How different would things be if the Nintendo PlayStation had actually been released?

How different would things be if the Nintendo PlayStation had actually been released?

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It would have been like the apple pippin. Sony would go back to making stereos and tvs. Nintendo will probably become a 3rd party due to losing too much money on it.

Sony would've probably swindled Nintendo on their IPs, contractual obligations forcing Nintendo to become more and more a Sony brand, and that's the worse case scenario.

The ''''best'''' case scenario would be that the Playstation would flop because CD-addons at that time were a death sentence for a console, hurting either Nintendo or Sony deeply, the loss of money probably hindering the development of the N64 and making Sony quit the video game market.

>Sony would go back to making stereos and tvs. Nintendo will probably become a 3rd party due to losing too much money on it.
...So who would make video games?

Well Don't would have never acquired PlayStation which is huge. Nintendo wouldn't be forced to rehash their same franchises for generations to come because developers would actually appreciate the hardware.

Nintendo and Sony were briefly partnered to release a SNES that could also read discs.

However in the contract, this would mean Nintendo gave up all their IPs and most of their proifits to Sony, and Nintendo backed out.

All sega CD added was CD quality music and choppy video. And you don't need to sound better when you sound like this:

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...Sony* would have never acquired PlayStation...

With both Sony and Nintendo out of the console manufacturing business, all third party devs now solely make games on the one viable console platform.

a terrible timeline, the same where hilary won

Panasonic and their M2. Fun fact: Metal Gear Solid was almost made for this thing.

>Nintendo wouldn't be forced to rehash their same franchises for generations to come because developers would actually appreciate the hardware.
You understand that developers didn't wind up leaving nintendo for hardware reasons, but also because nintendo was a colossal dick to deal with, right?

Ask Squaresoft in the 90s how fun nintendo was to deal with.

>Le Sony wanted to steal Nintendo IPs meme

When will people stop being misinformed?

There was greed involved on both sides, but it did not come down to Sony wanted to steal Mario.

>le Sony did nothing wrong meme
If all you want from a company is to make a fucking CD add-on and not worry about 300 legal process involving profit, IPs and distribution negotiations it's not a good deal to fucking begin with.

It wasn't just making a CD add on, it was a development partnership.

The problem was that nintendo wanted the lions share of everything from the development partnership and sony wasn't okay with doing the lion's share of the work for a fraction of the benefits.

Literally just said there was greed on both sides you dumb nigger.

The contract breaking off was due to royalties and publishing rights on anything released using the CD format. Sony wanted a piece of those royalities after developing the hardware, Nintendo disagreed.

Nintendo's IPs were in never in any threat despite what your dad told you.

Now that is interesting. I wonder if the M2 would've made a dent in the gaming market if it had MGS?

>Implying a new challenge wouldn't arrive.
SeeKonami was already supporting it before its launch.

if the problem was greed on both sides then it's obviously all on Sony, what is a company like Nintendo supposed to do? let them fuck them in the ass? They asked for it in the first place.

splitting royalties and publishing rights between companies is obviously gonna fuck the IPs up because here's a shocker they need money

What you're arguing for is the equivalent of Communism or Socialism in the video game industry.

Well that's the thing, why would they want to get royalties off the IPs if the only thing they co-developed was the hardware? Sony didn't even have a big videogame production company, what the fuck are they gonna co-produce with Nintendo?

Konami already made quite a few M2-based arcade games with the intention of porting them to Panasonic's 64-bit console. They never got ported to the home market as a result and none of them are even emulated by MAME.
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Panasonic and Microsoft.

Considering it's mostly just a SNES with a disc drive. Not very.

It'd be pretty shit and probably similar to Sega CD
The SNES architecture is really obtuse and annoying to work with. Enhancement chips don't do much about it either

we are living in the worst timeline

Are you both retarded? The IPs were not part of any deals. If a game was developed and published on the CD format, Sony wanted royalties for that. They weren't asking for Mario to become a Sony property. Nintendo didn't want to give them jack shit.

Instead of any negotiation going on, Nintendo just said fuck it and went straight to their competitor.

Now they're getting fucked in the ass because they pissed Sony off.

>If a game was developed and published on the CD format, Sony wanted royalties for that.
That's the fucking point you retard, especially if considering this was the early 90's and NO ONE was being successful with this CD bullshit. how fucking awful would've been to have your games on a CD not sell at all because people don't own the CD add-on AND having to share profits with Sony just because they made the fucking thing years ago?

Ain't it great that the Playstation was great? Surely having created CDs didn't have anything to do with it.

>Now they're getting fucked in the ass because they pissed Sony off.
Oh sorry, you really are retarded

There's no point to developing a platform like that if you aren't going to make any royalties off the software.

That's where all the money was.

At that point it's entirely pointless to make a platform for someone else when you could just have it for yourself.

Nintendo up until the Gamecube avoided paying royalties to other people, this deal probably involved more than normal royalties from just being Nintendo games on a CD because since then Nintendo sticked with Carts and Mini DVDs on Gamecube.

it wasnt just that. the worst part was sony wanted nintendo to pay sony royalties to develop on it, like they were a 3rd party. nintendo HAD to back out under those conditions because agreeing to it would have killed the company

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The better question is:
How different would things be if the Sega PlayStation had actually been released?

>Nintendo up until the Gamecube avoided paying royalties to other people

They still do everything they can to avoid paying royalties.

That's why their shit doesn't have any form of DVD playback. Can't pay the license if you don't support that shit.

>nintendo HAD to back out under those conditions because agreeing to it would have killed the company

No they fucking wouldn't

The sega playstation thing was so sad.

Sega came to them so late that the playstation was already done and games were in development.

It's impossible to say because the environment of game consoles in the market was evolving throughout the 90's and it's hard to imagine the path that gaming takes without the Playstation. Sega may have been more successful, because if this thing actually happened, Nintendo would also have been pushing a mid-gen CD-addon console. On the other hand, it could have failed just as easily as the Sega CD did.

Assuming no other changes in the way history progressed, I would honestly not expect this to be successful, because based on what we know it was going to be relatively expensive and not offer much in the way of improvement.

I'm pretty sure that unlike the possibility of there being alternate timelines where different things happened, the timeline where the Nintendo Playstation happened just doesn't exist because things would've been SO different had it happened.

>That's the fucking point you retard, especially if considering this was the early 90's and NO ONE was being successful with this CD bullshit. how fucking awful would've been to have your games on a CD not sell at all because people don't own the CD add-on AND having to share profits with Sony just because they made the fucking thing years ago?

What are you trying to fucking argue here? Sony and Nintendo entered into a partnership. Sony wanted some of the profit for the work they're putting into it. Nintendo didn't want to share shit.

You pretty much just repeated that right there.

Nintendo didn't think it was a good deal because it didn't heavily favor them so they broke it off. And that's more than fine, but don't try to victimize Nintendo and make it seem like what they wanted was more than fair and justified.

>Oh sorry, you really are retarded

Yeah, I forgot how much the Wii U curb stomped the competition.

Or how the PS2 is still the highest selling console platform.

Saturn would have done a lot better since Nintendo and Sega would have competed with each other more directly like before. Microsoft would have still likely wanted to get into developing consoles. Sega would eventually have fucked up somewhere since they were insanely incompetent. Probably likely that Nintendo and Sega would have decided to merge at some point to survive against Microsoft's onslaught. If not then I'm going to guess that only Nintendo and Microsoft would be around today with Sega at least not having been shamed as badly as they have. People would also have far more nostalgia today for Sega then they do now.

I didn't know that. I don't know much about the M2 but from the link it said under system specs that it was made by 3DO. I remember seeing a 3DO console for sale and it was very expensive.

yeah, spending a bunch of money on R&D and getting nothing back on the investment AND having to pay royalties to develop on your own system like a 3rd party isn't a financial black hole.

they might not have died, but they wouldnt have been in a way worse position now, even considering the PS1 and 2 stomping them into the ground. hell, sony probably still would have made their own console afterwards.

Imagine a dual screen psp with touch and the library of games of both ds and psp. I hate this timeline

What if the Sega Saturn went with Silicon Graphics instead of going to the N64?

>play Bloodborne and Mario Games on the Playstation U

wait, wasn't the story that sega of america nd sony were getting in touch after the nintendo-Sonmy breakup but sega of japan shot them down?

it would have been shit. competition is what made both devices better than they would have been without.

>but don't try to victimize Nintendo and make it seem like what they wanted was more than fair and justified.

Nintendo is most definately not the underdog of this fight, but neither will I defend giving Sony huge amounts of credit for making a CD addon that you weren't even sure if people were gonna buy.

>Yeah, I forgot how much the Wii U curb stomped the competition.
>Or how the PS2 is still the highest selling console platform.
wow you really told me, not like Nintendo was fucking stupid or anything, nevermind that the DS and Wii had a higher selling ratio than the PS2 who stayed 12 years on the market while the Wii and DS just 6 and barely lost to it.

>N64 hardware + CD drive + Sega's IPs
Shit, what would that leave Nintendo with?

sega would be in the market of portables too

It's actually both.

The sega board of director's denied the idea after the talks the sega execs had with sony, but sony was likely not sincere since it came so late in their own system development.

Sony was quite probably fucking with them, as they had some worry that sega's next system would be more of a competitor than nintendo's due to some folks at sega having more successfully identified the merits of optical media.

>Nintendo is most definately not the underdog of this fight, but neither will I defend giving Sony huge amounts

Literally at no point did I say Sony was a victim either. I said they were both greedy shits. Sony certainly didn't deserve full publishing rights on all titles, and the amount on royalties was most likely too high, but they sure as fuck didn't deserve zilch either. A compromised could have been made instead of going behind their back and making a deal with someone else.

>wow you really told me

Move that goalpost some more. Sony wouldn't even be a blip on the radar if the partnership wouldn't have collapsed.

Then why the fuck are you getting worked up in the first place? If you don't know how business works then don't try to imagine a world where a better deal would've taken place to mutually benefit both companies because if this shit didn't happen then it's because it's not possible.

>Move that goalpost some more
Kid, you started it.

>Now they're getting fucked in the ass because they pissed Sony off.

Fucked in the ass? Sony loses money on every PS4 sold. Whereas Jewtendo are such fucking Jews that they profit from everything they sell because they overcharge everyone for their cheap plastic toys.

As crazy as it sounds, Nintendo is richer than the whole Sony corporation. Sony is a joke, they're losing to a fucking toy maker.

Imagine if the Infinium Phantom was real. 360 power with a library of online games, ahead of its time.

>downloading 5+gigabyte games
>in fucking 2000
this would have flopped harder than the OUYA

Nintendo would still be making games. Just not consoles.

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Panasonic made a few models of the original 3DO console, but the technology was not originally theirs. It was licensed to them by The 3DO Company, which was founded by Trip Hawkins, the same man who formed Electronic Arts. The idea was to create a video game console that could be manufactured by any company, just like VHS and CD players, under license (hence why it had such an expensive launch price). But when the original 3DO failed to take off, they sold the technology of the M2 to Panasonic and they almost launch the thing in '97, but they decided against at the last minute due to how crowded the console market became at that point.

The M2 was almost as powerful as a Dreamcast and even had the original version of D2 made for it.

>The M2 was almost as powerful as a Dreamcast and even had the original version of D2 made for it.

D2?

A cult Dreamcast game by the late Kenji Eno.

Okay. I thought you were just abbreviating the title of some other game to just one letter and a number.

>Downloading games onto a console
>in fucking 2000
its problem is that it would stupidly expensive. like 2000 dollars

>Then why the fuck are you getting worked up in the first place?

All I said was that people need to stop being misinformed on the subject and believing that Sony was trying to steal Nintendo's IPs. I claimed that they were both greedy cunts.

You came at me with an autistic rant on how Nintendo was more than justified with their decision.

>Kid, you started it.

>Call me retarded because I made claim that's perfectly valid
>Y-YOU STARTED IT!

This isn't going anywhere. Have a nice day bro. I'm sure you got some vidya to play.

Sony would have its dick in Nintendo's pie.

On the other hand, imagine a world where you can play Until Dawn on 3DS but Vita or higher specs.

it would have been a minor failure sony would have exited the games market and microsoft would have never even tried other competitors would have sprang up one or two would have caught on and we would still have the switch releasing in a few months

>staggering level of detail
>the D
Oh boy!

Imagine being able to play Afterburner or Star Wars Arcade on one of these bad boys. The 80s would've been so much better.

>I claimed that they were both greedy cunts.
>companies are greedy cunts
>call me autistic
Yeah right. Like I care about people being misinformed about something as trivial as videogames.