>Regarding how Princess Zelda is portrayed in the trailer, obviously everyone has their own ideas of exactly how they would expect a female character to act or behave. What I would particularly like to emphasise is that the scene of her crying in the trailer is just one scene from the game - within the trailer itself it forms a dramatic high point, but that shouldn't be taken too much out of context
>Princess Zelda as she appears in the game as a whole is very complex and multi-faceted, and it's not as if she's crying all the time in the game [laughs], so I would ask fans not to read too much into just that one scene from the trailer, and to please play the game and appreciate Zelda as she is in all her aspects
I can't believe Nintendo is trying to calm down those shitheads
>try to effectively characterize a major character in a game >REEEEEEEEEEE SJW'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why vidya companies ignore your petulant screams.
Cooper Torres
telling them they are knee-jerking to an incorrect conclusion is "surrendering" to them?
Jaxon Davis
That was basically just a nice way of saying, "Please don't judge our character from one scene in a trailer you brain dead cunts".
Easton Williams
>Zelda >the sovereign of the kingdom >spent her whole life to rebuilt it and keep the peace >all of her work is undone in a couple of days A normal person would do what she did and have a mental breakdown. However, I doubt that the people protesting against this have even left college.
Ryder Walker
I never saw anyone bothered about that scene and I follow nearly 1000 blogs The only time I've seen people pitch a fit about it was on here.
Andrew Baker
I bet you were the one who made that 'they censored zelda's cry' thread a little while ago.
Lucas Jenkins
Reminder
Aonuma now lives in USA, along with Miyamoto
Zelda is a NOJ game, he decides nothing
Christian Mitchell
The fuck are you talking about? The interviewer just pointed out that some people liked her crying scene and others complained about it, and Aonuma said it wasn't a big deal. He didn't submit to anyone and not even the interviewer was necessarily calling it an issue.
William Flores
Same, I tried to check for silly outrage anywhere but the usual places are just filled with hype.
Isaiah Ward
Literally nothing wrong with that statement, they are just telling the retards to shut the fuck up and play the game before jumping to conclusions, surrendering would be actually removing the scenes where she cries or something.
Christopher Reyes
Oh, shut the fuck up. Do you not realize that game devs don't give a shit about the SJWs? They made a character have more personality. I'm 99% certain Sup Forums would hate Wind Waker if it were released today just because they gave Zelda dark skin a masculine personality in that game.
John Reed
This is the least intelligent OP I've seen all day so far and that's saying something
Logan Long
>>This is why vidya companies ignore your petulant screams. They're clearly not ignoring 'petulant screams' if op literally just posted them directly reassuring sjws who went to twitter to whine that Zelda had emotions and real women shouldnt have any emotion besides "self righteous selfish bitch" like them
Jeremiah Ross
There shouldn't have been a statement in the first place. Developers need to stop responding to these fucking morons.
Liam Butler
>spent her whole life to rebuilt it and keep the peace >all of her work is undone in a couple of days
So where do you guys got all these infos from? I seem to have missed something
Nathan Gray
>girls aren't allowed to cry, that's sexist 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Isaac Ward
I mean vidya companies listen to normal people (SJW's included) and ignore you meme spouting goober gators.
Jaxson Williams
>Aonuma surrenders to SJWs >Aonuma politely tells retards to stfu and not complain about what they don't understand
Wyatt Hill
>SJWs >normal
So attention whoring is completely normal, which means the attention whores on Sup Forums are also normal.
Julian Sanders
FREAKING DUMBASS REPORTER
>reaction seems split on her crying during the trailer, with some saying it demonstrates a lack of strength, others saying it's good she's showing emotion. I wondered what your take on that was.
NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT YOU LITERALLY IMBECILE. YOU HAD ONE JOB TO TELL HIM HOW WE'RE ANGRY ABOUT HER SHIT DUBBING AND YOU FAILED.
Jose Nguyen
But in the past zelda games zelda has always been an underdeveloped one dimensional character. What's wrong with giving her something to do other than crying?
The only thing more annoying than SJWs are people who blame SJWs for everything desu.
Juan Morales
Who the fuck cares as long as the game is good and the character is well written?
Gavin Ross
Sensitive right wing crybabies.
Henry Martinez
Why would they move to America when they know very little english?
Luke Cruz
stop trying to classify sjw's as normies. Most normies find them just as repulsive as they find Sup Forums
Isaiah Sanders
I literally haven't seen a single person complain about the way Zelda was portrayed in the trailer outside of people on Sup Forums assuming that people were going to complain. Most people I've seen think she looks beautiful and has a great design.
Ian King
Baby, are you a movie theater? because this is the biggest projection i've seen in my entire life
Jose Barnes
Zelda is the least niche Jap game behind Mario.
Nicholas Gonzalez
>that very attractive fish
Christopher Flores
>Most normies find them just as repulsive as they find Sup Forums
Clearly they find them normal as they're frequently given media exposure and are rarely painted in a negative light.
Henry Reyes
Aonuma most likely doesn't have any power on the English dub anyway.
Easton Long
>The only thing more annoying than SJWs are people who blame SJWs for everything desu. Nah, SJWs are still the worst, but dumb meme posters like you are quickly making "people who complain about people who complain about SJWs" a very close second.
Brayden Davis
It's a legitimate complaint. In every version of the game but ours she cries. But in the English she stubs her toe.
Joshua Cruz
It's because for NOA the Treehouse is providing the dub.
Nathaniel Morris
>nintendo decides to go full ghibli >from aesthetics to even lifting the opening scene of Princess Mononoke in the first trailer we ever got of the fucking game
>hears there's a portion of westerners who want more proactive female characters
Apart from Spirit Tracks and the first part of Wind Waker, Zelda was pretty useless so this is actually a welcome change. Here's the thing though:
They're aping Ghibli so hard that we're probably going to end up getting a Ghibli Heroine, which is NOT A BAD THING. The only thing wrong with Naussica, San, Chihiro, and Miyazaki's (who is a feminist) characters is that they're too often mouthpieces for his PETA-with-Balls opinions.
A ghibli heroine can cry while still being strong, and most importantly, they don't fall into the traps of SJW characters, which come across as genderbent "showoffy insecure males" instead of any actual strength.
There is literally nothing wrong with this you fags.
The way you beat SJWs is not by throwing progressivism out, but by doing it better than they are doing. Get more Ellen Ripleys and Princess Leias written. Jesus, I've even heard older feminists complaining about modern girls (and guys too desu) not being raised with that right balance of balls and humility that progressives used to by & large advocate for.
We will wait until game comes out to determine if she's a wallflower or a Ripley.
Half the reason I like the JP actress more, despite how much more she sounds out of breath in her other lines, is that when she cries, it sounds exactly like somebody breaking down, not in hopelessness, but from the shock of all hope being sucked from her at once. Its some real shit.
Dominic Howard
She won't be as badass as she was in WW most likely, though.
Jacob Lewis
Its allways the goddamn voice directors not giving a shit.
You can notice this with Atlus Dubs. There will be like 3 characters where they actually fucking tried hard and they get good (ie not fake sounding) emotion out of them. Then the rest of them read off a script.
IMO, if you're dubbing, you need to start fucking early and have access to cutscene scripting and animation.
JP actress (and non english ones) are also good because its better synced to the timing of the scene instead of strict ADR.
Jason Clark
I loved me some Tetra but all that delicious spunk disappeared after she gets bleached.
I love the game, but it blows cock after tower of the gods so hard it even removes Tetra's character apart from a wink during the final boss.
James Sullivan
>IMO, if you're dubbing, you need to start fucking early and have access to cutscene scripting and animation
Japanese games aren't like this most of the time. VA's are given the script only and are supposed to work off that.
Chase Lewis
Yeah definitely. Based off of one short trailer she definitely won't be badass at all.
Promptly kill yourself.
Nathan Harris
OP is a faggot
Kayden Harris
>implying I'm from an English-speaking country Enjoy your shit dub.
Leo Anderson
>Princess Zelda as she appears in the game as a whole is very complex and multi-faceted >multi-faceted
That's his way of saying she gets corrupted by Ganon and she's the final boss.
Justin Collins
will we be able to fug the fish?
Henry Johnson
But we opening listen to the other end of the spectrum who are also autistically screeching?
Alexander Ortiz
WOMAN ARE ALLOWED TO CRY. WHY IS THAT SEEN AS OFFENSIVE?
Carson Perez
Zelda is the oldest tale in human history, there is nothing to fucking explain or coddle. Fucking hell.
Leo Kelly
nobody gets too far like that
Jacob Peterson
>Zelda is actually weaker than ever >THE SJW WON This has to be a false flag. Someone check's wu's twitter to see if he reblogged this thread.
Luke Sanchez
>if she doesn't scream like a banshee she's not crying
Kill yourself autist
Ryan Stewart
Are sjw autistic? Do they not understand female emotion can me more thatn a fistressed damsel?
I can't care about this stupid shit anymore. Everything is a SJW. I'm SJW, you're SJW. The video game industry as a whole is all SJW, right? Developers do a thing you don't like, they're SJWs. People you don't agree with are SJWs.
I will say this. SJWs and you, OP, are the same. You get outraged, albeit on different topics, but the resemblance is amazing. Your whining is annoying, your threads are annoying, you as a person are annoying. Fuck you.
Cameron Lewis
Because...you want all females to just cry all the time?
What is it you want user? Or do you really just hate women?
Aaron Cox
It's called drumming up fake controversies for that sweet ad money, internet """"""""""""""""journalism""""""""""""""""" 101.
Owen Roberts
Because Japan is a fucking awful place to live.
Hudson Lewis
>Complex fuck this word
Anyway, I'd don't really see what he said as pandering. He's saying don't judge the game on just one scene.
Blake Edwards
To be honest I thought Atlus dubs were fine up until they started replacing all the old P4 voices with new, terrible modern VAs who either totally overact (new Teddie, new Chie) or just read the script so generically it hurts (new Kanji, new Naoto, new Rise)
Andrew Foster
>character who typically appears in extreme brief periods throughout past games >maybe will have more screentime now >WAHH
Also its clear she fucked up something 100 years ago. I hope she tried to be the hero but failed
Josiah Lewis
>end of the game >Ganon is cornered >Zelda: "Why did you do it!?" >Ganon: "It's... difficult to boil down the reason to one word."
Connor King
I liked it. I'd say it's the second best country I've lived in.
Justin Bennett
What's wrong with complex? It's a useful word.
Ayden Walker
What's the full list?
Elijah Cox
Complex can accurately describe situations. So, it's not a bad word in the right context. Though, I do agree with you user. Their usage of the word complex is nebulous and with out meaning.
Juan Sanchez
You guys should play the game that user's pic related is from to understand why he said that.
Ethan Murphy
This DESU
Her whole kingdom is straight GONE and perhaps some dickery is occurring with the tri-force, only rumors however
William Young
The only good post in this thread
Lincoln Anderson
Sure, right after I'm finished playing through my backlog.
Evan Gonzalez
>oh no my whole family and kingdom was slaughtered and my soul has been ripped in two
>better just let out a small sniffle
Kill yourself autist, so we can see your family sniffle.
Alexander James
What is it? Zero time dilema? I still haven't played the other 2 zero escape games.
Grayson Moore
all I can remember of my last ex is her crying all the time
Asher Rivera
Because Nintendo never makes male characters cry.
Dominic Lewis
No! Don't! You're going to invite spoilerfags!
Jaxon Hughes
Yes. "Complex" is a meme tied to the villain's use of the word to avoid clearly explaining their motivations.
John White
Nintendo is already full SJW. This shouldn't surprise you.
Bentley Reed
Thats the thing.
There should only be two options really.
Do a literal but smoothed out translation for subs to play with JP audio.
Or go full Woolsey if you're translating for a dub. If you're dubbing, you're already losing accuracy. So make it accurate to a reasonable degree and unless your game is so japanese that poking niggas up the ass with two fingers as a joke occurs every game session, then localize things enough that a BELIEVABLE performance can be coaxed from the voice actors.
I'm not talking "eat your hamburgers apollo" shit, but use the fact that you can rescript dialog in games to make things work in english.
TLDR, if you're dubbing Persona. Make it sound like I'm in a room full of cartoon teenagers, not locked in the room with a ton of anime-club weeaboos.
I only recently tried Persona, starting with 3. Only believable performances were DaMan, Yukari, Mitsuru, and LiamOBrian.
The problem with Atlas has been they do a decent translation, decent Woolseyisms. But they leave honorifics in to pander to anime-club tier weebs and then only spend the time to get a few actors to sound decent, while the rest just sound like shit.
Then they don't even make JP audio an option if you want to tune it all out.
Daniel Bennett
Why does she have two eyebrows?
Carson Lee
>the character isn't just crying, stop being a bunch of faggots and assuming that all the character is going to do is cry and be useless the whole game >this is somehow considered to be buckling to SJWs I don't fucking understand this board sometimes. English dub still a shit, Latin and Russian dubs a best
Henry Evans
>It's a "sperglord replies to every post" post
Elijah Torres
>Guy literally makes SJWs cry over a women crying in a game >proceeds to explain that out of context she might seem weak but she's more complex in the game >anti SJWs complain he isn't pissing off SJWs enough even though they are still angry.
Why aren't you complaining about the plethora of actually SJW devs.
Also, I just want to play fucking video games
John Sullivan
No, that's just the shadow from right above her eyelid.
James Miller
1. USA 2. Japan 3. Switzerland 4. Canada 5. Australia
Wyatt Smith
>implying censortendo hasn't been doing this ever since Iwata was kill Where the fuck have you been?
Ayden Lopez
>if she doesn't scream like a banshee she's not crying still a valid point retard
Jace Murphy
Atlus very openly explained that they did not do dual-audio because they had pride in their localizations. They left the honorifics in because they thought that would help make it feel more authentically Japanese, which I thought the VAs handled pretty well. A lot of Persona dub complaints got exaggerated imo. It was fine.
P4 was good too, but then they started replacing folks and the newer VA generation were fucking lazy or just blatantly untalented (new Chie is so fucking bad, jesus christ, and who among them seriously said "yeah ashly burch is a good replacement for Laura Bailey")
Brandon Kelly
>Atlus very openly explained that they did not do dual-audio because they had pride in their localizations. And look how P5 went.
Levi Ortiz
I agree with you, but try to remember that you're talking to Sup Forums. This place is mostly 17 year olds who are angry at all girls because Stacy only likes jocks and if they could just get a chance they know they could treat her better but it's NOT FAIR.
Ayden Lee
Feminist SJWs (real ones, not the OP's imagination) have a hard time coming up with a defense of female hysterics
There was a rebbit megathread asking them why women always cry/scream at stupid shit like bugs, spiders, barely-scary movies. Half of them blamed the patriarchy for brainwashing women to be weak and scream-y, the other half tried mocking men for being emotionless and silent and not screeching at signs of danger
Jack Harris
>Why aren't you complaining about the plethora of actually SJW devs. We have a Stillborn thread and there is no new Andromeda trailer to shit on Bioware, EA and it's fags.
Lincoln Watson
>Atlus very openly explained that they did not do dual-audio because they had pride in their localizations.
This is a terrible reason. I'm glad they finally gave-in with Persona 5 because from what I'm hearing in those english clips the dub is awful.
Robert Cooper
>implying every other dub besides english is screaming like a banshee No. youtu.be/CMFf59v6ml0?t=4m26s Literally every single other dub does a better job.
Tyler Cooper
That is why I said, they were good, up until their more recent stuff which is getting worse and worse
Justin Clark
>if she doesn't scream like a banshee she's not crying yet again
Daniel Gonzalez
>gets kidnapped three times >"badass"
Jordan Wood
Persona 3 and 4 came out on the fucking PS2. It's been, what, a decade since then? Of course shit has changed since then. Most companies have gotten worse in the last few years.
Caleb Rivera
>[laughs] best part of japanese interviews
Noah Martin
Maybe we'll finally get a female protag in 8 years ;)
Jason Thompson
>Aonuma surrenders to SJWs don't bring your clickbait shit to Sup Forums you fucking cancerous shitposter
Isaac Williams
People don't react to things in the same way, you can feel so overwhelmed that you don't even have the energy to scream your head off.