What exactly is the goal/protagonist motive of Bloodborne?

What exactly is the goal/protagonist motive of Bloodborne?

You just start the game waking up and then tear through a bunch of crazed villagers for no reason. There's no driving point that I can tell, it's just "keep moving".

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Cure his disease. Dont skip the cutscene next time, newfriend.

What disease?, he infects himself with beastblood.

>There's no driving point that I can tell, it's just "keep moving".

Yes, this is canon. The instructions from Gehrman from the beginning of the game are, and I quote:

"...don't think too hard about all of this. Just go out and kill a few beasts. It's for your own good. You know, it's just what hunters do!"

He's looking for "paleblood" which can cure any disease. As he searches for it he keeps finding out more fucked up shit.

to cure whatever ailment he came to Yarnham for.

But to get the treatment he had to sign a contract, which entailed the PC to become a beast hunter

did you even listen during the first cut scene?

"Seek Paleblood to transcend the hunt"

Depending on who you ask, Paleblood is either Mergo, Great Ones, or the Moon Presence.

You have a disease called paleblood, the doctor you go to see about it is a bully, you learn tidbits like how the healing church could probably help you or how that one college studies blood related diseases. You have two options, kill those which are no longer human and hope you can find a cure, or turn back home and die from paleblood.

Its never even explained that clearly. You get a beast blood transfusion and sign a contract.

Why do you become a beast hunter if youre going to become a beast?

>would you like to return home?
>yes
Credits roll

No Paleblood is the Moon presence.

nope

'paleblood' refers to the phase of the moon where it turns a 'paleblood' color (that washed out red-ish phase after defeating rom), and in turn, the Moon Presence

>Why do you become a beast hunter if youre going to become a beast?

what?

He's afflicted with an ailment and comes to recieve treatment from blood ministration. He should have died before ever leaving Isofeka's clinic by the very first werewolf he encounters simply trying to walk out the front door, but he's pulled into the Hunter's Dream by MP.

You get given the beast blood right? So why don't you become a beast?

So, you were transfused with the beast blood, congratulations! you are now cured with whatever disease you have but now is a living time bomb, when your timer runs out you become a beast like everyone else in the city

But since you signed yourself a contract, you agreed to become the hunter for the night, which shields you from becoming one of them as long you fulfill the contract. and to end the hunt, you must end the nightmare or you're trapped forever.

But once you finished your nightly hunt, you consumed too much blood, via blood echoes, blood vials and stuff. You will be addicted to it, so you will return back to Yharnam. Just like what happened to Eileen, Gilbert and Gascoigne who even came from Boletaria.

But, without the protection of the contract, soon, you will become a beast, to be hunted by the newly contracted hunter. That is the curse of Kos when it was killed by the Byrgenwerths scholars. That is why they keep it a secret.

That is why to literally get yourself out of that shitty situation, you must hunt the Paleblood. And transcend yourself to a higher being, transcend out of the hunting cycle.

Becoming a beast takes awhile, as seen by the NPC right next to Central Yharnam.

WAKE UP

>Or some say, Kosm

I think CDPR or Bioware games are more your thing.

>there are Kos fags posting on this board right now
Disgusting

This town's finished

Right at the very beginning, as you're being given the blood, there's that werewolf on fire. I think that's supposed to represent the PC trying to resist/fight against the scourge.

But general citizen abuse blood and give into/embrace the beast.

Also I assume that it takes time-- you're just given blood there and then.

You do realise what also triggers the events that turn people into beasts, right?

Cool, hey if we live close to each other, wanna play pretend?

The Blood-Starved Beast is a bitch.

Playing pretend is for dorks.

There have been many who have come before you and who have gone through the same experience, including (but not limited to) Father Gascoigne, Henryk, Alfred, and Valtr, and whilst there's no ironclad proof it's incredibly likely Eileen and Djura have as well. Father Gascoigne goes beast, in a spectacular way I might add. Henryk goes blood-addled. Eileen, if you don't do her quest, goes blood-addled. Djura and Valtr are all kinds of fucked up. And Alfred kills himself because he knows what he will become if he doesn't.

In short, because it's not an instant process. You don't just have one shot of blood and suddenly you're a Cleric Beast.

He's pretty easy once you get his rythym down. Just never be in front of him at any time

>Boletaria

AWOOOOOOO!

Yeah, yeah. And roll left.

>no ironclad proof it's incredibly likely Eileen and Djura
Those two are the only ones who flat let mention the Dream though, the others are the questionable ones. Alfred kills himself to be canonized with Logarius, not because he's scared of anything

WEREWOLVES IN LODON

This pretty much nails the general gist.

You go looking for a cure and along the way Lovecraft happens

Because it's a gradual process and you can resist it for quite a while, though doing so makes your eventual transformation way fucking worse. Like Ludwig.

Eileen and Djura certainly have.

Eileen states "no more dreams for me, this is my last chance" when trying to kill the fucking Vileblood.

Djura certainly have too, but he is the only one on record that quit midway and tearing his contract because he went full-on SJW

>That is the curse of Kos when it was killed by the Byrgenwerths scholars.
Kos wasn't killed by the scholars and the hunter's curse is separate to that of beasthood. The curse of the hunters made by Orphan/Kos is for them to be driven insane by the hunt, which drives them closer to beasthood but doesn't necessitate it (look at all the blood-addled hunters in the Hunter's Nightmare for example). Beasts (as a result of the blood) was happening long before Kos washed up and Byrgenwerth visited the Fishing Hamlet, as seen in the chalice dungeons.

>squirrel
Izzy is best girl

Speaking of Ludwig, why is he a horse? Did he ride around on a horse? Did he kill horses?

Is there a closer lantern to it besides the one just before the gatling gun guy?

No, but there are shortcuts. You can run to the boss without fighting anything.

there's two shortcuts

Like a work horse, Ludwig did as the church commanded, and followed orders without thinking or caring about the repercussions, thus his transformation was into a similar beast.

Kos wasn't killed by the scholars, she was already dead.
The scholars were cursed because they killed the villagers and drilled holes in their skulls looking for eyes and possibly killed/kidnapped/did something to the orphan to get one third of an umbilical cord.
Also the hunter's nightmare is unrelated to beasthood. The curse is that the hunter's will go crazy, get sucked into the nightmare, and live out the hunt forever. Beasthood is a side-effect of imbibing the blood of the great ones because the human mind/body can't fully deal with it or something.

That's a good question.
Maybe it's to signify his role as a Knightly figure for the Church the same way the Knight is represented by a Horse in chess

The Old Hunters Bell states that it can be used to summon old hunters
>The old hunters, who have long passed from the dream but cannot forget the feeling of the hunt, rely upon messengers to relay their thoughts.
Therefore anyone who can be summoned by it (including Gascoigne, Alfred, Henryk, Valtr, and others) were once hunters of the dream.

Eileen mentions the Doll and the dream and Djura mentions 'being like you once'. but it's never flat-out stated they were once hunters of the dream like it's flat-out stated for everybody else mentioned.

Ah ok, makes sense.

Ludwig and his posse of hunters were compared to old chivalrous Knights so maybe that has to do with it.

Am I right in saying that when a Great One conceives a child, it also triggers Palemoon/people turning into beasts? And that's why you're goal is to kill Mergo also?

All you need is that note in the corner of the workshop that says "Find the source of this shit or you are stuck here". You don't want to be stuck there, do you?

The characters in all of the souls games ultimately had no reason to go along with what they are told. But if you don't then you don't have much of a game, do you?

You're in a creepy place and.... try not to get killed

I thought you needed paleblood to cure something you have, in order to find the paleblood(what ever it was) you needed to sign the contract that made you a hunter. So you transfuse blood to make you a hunter.

So I always felt like my drive was to find what paleblood was and to use it to heal myself and finish my contract. Turns out paleblood was speaking about the moon(more specifically, the moon presence), that's why the best ending is finding out about the moon presence and killing it.

But I'm probably wrong, that's what I was thinking through out the game. The nightmare was suppose to be us learning what paleblood was, and when we find out the nightmare didn't hold the answer, Gerhman has no choice and tries to stop us from finding out about the moon presence.

It seems like paleblood was an impossible thing to obtain but all hunters that used the dream were tricked into becoming hunters forever so the healing church would have new hunters, like we all were following smoke and mirrors to complete their work of beast hunting.

I haven't ever read much on the lore of the game, but I thought that's what the game was trying to say.

Mergo is Yharnam's kid, he's probably older than you are.

He already got his cure with the 'normal' yharnam blood then there's just a note that says "to transcend the hunt seek paleblood" or something along those lines and that's supposed to mean to make contact with a great one and maybe slay it

s/he was invited to cainhurst castle, probably went into coma and shit went down in yarhnam

Gehrman is only hiding shit from you so you can be freed of the dream. He doesn't want any of this shit anymore

No, Mergo's been around for a long time. The beast scourge just happens when people take Great One blood and the blood moon is due to the Nightmare of Mensis.
Though apparently the blood moon makes it more likely you'll get knocked up by a Great One considering at least two female NPCs get pregnant and one gives birth during it

the curse is that the hunters will be hunted themselves. the hunter's nightmare is a dream created to a separate reality by Kos. Amygdala just spirited away the blood addled hunters

those NPCs you meet in the Hunter's Nightmare are long gone, and just recreated by the power of the dream, so someone can finally uncover the secret. But the hunters who want to protect the secret are also recreated by the dream too.

Finished both Dark souls 1 and 2 this week, going on to 3 soon.

Why is bloodborne just so much better? Don't get me wrong DaS1 was incredible too, but BB just fixed everything wrong with it, while still paralelling it, just with a new plot idea

I don't know what the fuck DaS2 was thinking with its awful structure, shit ton of pointless bosses, and just plain overall massochistic areas.

Paleblood probably refers to the Red Moon, from which the Moon Presence comes from. This Great One cannot have children in any way, so you will become its child once you trick it by eating the cords and overcome its test of strength.

There's like 3 different things here.

One, it's very rare for a Great One to have a child, they often use human surrogates

Two, People turning into beasts was due to the Old Blood and it becoming the number one cure all in Yharnam so everybody was using it.

Three, it's perhaps more likely that the reason you're sent to kill Mergo's Wet Nurse is because the Moon Presence wanted them out of the picture.

But why does he attack you then?
And why does his fight proceed the Moon Presence fight?

It looked like he was keeping the moon presence from us because he thought something bad would happen...
I don't know, I'm learning alot from this thread that I didn't know.

That's not really true. The Slayer of Demons is there to find adventure and fortune after hearing about Boletaria from Vallarfax. The Chosen Undead has two choices, keep going or turn hollow. The Good Hunter went to Yharnam for a cure and got dragged into all their bullshit and needs to find a way out of it.

Which masochistic areas? DS3 honestly annoyed me more with its zones.

And to answer your first question, this is what happens when a game is made with some intent and dedication that isn't focusing on making an obligatory cash grab sequel

I'm confused, do the events of Bloodborne really happen or is it all a dream?

Who is this semen demon ?

>What masochistic areas

Iron fucking keep

Because you refuse to be freed from the dream. He wants you to go, you wont, you fight.

Then after Gehrman himself is freed, the MP needs a replacement which it finds in you. You can either accept Gehrman's role or become a great one yourself

Uncover the mystery.
Not every video game has to tell its story as if it were a movie.

it had much better publisher, i think that bandai is very restrictive with miyazaki and they didn't let him do much with dark souls.

but sony gave miyazaki much more freedom to do as he pleased and he came up with this masterpiece.

Gerhman's not really trying to keep anything from you. He's just doing his job. His job is to free hunters from the dream once they've fulfilled their purpose, but sometimes hunters become addicted to the dream and don't want to leave so he has to remove them by force.

Did the events in souls really happen? Its all theoretical. even if you did light the flame, did the world restart? Are you alive? are you dead? etc.

It wasn't all that hard. Shrine of Amana I'd probably the only place I legitimately got annoyed with. Did you kill Smelter?

Why not both?
Dreams are real and do happen in that universe.

Everyone had a reason to go through the story though. They weren't doing it for normal story reasons though, well except for the demon slayer.

All protagonists from dark souls either had to face impossible odds or they would, in time, lose themselves and become hollow/mad.

The hunter needed to leave the dream or become a beast

I don't buy that at all. The whole point of the nightmare is punishment for the hunters, torment, just having them appear there and die once would not be tormenting punishment and it would also not explain how ghost Kos could possibly perfectly recreate the Holy Moonlight Sword and other such relics and if Maria was just a recreation there'd be no reason for killing her to have a genuine effect on the Plain Doll.

What exactly is the goal/protagonist motive of Castlevania?

You just start the game waking up and then tear through a bunch of monsters and skeletons for no reason. There's no driving point that I can tell, it's just "keep moving".

The dream itself is its own sort of reality since it influences the actual world

youtube.com/watch?v=wjWOy6ioVHI
Here you have the story, start with the Great One, what is reality and what is dream or nightmare. Is a good story, but you need to find all staff, is not like the witcher 3 or another games when they give you almost every information. in bloodborne you need to find the story in dialogue, descrition of items, bosses quote and staff like this.

Both.

Simon Belmont is destined to kill Dracula tho

Half and half.

There are forgeries based on reality but they're just as real as the places they're based on.

The goal: roll roll attack

Oh, did killing the wet nurse fulfill our contract?

I thought our contract was released if we found paleblood

But when you replace Gerhman you aren't visited by the moon presence, right?


I honestly have no idea why you have to kill the moon presence, other than it is trying to kill you

I mean, I guess, but in pretty much every case you are already dead. If any of the characters simply accepted it then none of the games would have gone any further than they did.

If you have a certain amount of insight you can find Gherman in the little garden with the messenger hat bath. He's asleep, and he cries as he sleeps, he begs for Laurence and Willem to come save him, for someone, anyone, to end his torment and set him free.

Gherman is a puppet, just as you become if you try to face Moon Presence unprepared.

So question, I played BB about 3 times before moving on to trying Dark souls

I get the hollowed system in DaS, but what was up with beasthood in BB? Looking back, shouldn't it have been the same system? I don't recall my hunter ever turning into a beast, and I never did understand what the beasthood meter was for. It didn't; seem to work like humanity.

Fuck off Vaati

English isnt your first language, is it

It doesn't work like that. Beasthood increases damage taken and damage dealt.

Every game's plot is to kill Dracula and to do that you have to survive his castle that is full of his servants that don't want you to get to him.

You are. Killing Gehrman has the MP descend and embrace you
And the third ending basically assumes that you're wanting to ascend and be a great one yourself with the amount of powerful blood echoes and knowledge you obtained.

They do really happen. The Yharnam you visit is the same Yharnam you can awaken in in the first ending. The dream planes are actual alternate planes of reality created and maintained by Great Ones, rather than just your sub-conscious fucking with you.

The same as all the our souls games. You find shit, you beat the living shit out of it. Anyone who says otherwise beats the game first and watches fucking youtube videos afterwards because they don't get spoiled but in reality they didn't care for it during their playthrough either.

Yes, killing the Wet Nurse causes Mergo to die, which is what the Moon Presence wanted. So when you do that your purpose in the dream is fulfilled. The whole "seek paleblood" thing was just a way to get the ball rolling, you'll notice later on the notes you find direct you towards stopping Mensis and their ritual instead, "lest we all become beasts." That's the real goal of the game.
When you replace Gehrman it's the Moon Presence that comes down and assigns you the new role. You fight the Moon Presence if you've eaten three cords because you can resist its power and it doesn't want you to ascend so it tries to stop you, or something like that.

Beasthood only really seems to matter if you chomp on a beastblood pellet or use the beast claws. The more you attack shit and fill your beasthood the bigger the damage bonus / defense penalties are.

Oh, I only played it twice and got the release ending and the squid ending, I honestly just have heard the other you replaced him so I never cared to get it.

>31:17

Fuck that, summarize the story in three words.

It's basically a damage buff. When you have the stat high and you take pellets or use beast claws, a beast meter begins to build. The more you fill it, the bigger the buff. Some weapons fill it faster than others. Your beasthood stat reverse scales with insight. The more insight, the less beastly. You can increase beasthood with certain runes, clothing, and items

>You find shit, you beat the living shit out of it.

Thats not the plot of any souls games you brute.

Hunt, Dream, Insight

That makes sense,
I didn't know the MP visited you if you didn't gather the three cords