Souls Series

Could one consider the Souls Series as JRPGs?

Obviously they were all made in Japan. But other than that, there's pretty much nothing Japanese about them.

so what?
Mairo or MGS also nothing Japanese about but those are Japanese games

How are they any less japanese than something like final fantasy.

Well they're certainly not western RPGs.

so are elder scrolls games 'Tamriel game'?

They are Bethesda games. Well oblivion and Skyrim is anyways.

actually a lot of the themes and philosophy in the souls games are Japanese in tone

What kind of retarded question is this?
Why would they be considered JRPGs?

dark souls is From game

Like Raising your son as a trap

Japanese devlopers

wouldn't*

They're probably the most westernised RPGs Japan has ever shat out. Much of the content and aesthetic in Dark Souls 1, alone, can be found in something like an Elder Scrolls game or Dragon's Age.

Try again.

If one could consider Bloodborne a souls game without the word souls being in the title, you could consider anything really.

Because they were made by Japs in Japan and the game has distinctly Japanese themes?

I didn't know Shogun is Japanese game

Not really my man. Japan values teamwork and subjugating yourself for the greater good. The souls series is isolating and is one of the few Japanese RPGs that doesn't use a party system.

Typo

Most of the content and lore in the Souls games are found in many European mythologies.

Because JRPGs are typically characterised by the same stuff you'd find in anime.

>nothing japanese about MGS

You are incredibly stupid, out of touch and deluded if you think this. Time to pull your head out of your weebsphere, faggot.

They aren't RPGs.
Swords and dragons doesn't mean RPG you faggots.

It's action/adventure.

He says while having never heard of any "European mythologies"

They're ARPGs asshole. Sure they're not the deepest, but the series undeniably employs RPG elements.

That's the thing about the Souls games. In style, lore, and themes, there's very little anything Japanese to be found. What you find in the Souls games are more likely to be found in a book about some kind of western mythology like Ancient Greece, Germania, Scandinavian, etc. Not a lot of Asian influences.

Yes, Dark Souls is WRPG.

Japan can make better WRPG than the west.
They alco can make better JRPG the the west.

Westerners are fucking useless piece of shit.

you're confusing the themes with the setting

>subjugating yourself for the greater good.
that's what Gwyn and the PC is all about DaS

Like what, you get to play dressup? Fuck you buddy they're as much an RPG as call of duty is

>hey look I get different loadouts and looks
>hey I can choose to kill people or not

>you're confusing the themes with the setting
Those go hand-in-hand.

Oh a lot like JRPGs then? Seriously, germanic themes have got to be the most common theme in JRPGs. You see norse mythology being randomly inserted in them.

if there's any European mythology it closely resembles it's Britain, not Greece or Scandanavia lmao

>Could one consider the Souls Series as JRPGs?
Stop this retarded meme. They're action games with stats.

>Seriously, germanic themes have got to be the most common theme in JRPGs.
Not usually. But when they are in place, they're more of an Americanised take on German/Norse mythology than the actual ones.

no man that's like saying The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise is a Japanese film, it isn't it's an American film to the core and deals with American themes of redemptions and cultural alienation

Sorry but Souls is weebshit.

British myth is barely non existent though. The series itself has more in common with Norse myth. The only british thing about Dark Souls is the naming scheme of some characters like Gwynn and his family.

no 99% of the time based on English Tolkienshire

That's not dragon's dogma.

You know I remember a time when Metal Gear wasn't really anime inspired.
Kojima worked better on 80s movie tropes with some scifi for flavor rather than when he was making cyber futuristic stuff like having hologram iPhones in the 80s.

1). Britain mythology and history is hugely Scandinavian. Beowulf is one example.
2). The back history of DS1, with Gywn and his cronies, is based off the mere basics in Greek mythology. Gywn being Zeus, Izalyth being Hera, Nito being Hades, Seath being Coeus, and Manus being Erebus.

>Tolkien

No, not really. Early JRPGs are more influenced by D&D, in a way that there is more emphasis in it being a clusterfuck of token fantasy creatures and class roles, whereas WRPGs focused more in Tolkien style worldbuilding.

>no man that's like saying The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise is a Japanese film
If it was able to adopt the Japanese setting and themes as well as the Souls series does to Western medium, it might've been.

D&D is primarily based on Middle Earth lmao, it has fucking hobbits and everything

Many JRPGs, and RPGs in general, take influences from Dungeons and Dragons. Which was originally inspired by the works of Tolkien.

Yes. Cuz magic monsters and gods are only a wastern thing.

If Souls is an WRPG, then the Witcher might aswell be a JRPG because Geralt is a 100 year old badass monster slayer with white hair who fights like he's dancing and also fucks tons of women.

>Why would they be considered JRPGs?
It is a Japanese game series and it is an RPG so the confusion isn't that weird.
JRPGs actually mean a rather specific type of games. As a genre definition, it's as important as ARPG for example, doesn't actually mirror WRPG which is much broader definition and there are pretty clearly defined characteristics.

It still wouldnt be. Because it was made by Hollywood. Place of origin still matters.

Certain types and occurrences of monsters and gods, yeah.

The impact of the work matters more, though. If something was effectively able to appropriate a culture well enough to give it it's own identity, it can and has been before. The way Ancient Egypt is portrayed today is testament to that.

The Witcher series are still distinctly Slavic, though. In terms of setting, story, writing, themes, history, etc.

nice troll 8/10, not responding anymore

Nice IQ of 70.

the books are, the game series is Americanised trash for the most part

MGS is very japanese

Of course it's Japanese. It was made in Japan and by Japanese people. Just because it doesn't take place in weebland doesn't make it not Japanese. Would you call an RPG made by a western developer, but set in Japan, a JRPG? Of course not.

In order for a game to be called a JRPG it at least needs to be an RPG in the first place.

Yeah, but the games take on themes, story, and philosophy are still something you rarely find outside of Eastern Europe. Americans would find the stuff in the Witcher series too dark and depressing to put in their medium.

it's no more depressing than Game of Thrones (written by an obese american leftist cuck)

For me at least I can't help but associate JRPGs with turn-based combat and the like so for me it isn't one.

That said, it depends if you consider an RPG simply made in Japan a JRPG, or if you are talking about aesthetic elements of a game.

To me the Souls games actually feels like Dungeons & Dragons in a way.

The Game of Thrones series take influence from Proto-Slavia, though. And the author is a well-known exception to the rule, and has a reputation of going against what Americans normally expect from modern media.

the biggest JRPGs these days are Dark Souls, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts which are all real time now, the turn based thing is mostly dead now

Isn't Xenoblade real time as well I never played it

ionno. i find george r.r. martin's books to be the least american literature to come out of america.

>The Game of Thrones series take influence from Proto-Slavia
no it hasn't it's an almost completely American take on fantasy, mostly taking influence from British history and fantasy

Persona is bigger than Kingdom Hearts.

>no it hasn't it's an almost completely American take on fantasy
American interpretation on fantasy and mythology are rarely very dark.

>mostly taking influence from British history and fantasy
Which technically doesn't exist (most of the fantasy and mythology in Britain were lost). And are Scandinavian in origin.

uhh Kingdom Hearts outsells Persona by quite a bit

Xenoblade is psudo-realtime
It takes positioning into account and you control when you use skills, but attacks are automatic.

lulz King Arthur and Robin Hood are more famous and influential than anything to come out of Poland
btw Wales and Ireland have an extensive mythology you pleb

And as for Game of Thrones it's almost a retelling of The War of the Roses

user, much of the underlying philosophy of the games comes straight out of Japanese Buddhism.

Bloodborne is an exception.

I'm talking in terms of cultural capital.

>lulz King Arthur and Robin Hood are more famous and influential than anything to come out of Poland
In the west, they're influential. Not in the east.

>And as for Game of Thrones it's almost a retelling of The War of the Roses
With some distinct cultural flavours that you would expect out of places like Croatia and Romania.

nobody cares about your pseudo-rankings, it sells more so it's a bigger series

>btw Wales and Ireland have an extensive mythology you pleb
pagan mythology

all European mythology is pagan

That's because JRPGs have been founded on D&D, i.e. the Ultima series. The difference between JRPGs and WRPGs is that JRPG never stopped tryig to wank of the traditional D&D layout, so that's why it still feels like retro sword and sorcery like Dragonquest for example.

>btw Wales and Ireland have an extensive mythology you pleb
Er, Ireland and Wales are still of Scandinavian influence as you can see by their culture and language. And even then, their mythologies fall under the Pagan umbrella.

The "japanese" in JRPGs isn't really important or more like, at first it literally meant RPGs made in Japan, but over time RPG trends in japan branched out and the term stuck to a style of RPG that tended to be mostly linear with a static plot you had no direction and choice in and rarely any character creation. I think at this point anyone can make a JRPG, not just the japanese, if they adhere to these ideas which Dark Souls stays enough away from to not be a JRPG.

You could argue genre forever though. People get graduate degrees in genre study. Ultimately it's a dead end conversation since everyone has their own idea of what a genre entails and no one is really wrong.

Stop talking about shit you don't know about, fatboy GRRM knows nothing about some shithole like Romania or Croatia, like most Americans he grew up reading Lord of the Rings and stuff like that is what influenced him, now fuck off

>The difference between JRPGs and WRPGs is that they both wank of the traditional D&D layout, so that's why it still feels like retro sword and sorcery like Dragonquest for example.
Fixed that for you.

Depends on which European mythology you're referring to.

All this pagan talk makes me wish for Celtic Souls. That would be fucking awesome.

Welsh and Irish are Celtic languages and very different to Scandinavian or any Germanic language (I speak Welsh as my native language) so don't try to claim otherwise

>fatboy GRRM knows nothing about some shithole like Romania or Croatia
And yet the settings are still distinctly of what you find in central Europe countries Romania and Croatia.

>like most Americans he grew up reading Lord of the Rings
1). Most Americans haven't heard of LotR until the movies.
2). LotR was written by Tolkein, who is well known for having a huge hard on for the mythologies and history Old Europe (and are what helped inspired the LotR universe in the first place).

Yeah, anything Celtic is usually Scandinavian in origins. Mainly because of past viking activity. And Germanic, Norse, and Scandinavian cultures, history, what have you are distinct from one-another.

They're more of an offspring of old first person dungeon crawlers, with more than passing similarities to King's Field.

They hold almost no ties whatsoever to the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest traditions that we have grown accostumed to associate JRPGs with, are are probably far closer to games like Wizardry instead.

Also the RPG aspects are frankly secondary and not really essential for the proper functioning of the combat system.

>Central Europe
hahahah keep telling yourself that

>Most Americans haven't heard of LotR until the movies
Lord of the Rings was a pretty big fucking book in the USA, especially for GRRMs generation

>who is well known for having a huge hard on for the mythologies
Yeah, Welsh and Greek and Germanic, he didn't give a shit about anything East of Germany

>(I speak Welsh as my native language)
if american kids are to look at, that doesn't mean you know your country's history

>Greek and Germanic
Those are still Central Europe.

no you retard, Vikings raided East England and Scotland. Wales and Ireland are in the East, the Vikings had little contact with them, learn how to read a map

I doubt Tolkien gave two shits about the Welsh (nobody in England did at the time). Celtic, yeah. But Welsh specifically is a bit of a stretch.

You do know that celtic culture came BEFORE vikings right? of course you don't.

He literally learned the language and had a boner for Welsh mythology

do Americans... actually believe things like this?

Many of Ireland's history deals with viking raids and the Northmen. The Book of Kells, for example, was being completed at the time of the raids. Hell, it's suspected that it was originally being cooked up in Iona, but had to leave because of the viking raids.

Yes. the country that is as far south as you can get before becoming the middle east or africa is part of central europe. Dumbass.

Not really. Todays WRPGs, not counting those made by Obsidian, are a far cry from the D&D style RPGs of the 90s.

Er, you sure about that. The languages he used in the LotR were based off of a dying rune language in Finland.

>many
it's a couple of raids in thousands of years of history, if you think that makes the Irish language and culture Scandinavian, well I don't really know what to say to you

But they're still European and still in the central part of it.