An edgy jesterman who makes shitty puns and acts CRAZY like Suicide Squad Joker

>An edgy jesterman who makes shitty puns and acts CRAZY like Suicide Squad Joker

Why do people consider this retard a good villain?

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because he wins

Literally me

Because he's a canon transvestite

Because becoming the source of all magic should have made him absorb any spells cast at him just like the statues did so only physical attacks could harm him and then he can use vanish to become invincible.

They literally had to make a contradiction to tone him down in the story just to make it even possible to defeat him.

Because he's just legit crazy from magitek enhancements (?)

Help me understand the line here: what makes a good "just cuz" villain? Does a villain always need a deep, dark, edgy past to be a villain or is a there ever a good way to have a "just cuz" type villain? Or is "just cuz" simply seen as lazy, no ifs, ands, or buts?

KEK.

Ok, it's funny the first time.

damn... we shouldn't have killed him then.

Getting killed before you can acheive your goals counts as winning?

"Life... dreams... hope... Where do they come from? And where do they go...? Such meaningless things... I'll destroy them all!"

Wicked sense of humor

Kuja was better

Look, i don't want to sound like i'm saying that you're a pretentious fuck that appreciates shit characters that others don't because you can actually see what makes them original.

He destroyed the world and became a god.

As far as villains go he's pretty successful.

The only villains who won are the Joker and angry Purple Man.
Really makes you think.

>Yu Yevon
>Won a world war by turning himself into a parasite controlling a giant death whale
>Only thing that could stop him was something he could hijack and turn into another death whale
>Got away with it for over a thousand years, brought the entire world to it's knees for shits and giggles

Come on now, he won fair and square.

>Inexplicably alive again as of the dumbfuck 2.5 short story thing

Because you are sick.
You have the gays.

Fair enough.
>2.5
That shit gets me more triggered than I'm proud to admit.
The way Tidus dies makes me laugh my ass off all the time though.

literally him

>puns

I don't remember any puns. You must have played the shit tier SNES translation. Play it in Japanese or dont bother.

I'm surprised no one drew Kefka doing this pose.

>Tina

How come you Terra faggots don't get triggered over the name Edgar?

That's like the most boring white guy name ever.

Because over the course of the game, not in flashback, we see him

-Weaponize the main character and take away her free will.
-Attempt to track her down and sets fire to a castle filled with people when the people he suspects of hiding her don't comply.
-Poison a castle's water supply, killing most everyone inside.
-Attack a town to get at a frozen monster that teaches magic.
-Drains two more of these monsters of their life force, killing them and then throwing them down the trash chute
-Convinces one of the party members who was developing a romance with a very likable party member to betray them and come with him
-Attacks the home of the magic teaching monsters and kills them indiscriminately
-Purposefully rearranges a trio of all powerful statues, knowing it will destroy the world.
-Hits a woman, on-screen, in an SNES game from 1993
-Becomes all powerful then murders a practically defenseless old man just because he can.
-Rules from a big scary tower in the middle of the world and uses a giant fricking lazer beam to annihilate entire villages if they displease him or just because.
-His actions unleash a bunch of terrifying primordial monsters from the before times like Doomgaze and Phunbaba
-Lets brainwashed monsters worship him like a God

As a ruler Kefka was terrifying because he ruled without purpose. He had no interest in gaining more power or pursuing any type of hedonistic pleasures. He just wanted to rule over a world of people who were terrified to go outside, where plants and animals were dying, because that's what he liked. Seeing people suffering.

As far as Final Fantasy villains go we got to see him do the largest number of evil things and he had a depth of hate/nihilism that we hadn't seen from many villains before or since.

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Except he only acts like a retarded comic relief character outside of the game he's actually from. His puns/one liners in VI were nothing unusual compared to even the other characters in the game. He's well received because he was unique at the time and really well executed.

Sup Forums is populated with manchildrens and actual underage. No wonder why the edgy why so serious ? xD turd of the franchise is well liked here.

FF never had high standards in story writting anyway but still.

old ps1 game with different characters you could play as. one is a jester.

fuck is it called?

Pandemonium

Because his final form looks fucking great
Try asking in the drawthreads

>Doing edgy shit because you're tapped in the head from the prototype magitek soldier process
>Nihilism

No. Exdeath was nihilism. He literally wanted everything to just return to nothing. Necron too but he's an asspull of a villain, Trance Kuja was closer to nihilism than Kefka, but he still didn't convey it, he wanted to take everyone with him because he was afraid to die alone, bot because he embraced the void.

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Thanks just found it.

Thoughts?

>Kefka will only be cool in VI
>he will always be forced to be a stupid butt spanking comic relief character outside of it

The way he's done in Dissidia is awful. The voice choice is terrible too, which is a shame because I actually like his Japanese VA. He's just miscasted. They took a unique character and forced him into a cookie cutter cliche.

>he casts Vanish
>cast X-Zone

Now what nigger?

this, mostly.

beneath the veneer of 'WACKINESS XD SPORK' he's bluntly the cruelest asshole in the entire series. no lofty ambitions, no 'i want to destroy the world for whatever reason', no 'i want to gain the mcguffin so i can rule da world', no 'this world did me injustice so i'll do injustice on the world', just unabashed evil and the ability to take advantage of opportunity.

He doesn't need to have some grim, edgy past for him to be a well made villain.

He's out of his gourd in VI too user.

They were all nihilistic. You're just splitting hairs.

Honestly this for me. He's already achieved his goal of "ending" the world and has risen to the form of a god once you finally fight him.

I also have to give props to Square for the Divine Comedy imagery in the final battle.

Barthandelus was crueler I'd say, the sheer fucking disregard for humans was so well conveyed. He looked on humans like we look on insects. Shame he'll never get into any crossover stuff because he doesn't lend himself to being a playable character.

Do you even understand what nihilism is? Nihilism is the rejection of moral principle on the basis that moral principle is only what man makes of it, and that things such as life or the world are meaningless without labels and definitions.

The closest thing this series has come to a nihilist villain is...maybe Sephiroth? And that was just an edgy mess of a character.

He doesn't break the fourth wall, spank his butt, dance, and have a high pitched stupid voice in VI though. Instead he is depicted as extremely petty and cruel. He does some humorous things, but they are never funny and are done more to show off how insane he is.

You mean Hojo.

who did he hit?
it was gestahl who hit madonna

The selling point for Kefka is the music, at least for me. Dancing Mad is one of the best final boss themes I've ever heard

>Came out years before Suicide Squad

>Doesn't have a high pitched stupid voice
>They took the time to make a fucking ridiculous whooping laugh sound effect for him

Also I'm sure his sprite hops around to convey him doing little dances when he's up to no good.

Obligatory gif.

There is a big difference towards actively working towards a plan of death and just not caring. We got to see Kefka at the point where he won, and he just stopped really caring about what happened to the world.

Nihilism isn't about being death obsessed, it's about feeling that there is no point to anything. Actions are meaningless because over the course of time they won't matter, in the grand scheme of things.

>edgy shit
It was 1993 dude, they weren't trying half as hard to be cool as you are with your buzzwords. Kefka had a reason to do everything he did, up until the point where he ruled the world stopped caring. That's another thing that makes him a great villain. All of his World of Balance actions had meaning and purpose. He always had this giant plan of global domination he was working towards. First through the Empire, then realizing there were forces far more powerful, through those.

The Final Fantasy series is in no way great at coming up with villains but Kefka is probably the best.

He kinda did just that to most of the world, if you diddnt notice.

I actually liked Barthandelus. It was cool fighting the pope and his monster design is awesome. Plus, his theme is catchy and he had the best battles in the game. I wish he could be in Dissidia, but yeah there isn't really a way to fit him in without restricting his design a lot or forcing him to always be in Pope mode, which I'd be alright with either choice actually.

I'd say Kefka is the only one who does actually fit the label. He comes across as spiteful that he can't find meaning in all the things people care about, and he goes out of his way to try to convince the main party that everything they fight for is meaningless. Dissidia tries to flesh him out a bit more in that regard too.

Even when he does become all powerful he ends up realizing that there's no real point to that either. The pleasure he gets from suffering is so little that he's alright with just destroying the entire planet. I'd say his underlining beliefs are indeed that there is no meaning to anything in life outside of the labels you give them

Yeah, Hojo's a better example. Still not great, but much better than Sephiroth in terms of writing.

Can't really think of a good nihilistic villain in vidya, now that I really think of it.

>All those kefkas
>One of whom is a woman

They should have given him multiple personalities like that nigga in YYH.

Because "if I act like FF6 is the best FF, people will think I have superior taste"

god that looks so much worse.
thats gotta be from the mobile abomination

He's intelligent, nihilistic and has a wicked sense of humor.

Solo Wing Pixy

Yes.

The characterization in Dissidia is fucking awful.

Doesn't he hit Celes on the floating continent after she stabs him?

Not only is Kefka's the best, it was done before every game after was trying so hard to outdo "One Winged Angel" which in itself was just trying to do "Dancing Mad".
Got to see them perform it live, so awesome.

>FF1-5 main villains for the most part didn't have personalities or were stock "evil overlord" types that were common in earlier JRPGs.
>Along comes Kefka who seems like he'll be another joke boss like Borghen or Gilgamesh
>And then he fucking upgrades and fucks everything up.

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He's nihilistic with a wicked sense of humor, like myself

His boss fight is still probably the best of any Final Fantasy game. Having the ability to line up twelve of your fourteen party members was amazing. The design is A+, the music is possibly the best boss theme in the entire series.

I'm glad someone gets why he's such a great character. People always think he never cared about anything, but he had a specific goal in mind in the first half of the game. He achieved that goal and was disappointed by it. At that point, he had achieved everything in life one could dream of and saw that there was no meaning in any of it.

You can actually follow all of Kefka's actions logically. If you take his perspective, it all makes sense.

>prototype magic wielding warrior
>have power beyond many's wildest dreams
>placed in a position of power within a military state
>aware of a means of gaining more power
>one of the only things he finds joy in is the suffering of others
>slowly removes obstacles within the government that can prevent him from rising in power
>once in the right position, kills the leader
>now all powerful
>creates a stronghold and brainwashes the masses to serve him
>immediately destroys any obstacles
>entire world fears him
>literally takes over the planet and rules it
>pain and suffering throughout the land
>up until then he enjoyed the suffering of others
>just sits around in a tower doing nothing
>concludes there's no meaning to anything
>main party attempts to overthrow him
>they argue with him about all the things they care about
>he wants to prove them wrong by showing how meaningless all that stuff is do to how he can destroy it with ease
>next plan is to just start mass destroying the planet

You're never supposed to think highly of him. He's portrayed as petty the entire game. Everyone hates him, they mock him when he is not around. Once he becomes powerful though, people fear him.

He's awesome. If you want to see a villain like this done terribly, then play FFIX. That version is literally just a spoiled child throwing a tantrum. It's really rare to do the destroy the world villain well, but they somehow made it work with Kefka.

Thats what I like about Kefka.
Everyone underestimates him. He looks and acts like a joke throughout most of the game until he gets his opportunity to ascend to godhood and starts acting on his own whim to get there.

Then you realise how twisted he could actually be.

Just like me

I'd say his theme is the best boss theme ever, and his fight is definitely contender for best boss fight ever. The sheer magnitude of the fight cannot be topped. Having that music blasting in your face as you slowly climb the tower of deities is outstanding. Tying each part of the fight to a different party of the song works great and seeing him up top in the heavens is awesome.

I played FFVI for the first time last year and I was blown away by the fight. It isn't particularly hard, but it's really memorable and I like how it is a long fight without ever dragging on. It truly feels like your whole party is fighting him too. There's just something so awesome about whenever the screen shifts upward to show you you haven't reached the top yet, but then the music just keeps changing

Because of the second half of the game. Not the first

I like the Emperor from 2 better. He not only conquered Hell, but in the Dawn of Souls stuff he was so evil that even his 'good' half was too evil and had conquered Heaven too.

Kuja was just a different take on it and I loved it

>Basically the same thing as Kefka but more insidious and cunning, making others do his dirty work is his pleasure even though he has the power to do things himself
>Tries to overthrow his master
>Finds out it doesn't matter what he does he's going to die
>Goes from cunning villain to terrified child with the power to nuke entire planets

Watching his dreams and plans fall apart and this untouchable flawless elegance just melt away into pure fear and rage was great.

nah, he just says "grr i hate hate HATE HATE HATE HATE you" then starts commanding the statues iirc

Kefka and VI were so good Square has consistently tried to just redo them and failed every single time. I can't believe how much of VI was regurgitated in XV. They tried so hard to make it work too. When I saw "World of Ruin" in XV I cringed harder than any game has ever made me do.

yeah go to 3:20

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he wasnt that good in dissidia

Ah. Yes. Well then. Carry on.

Oh God, please no!

>Everyone circlejerks OWA
>tfw always preferred Bizarro Sephiroth's battle theme

OP is a son of a submariner

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It's spelled Kefka, user.

No, Jesus, please, not this way!

>he's going to have a high pitched child's voice and shout like "I'll never stop fighting...FOR LOVE " before every fight.

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People like you are the fucking worst.

In your opinions what's the best FF villain? Also thoughts on Ardyn?

Is he really wearing a fedora or is this an edit?

It's part of his design.

Well, at least they know their audience

he could have used more exposition

I like the idea of a failed hero growing bitter and becoming a villain though.

basically he absorbed the demons instead of sacrificing himself - which had the unintended effect of making him immortal.

it would have been perhaps better if Ardyn acted more friendly toward Noct or at least treated him like a nephew

Not too big of a fan of this remix of FFT osts, but I'll probably enjoy it when I get to actually play the game.

Also like how "throw stone" and "yell" are part of his moveset.

>Garland
>Golbez
>Cloud of Darkness
>"evil overlords"

>literally a knight that went rogue for shit and giggles, so inmersed in battle that even made time his bitch and made time loop where he will constantly revive and make every final fantasy kill each other.

>a lunarian wizard who was the literally best guy ever and wanted to help everyone but couldn't atone for his sins, and it was just controlled by a entity from the moon the whole time.

>an entity of destruction, with no real feelings and jwho just wants to embrace the world in darkness or more or less nothingness.


I give you Emperor Mateaus, and even if he was an evil overlord he was still one of the best villains of the series, literally played everyone like a damn fiddle, made then kill so he would split his soul and conquer both fucking hell and heaven, and Exdeath who intentionally was a cheesy as fuck villain pulling a lot of tropes but also almost accomplished his desired like Kefka even if for a moment.

Pretty terribly done. Like the rest of the game he's sporadic and lacks complexity. I like his design a lot and he has a cool voice and outfit, but the execution is lackluster and the final battle is terrible. He's better than the game he's from and he and the Dragoon lady are the only non shit things about XV. I look forward to using him in Dissidia, but I'd rather he not be in if it meant not having Noctis either. Fuck Noctis.

At least it isn't that terrible Dancing Mad remix they did.

Kuja's trance theme is as awesome as always though

Same, and I wish we could know just how much truth there is to what he says. He claims he was demonized for healing people by the gods but the way Bahamut describes him it seems as if he wasn't supposed to do that?