Good RTS games don't exis-

Good RTS games don't exis-

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Spellforce 3

Pretty much the only one keeping the genre afloat.

Why though? Weren't RTS games really popular back then? What changed?

>that building placement
lmao what a fucking shitter

Nothing changed. 90 percent of the RTS games that came out through the 90's and 2k's were complete shit, and only played now for nostalgic purposes. Blizz RTS and C&C games were the only games worth playing then and even today. Starcraft is miles ahead of them all.

>Weren't RTS games really popular back then?
I don't think their popularity has really changed. It's always been a niche genre. The difference is that back in the 90s, vidya magazine columns were dominated by actual nerds, and PC vidya was played only by actual nerds, so they got way more exposure and praise as a genre. But the actual number of fans hasn't changed much.

blizzard made sc2 and people didn't want to compete with this overhyped supergame

also command and conquer made some dumb changes and CoH2 sucked

also dota got way more popular than wc3 and then we got league of legends and the rest is history

I thought you were supposed to post a contradiction in the picture to the text you are posting for this meme to work.

>what is Total Annihilation

Fuckin' pleb.

3D graphics and terrible netplay

literal reason why brood war took off in korea is that it solved these issues

i think some people still play SupCom, TLO used to play it before the sc2 beta, but sc2 even in its dead state dwarfs them by far

the only significant rts to come out recently was gray goo, and it was just so much worse than sc2 it died within a month

Those are some nice plastic toys. When you've grown up you can play a real game for adults.

Thank god I don't have autism

LOL wtf? Shit graphics...

You fucking pleb shit

>age of kiting
>good
i think some malaysians play the original aoe and stream tourneys on twitch tho

I wish it didn't require really high APM to play older RTS games at a reasonably competitive level. I'm getting too old to click 400 times a minute.

>Good RTS games don't exis-

SC2 is a bad RTS and the games only got worse after Wings.

>Pretty much the only one keeping the genre afloat.

No, Blizzard admitted that they've given up on RTS.

The hope now lies on Dawn of War 3.

...

>Blizzard admitted that they've given up on RTS

Source?
Oh, right, you have none.

delete your post then kill yourself

REEEEEEEEEE

How do I stop myself from feeling angry and bad for losing? I'm shit at this game, why does my brain expect me to win from the start? I want to learn, to practice, but I can't handle those emotions.

>What changed?

Companies making them died out.
Now it's mostly just random indie nobodies who don't know the first thing about the genre or people with high dreams and low founds resulting in poor games.

From time to time, you have a real developer like Relic make something but that's a rare occurrence and only ever satisfies the Relic people while there's a billion other groups left waiting for a sequel/successor game.

>Starcraft 2 in mid tier
>Starcraft 64 in low tier

>cartoon elfin muslims

try SC1

OI WHERE IS MAJESTY

>Source?

Sorry, I don't exactly bookmark every single article, tweet or whatever that I read or watch.

If you don't want to believe me that's fine, I couldn't care less. Your ignorance is not my problem.

Red Alert 3 is low, sure, but Tiberium Wars are pretty cool because of modability.

you need that to play sc2 as well

>homeworld not at least high tier

are you retired

>sc2 mid
>hots high
>sc64 not in shit
>wc3 not in mid / "you never played it for the rts"

>Blizz tries to make protoss less of a deathballfest.
>They all quit playing.

Is it worth buying for the campaign? I want to see the long-awaited conclusion after all these years but I'm not sure, not after what Blizzard did with HotS.

>search for strategy games
>rainbow 6: siege
>CSGO

>Soulstorm in god tier
>Dark Crusade in mid tier

>SupCom: FA not at least in Mid Tier
>Starcraft 64 not in Shit Tier

What did he mean by this?

No, they actually managed to make it even worse than the previous games. Like 80% of the missions are "destroy these 4 buildings". The story is amusingly horrible though.

>Is it worth buying for the campaign? I want to see the long-awaited conclusion after all these years but I'm not sure, not after what Blizzard did with HotS.

It's fucking garbage. Both the missions and the story.
The only thing that's good is the voiceacting from John de Lancie (Q from Star Trek) as a super edgelord Protoss.

>soulstorm
>anything other than dogshit tier

Got it, thanks

The story is unbelievably bad, but I found the missions to be fun.

this
after WoL I just pirated the last two games, you'd have to be braindead to actual pay to play LotV

>Red Allert 2
>not God-tier
What the hell is wrong with you

not as many are made which make less people familiar with them which mean less are made with means less people are familiar with them....

That and companies found out that other types of games can hook players more easily. Like COD just constantly gives you shit to tell you how great you are.

And consoles,. while they are terrible for shooters RTS are even worse

>literal reason why brood war took off in korea is that it solved these issues
No it is because you could play with multiple people on 1 CD key when playing LAN. So all internet cafees could buy 1 copy and install it on all their computers and make only LAN available.

It was also really behind the times in graphics.
Restricted to 640x480, no physics calculations, no 3D, tiny maps, limited number of units,... perfect for the piece of junk PCs in said cafes.

pc bangs also pirated fucktons of copies so the CD key thing is negligible

The problem with RTS is that people grew tired of it. The entire genre is solved mostly because to really add new things would be too taxing for the average player now. And because of "esports" garbage which compromises game integrity with "viewing experience"

Shitcraft 2 was just a shit game at almost every concievable level but because it was big budget, nobody else wanted to bother making games anymore for the genre, except for indie devs that expect all of 5 people to play their games anyway

top selling games under the strategy tag

>God Tier
Brood War, Soulstorm and AoE2 were good.
Frozen Throne was okay.
I hate Company of Heroes.

Either way making every internet cafee a little SC1 pool works like those football fields in 3rd world countries. With nothing better to do you constantly compete and keep the game alive.

>I hate Company of Heroes.
yeah its a list made for people with taste. So dont be too surprised you disagree with it

Steam tags are such a joke.

i don't disagree

I found the story for the bulk of the campaign to be quite tolerable compared to HotS due to the absence of Kerrigan and because of a few great characters and moments. But the final epilogue missions, which for some reason are separated into their own mini-campaign, wrapped the whole mess up in a really hasty and disappointing way, even when I thought I'd set my expectations appropriately low after HotS.

As for the missions themselves, I enjoyed playing them despite the repetitive objectives. I couldn't recommend spending money on it with good conscience, but at the same time I'm glad I saw it to the end so I don't have any more disappointments to look forward to.

>Good RTS games don't exist

no one has ever said that.

>Myth 2
>Knights and Merchants
>RTS games
lolwut

RTS games have:
1. Base-building, resource gathering, unit production
2. Battle in real-time
3. Unit micromanagement
4. They are combat-focused

Games without #1 are called "real time tactical games" (Commandos, Myth 2)
Games without #2 are turn-based games (Advance Wars).
Games without #3 are real time strategy games (Paradox games).
Games without #4 are "sims" (Dungeon Keeper, KnM).

It's not really this hard.

>RTS games have

nothing because no one makes them anymore.

>RTS games have:
>3. Unit micromanagement
>Games without #3 are real time strategy games

SC1 looks better than SC2. Ever Warcraft 3 looks grittier than SC2.

>RTS games have 1, 2, 3, 4
>games without 3 are RTS

????

Total Annihilation still beats Starcraft 2 as an strategy game. It was ahead of its time and still beats the current crop of RTS shit today.

Warcraft 3, Starcraft 1 and 2 are not really strategy games. They are actually real-time tactics games.

>Nobody develops RTS anymore
>Say it doesn't sell
>Actually it's because there is nothing on the market to buy right now
>Claim it as proof that RTS doesn't sell anymore

>Games without #3 are real time strategy games (Paradox games).
you mean grand strategy faggot

Actually it was a common line in late 90s/early 00s, during golden RTS era.

People have been pointing out that:
1. AI in these games is retarded. For example - in CnC and RA AI couldn't handle "build wall around enemy base" tactic.
2. They are rather simplistic compared to more mature strategy games. Back then RTS games were treated like ASSFAGGOTS today.

Just fuck around by cheesing in low ranks. Then work on a specific build that you like. Then go from there

Also, just fuck around in 4v4s.

Maybe that will help you to stop taking it so seriously.

That's what I hate about ranked play in any game. It really makes you care about your rank far too much rather than about just having fun.

So try making a game within a game.

Like for an ASSFAGGOTS for instance. You could say, well, i'm going to play this unorthodox character that no one else really plays in Ranked and see how far I can get with it. Instead of playing whatever is top tier meta. Or come up with our own stupid builds.

Will Halo Wars 2 be good?

That's pretty much it. Kerrigan being anything except queen bitch of the universe was a tumor on SC2. It made Raynor's story just pining for his waifu, and made the epilogue nonsensical. Honestly, I wish the UED had stayed in control of the zerg. That could've been more interesting.

>Back then RTS games were treated like ASSFAGGOTS today.

I mean, they still should be.
The thing is those kids grew up and are now stuck up faggots of this thread while people who play good games don't give a shit any more and have a crap-ton of games to play both vidy and non-vidya.

Pot calls the kettle back.

Pretty much this PC Gamer used to be written by guys who had to toy around with settings and shit to get games to even start. And they accepted it was part of the process, up till Vista was a thing.

Nowadays? A person sees they have to install a .NET package and they have a fucking coronary.

PC Gaming drew in too many console kiddies with Alienware and shit. I was playing ARMA3 last night, and half the servers were 10 year olds trying to play like it was CoD.

My little brother loved Halo wars 1 so when the beta started (its over now) I got him to try it. He said it was good. But then again he wanted watchdogs 2 until I talked him out of it.

It looks nice, the videos make blowing shit up look pretty interesting, it has a budget for a well done campaign and its gameplay is mirroring an already proven game that came before it.

It's definitely going to be fun for a while.

And your imagination isn't his.
Atleast try to backup your false shit.

This is actually tricky one and I actually fucked up by calling them like it.

The problem is - there's no good counterpart for "strategy games, that have real time but aren't RTS games". We've got "grand strategy games" term but it doesn't cover everything.

This term doesn't cover everything.

CoH2 is not that bad really

Good threads don't exis-t.

Honestly looking back on it, WOL wasn't that fucking bad

The final missions were really good (especially the last Protoss mission ironcally) & the ending wrapped things up nicely

The expansions i felt were pretty mediocre & the ending with Kerrigan going SSJ was really bad

>Red Alert
>Red Alert 2
>mid tier

At least one of these should be high tier.

COH2 is terrible. Relic raped COH1 like a japanese soldier rapes a barren vietnamese rice farmers wife. Long after the moans and screams stopped the rape still happens. COH2 is the cold lifeless, sodomised body left

>Games without #4 are "sims" (Dungeon Keeper)

Although I would put DK in the "sims" category, I think you did it for the wrong reasons. IMO its the combination of lack of direct unit control and slower pacing. Its not as APM intensive as the other RTS are.

But even those criteria seem a bit out of place... Tiberian Sun also focused on base building a lot and was slow paced and its considered an RTS.

its shit

>Unironically using this meme
I thought school started back already. Are the holidays still going?

>enter thread about real time strategy games
>shit on the one person talking about strategy

Dawn of War 3 is already confirmed garbage.

Dude it's bullshit semantics made up for the sake of making shit up. Arguing or reasoning about it is a waste of time.

>Not making aesthetic bases

i'm pretty sure you do

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't really enjoy supcom.

>only got worse after Wings

are you dense? Wings was a mess upon release and Legacy has greatly, greatly improved upon Wings.

and HOTS was shit because muh broodlord infestor

Good bait

>Soulstorm above DC

Yeah, you're probably right.

Relic should've released the dow3 trailer 1 month before release to get everyone onto the hype train. It's amazing but the hype has worn out already

>age of kiting
>as if starcraft and cnc aren't based around the same exact strategies
Do you even micro bro?

Right now, after patches? Yes, it's valid.

Doesn't help that when a sequel/successor does come out it's trash. Supreme Commander and FA were brilliant, but Supreme Commander 2 was downsized trash and Total Annihilation was even worse.