer wall which gets you a mask, and a few other minor rooms. They also added a shit ton of health upgrades making for no reason. I think they as ldo removed the fight with the sisters but I may be wrong.

Barely any, and doesn't legally own anything relating to Cave Story any more. He couldn't make a sequel if he wanted.
There's a reason why Pixel went with Playism instead of Nicalis for Kero Blaster, and why Nicalis keeps remaking CS and whoring it out in cameos to anything else they're involved with.

WAIT WAIT WHAT THE FUCK? it's actually 3D? or 2,5D at least?
I always thought it was just a port of plus. The music is the same for sure

>which neutralized the whole "rage" thing.
It neutralized the mutation aspect, King was still a hot head
Pixel also said Sue was NOT raped by Igor

what's with the sexy rabbit dogs

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You're moving goalposts and not providing sources for your claims. I got a source directly from the horse's mouth. Yes, Kero Blaster was handled by Playism, but at no point were we ever informed why.

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Its plus with 3D graphics.

Kill yourself.

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Or you could simply say "shit's floaty"

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No, stop using cuckwords like a faggot

>Barely any, and doesn't legally own anything relating to Cave Story any more
Proof? That sucks if true.

They're called Mimiga. You protect them.
Please play the game. You shouldn't be interested in character lewds without having interacted with the source material. You'd appreciate the characters more.

POST SUE LEWDS

then adapt to the new, faster timings?

You look it up for yourself, and also see it in how Pixel has almost no involvement with any of the remakes.

fuck you nigger
barely any exists

>make claim
>post source showing you're wrong
>alter claim
>someone asks for source
>"no find it yourself"

moonsong is actually pretty good on the wii version desu

>new faster timings
That weren't intended by the guy who designed the levels, bosses, physics, and enemies themselves.
They're objectively bad and broken. Not all of them are tied to framerate, either, so you have the additional problem of some of them being outright fucking mismatched.

Please answer my question with specific examples

>my favorite indie dev got FUCKED by the BIG BAD CORPORATE BOOGEYMAN, they just came into his home and STOLE ALL HIS MONEY like JEWS and he had NO SAY IN THE MATTER because he's FUCKING STUPID

Nigger this is what you sound like, you don't know shit fuck off

don't reply to him
these people will think of anything to shit on the remakes because it had such a cult following before the steam release
the only thing the remake did wrong was altering the dialog, no need to make up other BS

No, cave story is for pure. I fapped to curly years ago and feel bad. I can't fap to things I like, feels weird. I don't watch anime often so typically I just jerk it to weeb shit.

He directed Cave Story 3D.

And you can actually fix the dialogue too with a simple patch.
forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2262257

in my defense, Chaco was asking for it

How would i go about looking it up for myself?

And two points as to why your full of shit. First in the games at the bottom of the screen it says '© 2012 NICALIS / Studio Pixel' which implies at the very least Cave Story 3D and its remakes are jointly owned. And Pixel has been directly involed with all the remakes if you followed his or Nicalis's socal media during their development.


Second if he had no rights at all there is no way that Cave Story itself would still be free to download.