PS4Pro easily beats GTX 970

youtube.com/watch?v=Cncp-8mg3G8

>PS4Pro version is native 4k 98% of the time
>Holds 30fps at all times.

>GTX 970 & i5 cpu
>Always below 25fps

Well what have we here.

Can we put the underpowered thing to rest already?

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youtube.com/watch?v=auELAvhjXfg
pcpartpicker.com/list/q3My8K
youtube.com/watch?v=w4lDDd-yZL4
youtu.be/-qxsaQOSnGY?t=345
eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-shadow-of-mordor-face-off
youtube.com/watch?v=-qxsaQOSnGY
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

>ps4pro beats outdated hardware
congrats.

Does someone have the picture of kojima, cerny, reggie, dorito man and another dude from the game awards?

970? 1080 is standard and 1080 ti around the corner.

Besides you guys dont even have real mods.

>ps4pro beats hardware more than double the price

that's the actually thing to take away from this

A coupla hatas?

>believing anything that is ever said or shown before actual release

970 cost 800 bucks now? are you high?

>native 4k
retard

Again, the PS4 Pro does NOT do actual 4k, it does weird wanky HDR bullshit.

And none of that matters if you don't have a 4k TV; and a 4k TV that IS 60Hz goes for like, 800+.

970 is shit. 390 would win

no but a 970+that cpu+16gb of ram+a mobo+a powersupply+a hard drive definetely does.

>native 4K

Literally wrong. PS4Pro uses checkerboard rendering at 1440p in most games.

The 3.5 meme actually applies here.

PS4 Pro has substantially more VRAM to play around with here so it can perform better at higher resolutions

>And another dude
Its the Horizon dude

>PS4
>Native 4K
Silky smooth upscaled 1080p to 4K 24fps

The difference between the PS4 Pro owner and the GTX970 owner is that the latter can lower the graphics if the game runs like shit while the PS4 Pro owner is required to deal with 30fps because that's what his masters at Sony determined to be "enough".

it does high resolution + HDR.

there are a couple native 4k games but most games use sony's checkerboard thing which renders at 1800p and uses the checkerboard interlacing to bring it up to 4k. End result is not identical to 4k but it's really fucking close.

I own a pretty high end 4k tv and a pro. when I'm sitting on my couch and playing it looks indistinguishable from native 4K. But if I get up and stand 2-3 feet from the screen then I can see the weird artifacts that happen mostly around edges, where as native would really sharp.

but all that being said HDR is actually more impressive then the higher resolution to me and is the biggest advantage consoles have over PC right now. I'm sure in the next year or two HDR monitors will start getting made and PC games will start adding HDR support though.

It does actually run some titles in native 4K

That's because they're older titles and they usually run at 30 FPS

developers are the ones who decided they should run at 30, not sony.
Hardware is irrelevant, if the developers wanted to they could have knocked down the graphics and made it run at 60 on the base PS4. But graphics sell games and framerates don't so they will never do that.

>i5 cpu
So a PS4Pro (2016) is better than something from 2009?
Really makes me think

Not when you buy it bundled. Besides, a PC is a necessity, a console is a child's toy.

Who decides it doesn't matter. The point is that console games generally run like garbage and would be considered unplayable on PC.

This is probably true. Doesn't the 970 cap out at 1440p with maxed textures? I think 2160p is too much for it to handle.

And its also losing to hardware that costs less.

Its already released.
Watch the video
These are some of the most ignorant comments i have ever seen.
It does real native 4k in multiple games, some games just aren't optimized well enough to run it natively so they do checkerboard rendering etc, etc. but this game is most definetly native 4k as can be seen by doing a pixel count.

>Sony decides all games have to be 30fps instead of 60
The developer decides, not Sony.

For the price its actually insane.

Not a childs toy, a luxury item.

It doesn't cap out from a software perspective.

OP is bullshit b8ing to advertise his video.

Proof: youtube.com/watch?v=auELAvhjXfg

@ 0:50

Shadow of Mordor on PS4Pro uses dynamic resolution scaling while the Nvidia card in OP's video is rendering at true 4K at all times. It's not even comparable.

Nah PC hardware doesn't run as effeciently as console hardware so you would always have to exceed the price cost to get the same performance.
Even getting the paper specs to match the PS4Pro is a challenge for a PC if you want the price to be the same or lower.

thanks user

ok show me a $300 PC that can run this game at 4k/30

>1080p game upscaled to 4k runs better than a game running natively at 4k

Yeah man, the PS4 sure is impressive.

>but this game is most definetly native 4k

See:

BTFO

>It does real native 4k in multiple games
It may do so in a limited number of old games while running at almost unplayable fps rates, but it won't do so in any game that doesn't have crappy graphics.

And "optimisation" on a console does not mean actual optimisation in the sense of making the code run faster but trying to reduce graphical quality in a manner where it's not immediately apparent.

the native render is 1800p not 1080p, plus the checkerboard interlace

It is when the game holds native 4k 90% of the time on the pro's scaling

Y... You didn't put the image for the game, user.

shadow of mordor, the game this thread is about.

>It doesn't cap out from a software perspective.
It's reading at 4GB VRAM on the 970. Interesting considering SoM was the game that originally blew open the 3.5GB story, but either way that's going to cause issues.

/thread

Its pointless user. OP will bait dumb retards into buying the Pro like the shill he is. People don't fact check, especially average Joe.

>1080 is standard
screenshot of GPUz with your 1080

I have two 970s in a closet after I gave up on SLI.

Are they worth anything at all?

>Had to use the 970 to find something PS4 """""Pro""""" could beat

lmao over here bros

>1080 is standard
kek

Nope its running native 4k for 98% of the time. Only certain scenes will decrease the resolution to still be above 1800p but just maybe 90% that of native 4k.

source: my ass
you were proved wrong, fuck off

>It's not comparable when the PS4 Pro is running 4K in the same areas the 970 is struggling in and the fact the Pro is achieving the native 4K the majority of the time

I don't even own a PS4 Pro or even like Sony but that is pretty decent for a VRAM hog like Shadows of Mordor

And you all seem to neglect the fact that the 970 had a VRAM problem. A better test would be on a 1050 Ti or 1060

sell and buy a 1070

user, you seem to be missing the point. OP's video claims that the PS4Pro is more powerful than the Nvidia card, yet it's using a technique to achieve results that doesn't deliver a true 4K experience. Had the PC version of the game allowed dynamic scaling, it'd be a fair comparison.

See 1:25 of that video.

80-90% isn't fucking good enough. Its not 4K and OP is using this information to deceive others for consolewar b8 and views. Thats the problem.

Funny thing regarding all this native non-native shitposting from both sides:
I used to have a 970 with my old i5 and I could run any last-gen game maxed out at 4k and 60fps, even modern games like das3 could maintain 30fps maxed out.
If the pro's that great then surely devs could make shit run well enough without any need for checkerboard upscaling etc. And if/when they do and gpu's supposed to be equivalent to a 970 it's not much of a surprise, now is it?

Kek, OP BTFO

I wonder if that kind of checkerboard thingy could be implemented on PC too. Could be really nice.

>for a VRAM hog like Shadows of Mordor
It doesn't run the game on max settings m8, SoM is only a VRAM hog with the 6 GB ultra textures downloaded.

Of course a top of the line PC is going to beat the pro. no fucking shit.
the thing about the pro that is interesting is the power relative to the price.

you can build a better PC than the pro. you can't for $400 though

As long as jaggies are hard to see, I don't care that it's not true 4K

I'll be honest, this is the first screenshot of ffxv I've seen that doesn't look upscaled. Is it the pro's 1080p mode or something?

Source: the video

"Surprisingly we get a native 4K from the game pretty much everywhere you'll care to go"

Why the fuck does this surprise you? AMD cards take advantage of improved memory bandwidth so they can handle these higher resolutions. And the PS4 Pro has 8GB of shared memory to play with. I forget how much is allocated to VRAM but it's higher than what a 970 has in its totality

A 4ktv+ps4pro+1 year sub to ps+ will cost you 2000$.
What is your point?

>he doesn't have $1500 to build a PC for native 4k 60fps

Console plebs gonna pleb. Get a job, nigger

>you can't for $400 though
You can actually.
pcpartpicker.com/list/q3My8K
Also, the guy in the OP video is bullshitting.
youtube.com/watch?v=w4lDDd-yZL4
youtu.be/-qxsaQOSnGY?t=345

Most games don't run in 4K native @ 60 FPS even if you commit two fucking 1080s to them. You'll have to lower the settings of the game back a bit and then you might achieve it

>tfw have a beastly PC for pc games and a 4k tv + pro for sony exclusives/games with shit pc ports

get a job losers

>the power relative to the price
>power
It fucking preforms worse than the ps4 and will be outdated by the time the fucking Xbox Scorpio comes out.
Pic Related

Its "High" resolution setting, yes

Nvidia has their own version they're working on called temporal filtering. Watch Dogs 2 has upscaling and it has like a 40% boost to performance. Also Shadow Warrior 2 had an option to upscale the outer edges of the screen. Since when playing on a monitor the edges are in your peripheral vision you don't really notice the difference.

Really I don't get the autism around upscaling. For a TV it barely matters and this tech can be used for PC as well. 4k could be achievable even for poorfags.

He dialed the settings back and also he's not fighting a lot of orcs in the 4K mode

Going from ultra to high to get 60 fps is still better than getting 30 on medium on a console. Also if you're running native 4k, AA can be turned off completely

PS4 pro + 4k tv is like what 1200 dollars? You could easily build a comp with a 970 for that much

>Most games don't run in 4K native @ 60 FPS even if you commit two fucking 1080s to them
My single R9 Fury can run most modern games at 4k60 on high settings.
Aside from a few shit ports like Mafia 3.

The Pro is fucking expensive.
You have to pay for online every single month

Scorpio is outdated now, the R9 Fury is more powerful than the Scorpio GPU and it gets stomped by a 1080. Scorpio is going to be equivalent to a RX 480 clocked at 1250MHz, i.e. slower than a 1060 in most games.

Whoa whoa whoa (you) can't go around making misleading statements like that. Let's clarify a bit. What exactly do you mean with
>most games
Because "most games" will run @4K60 maxed out on far less than 1080s SLI'd, see for example.

If you're talking about shit like Crysis 3 or TW3 or the new Deus Ex, then yeah those games would require a pascal titan or SLI. But in that case don't go around using words like "most games".

>30 frames

I'm guessing only 10% of Sup Forums actually has a 1000 series card

A huge portion have 970s and an even bigger portion have budget AMDs

> tfw I only have a 960

Poor cuck faggot low test floppycock me BTFO.

>He dialed the settings back
Okay?
You know the PS4 Pro in 4k runs the game at the same settings as the PS4, right?
Which is to say, medium-high.
eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-shadow-of-mordor-face-off
>Compared to the PC version on ultra settings, the home consoles feature certain compromises. For starters, Xbox One uses the blurry medium setting for shadows, while the PS4 adopts the sharper high setting seen on PC.
>The maxed-out PC release allows mountains and castles to draw at full detail regardless of distance. Meanwhile, the PS4 and XO resort to the PC's medium setting for mesh detail of scenery, with level-of-detail (LOD) pop-in occurring at the precise same distance for each.
>The density of vegetation is higher on PS4, with Xbox One appearing sparser in certain areas. The PC's ultra setting trumps both consoles for environmental detail however.
>As it turns out, the PS4 and Xbox One come close in most metrics, but fall short in specific areas. For one, texture quality on both is equivalent to the PC's high setting, making for a contrast in mapping quality when planted next to the ultra-HD artwork pack.
>Order independent transparency makes the cut for consoles too, allowing certain elements - such as hair or fur - to blend with the game's lighting to reduce aliasing. Full cloth simulation is a match for PC too, and added to that, the consoles share its high lighting model setting, with god rays included in the deal.

Titanfall 2 is very well optimized though
AMD cards can handle higher resolutions better at the moment so you can get away with reduced settings running games in 4K

A 4ktv+pc will cost you over $5000
What is your point?

I'm curious now, we need a poll.

Well then it doesn't make sense because this is upscaled to 4k, not actual 4k.

>970

the ps4 has an rx 480 inside it which is a whole tier above the 970. a 1060 + i5 would be cheaper and a more fair comparison.

Who are those pedophiles

pc games with a tv

>Titanfall 2 is very well optimized though
No, it's just not optimized like shit.
Titanfall 2 runs on a pretty lacking engine and doesn't make use of a lot of modern rendering effects, hence why it runs well.
BF1 on the other hand, IS well-optimized.
And extremely so.

Regardless, here's another post from the thread.
pcpartpicker.com/list/q3My8K
And a video of the 470 in action
youtube.com/watch?v=-qxsaQOSnGY

Stop looking in a mirror

Currently a 970 owner and PS4 Pro owner. Is it about time to upgrade my 970?

I run Shadow of Mordor on i7+780Ti at 1440p ultra.

NOOOOOOOO SONY WOULDN'T FUCKING LIE

DELETE THIS NOW OR IM GOING TO EXPLODE!

>how to give away that you are tech illiterate
You never replace all parts at once.

>a luxury item.
>for children to play with.
An expensive toy is still just a toy.

Well yeah, getting ~90% of the image quality for half the cost seems to be a really good deal. Could bring 4K to masses on PC if it was available in everything.

4k monitors are not nearly as expensive as 4k tvs

I want to FUCK momokun.

OP absolutely annihilated

thank you based THICC poster

>Stop looking in a mirror

You either insult me right or just dont

Why does NeoGAF keep trying? Jesus Christ, this is embarrassing.

god damn that face is hideous but that body is amazing

>PC is a necessity
Yeah, I hate to fill Excel sheets on my 3DS too.