When will people admit this is the best Soulsborne game? Do we have to wait till The Ringed City?
Bloodborne wasn't shit until the dlc
Dark Souls 1 goes to shit after the second half, but makes up for it with the dlc.
And DaS II is just bad.
Demon's souls isn't that great either and aged poorly.
We have to wait for NiOh to come out, for people to play it and discover it sucks ass, then have those same people go back and replay DeS/DaS/Das2/BB/DaS3
Then people will rate DaS3 higher on sheer merit of not having garbage bosses
It's the only souls game I've ever played, but compared to the huge variety in ds 2 for different builds, I think ds 2 had better pvp. I wouldn't know though.
Nioh is going to tank lol, everyone expecting this killer app is going to be disappointed. It's going to get like 70 on metacritic and most people who do play Souls looking for a souls game are going to hate it.
This game just feels so stale and worn out, it's got basically nothing that wasn't already done in an earlier game in the series. The fact that the game's colour palette is 90% shades of grey feels fitting. Add in the fact that game mechanics are basically non-functional or completely absent, and that the PVP is by far the worst it's ever been in the franchise and there's absolutely no way you could say it was the best of these games. Not even close.
It's fine but has major fucking problems.
>lack of build variety
>Poise is fucked so no need for heavy armor
>lore that is nothing but "lol member DaS1 you loved DaS1 right?!"
>crap DLC (so far)
>most liner level design yet
Say what you want DaS2, another deeply flawed game, but it least tried some new things.
DeS>BB>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2
3 is really a fan service game more than anything, but it's literally impossible to be worse than DaS2. DeS and BB got really important things like level design, enemy placement, pacing, and atmosphere right where every DaS has been lacking by comparison. If you don't think the bosses in DeS were good, you are obviously a tryhard faggot that only plays for the non-existent 'difficulty' and should fuck off back to plebbit.
>Comparing Rehashed Souls 3 with Bloodborne
Disgusting
Ringed City is going to suck btw. Ashes of Ariandel proved they have no idea what they're doing anymore.
But the bosses in DeS are fucking terrible. They're all gimmicks with toilet music in the background.
idk about everything you said but your last part about not having garbage bosses is 100% correct
Dark Souls > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 2 > Bloodborne
haven't played through 3, yet.
ds2 pvp was fucked over by soul memory, otherwise it would probably be the best pvp in the series
>They're all gimmicks
As apposed to what? A boss I can easily beat by blocking and strafing circles around? The only interesting bosses in DaS are the ones you have to figure out and prepare for like Nito. Meme bosses like Or and Smo are a cake walk if you aren't retarded. At least the aggressive bosses in DeS had extra mechanics mixed in like level drain or punching explosions at you, but I honestly had more fun with the ones that showed off neat gimmicks like Storm King. It felt like a reward after clearing a really tough stage.
>playing Souls games for the pvp
you might as well play Smash competitively.
Did you try the DLC?
BB's base game is weak but it's like DaS2 on crack where the DLC is fucking amazing.
>bloodborne
>level design
I want you right now to find for me a city so fucked up in layout that you consistently need to walk through someones house to get to the next street.
Literally nothing about that level design was clever and I could in no way see an actual city looking that fucked up.
not even England is that bad
Even DS2 is better
Demon's Souls: Doesn't hold up too well, but essentially defined a new genre. Good game.
Dark Souls: Fell apart after O&S, but had the greatest atmosphere of the Souls. Had the best characters and lore.
Dark Souls 2: Sad imitator. All of its attempts to be "different" make the game worse. Bosses are mostly crap, controls are wonky, and the PVP was not as good as people pretend it was. Pretty shitty.
Bloodborne: Original, tightly-designed, and fun. Had great story/characters/bosses, with a few notable screw-ups like Chalice Dungeons and PVP. If it had been multiplatform, and had been released instead of Dark Souls, it would be universally hailed as a masterpiece, but Sup Forums-politics gives it a polarizing reputation on Sup Forums.
Dark Souls 3: Desperate imitation of Dark Souls 1, with some Bloodborne unnecessarily sprinkled in. Fun, and certainly better-designed than Dark Souls 2, but nothing exceptional.
Dark Souls 3 is a derivative compromise between two better games, Dark Souls and Bloodborne. It doesn't have the careful stamina management, positioning, and commitment to attacks that Dark Souls has, and it doesn't have trick weapons, rally, reworked critical attacks, or anything that sets Bloodborne apart in the gameplay either. It's a linear, thoughtless, and totally unnecessary game that offers none of the experiences that make the three pictured special or anything to set itself apart. It's not just a retread, it's a retread that does just about everything worse.
Bloodbore and das 1 are the only souls games worth playing
Des is trash
>I want you right now to find for me a city so fucked up in layout that you consistently need to walk through someones house to get to the next street
I found one, but I will not post it until you show me a city that is currently under siege by manbeasts and cthulu monsters.
Holy fuck, what does level design have to do with realism? Kill yourself, nu/v/.
>I never played the game
level design being good is not the same as level design being realistic. good level design is about how gameplay flows as you go through the level.
DaS3 having much better and dynamic enemy AI than in 1 where you can back stab everything to oblivion makes it a better PvE experience than 1. I literally can't go back to 1 after playing 3 anymore. Also it doesn't fall apart after the second half and all it's bosses shit on DaS1 bosses minus O&S+ Artorias. Haven't played BB yet though.
>DeS isn't great and aged poorly
I played DeS for the first time a week before 3 came out. I desperately want a PS4 port of DeS while I haven't even bought DaS3 and probably won't, one play through was enough for me.
I have
Its the only souls i haven't bothered touching NG+
Majority of Areas, bosses and weapoms suck ass
I can always spot the newfag that got his ass whooped by DeS because he was too underage and retarded to figure out how the game worked when it came out.
Das 3 you can just roll spam every boss
They even have a ring to make role spamming easier
>I never played the game
Seriously though, why do you fags overrate Bloodborne so much?
I clocked 160+ hours into this shit and it's by far my least favorite game.
But it's also not my first rodeo with Cthulhu knock-off shit, so the whole
>babbys first lovecraft reference
doesn't really sell the game on it's 'ascetic' and 'style'
>first souls game
>takes like 10 hours beat casually
>didn't NG+ it at least once before DaS was released
Okay fag.
>Demon's souls isn't that great either and aged poorly.
The games are you playing, outside of the world tendency shit DeS is fucking great.
That's a gross oversimplification, my dude. Sure, you can spam rolls but eventually you'll run out of stamina and you still can get your shit wrecked in a couple hits. You'd' be better server critiquing the sheer volume of estus they give you.
>opinions
All the Dark Souls games are good for different reasons.
>ass whooped by DeS
>bosses are slow
>bosses have obvious weakness spots
>bosses have like limited movesets
>miracles exists that can one shot a boss like firestorm
>you can even revive with half your HP
>you can literally magic by bosses redundant like anti magic
>you can have dozens and dozens of grass since they weigh nothing
Get the fuck out nigga, des is by no means difficult
I kinda like how they jam pack the best bosses all in the end. Of course the trade off being the first half of the game being such a goddamn slog because you can't have it both ways for some reason.
>That's a gross oversimplification, my dude. Sure, you can spam rolls but eventually you'll run out of stamina
This is why i know you didn't play das 3
The game is like BB where costs of stamina is low as fuck but atleast hunters are meant to be quick and agile, not fat ass knights
>you can literally magic by bosses redundant like anti magic
Nigga what?
>toilet music in the background.
Get some fucking taste faggot, DeS has great music.
Also what the fuck are you on about every boss in the series is gimmick shit, and DeS had the best gimmicks by far
why couldn't you beat it then, user?
You're dead on.
They're all phenomenal games, aside from DaS2, which is still fun.
BB might equal or exceed DeS were it not for Chalice Dungeons being terrible, gem farming being mind numbing, and pvp being comparatively weaker.
DaS is all around good, and so is DaS3, just less original.
Despite being a bit outdated, DeS just hits all the right notes. Beautiful, beautiful game.
I liked the world of Dark Souls 3 better than bloodborne but, the gameplay and enemies were a bit worse.
>Demon's souls isn't that great either and aged poorly.
>des is by no means difficult
I am aware of that.
>miracles exists that can one shot a boss like firestorm
>using memestorm
>using magic
Apparently you aren't though. You get the best shield in the game in the first area of the first world. If you can't melee your way through with that to assist you, you are incredibly retarded.
I guess im the person who really loved the base game, i liked the dlc as well though
i hope you aren't implying purple flame shield or brushwood are the best shields in the game, because it's the tower shield from 1-4
Make magic redundant
My bad
If you want an example it works on fools idols and man eaters
The Froghelm is back.
I have such an erection over froghelms. I only hope the helmet model doesn't clip into other armor sets.
"fat ass knights" can't roll spam since fat rolling leaves you vulnerable way longer than the i-frames you're trying to exploit. I'll agree that the stamina cost is too low, but it's hardly gamebreaking.
it is good, honestly, but the position it put itself in made it more of a runner-up for the worst.
>demons, dark souls, and even dark souls 2 are better rpgs.
>bloodborne is a better action game.
>its level design is barely different than dark souls 2, the only reason people think its good is because the levels are almost all short. just long enough to give someone a shortcut that makes their dick hard.
>its ANOTHER game about that fucking fire. dark souls 1 was barely able to make that interesting, and it actually involved the characters from the mythology. much like dark souls 2, ds3 relies on cycles and only gets away with it because of massive references and an aesthetic that rips off ds1.
>it's linear. frighteningly linear. if you look at bloodborne (almost entirely linear with some interchangeable and optional areas), and then ds3 (linear with a few optional areas), it paints a frighteningly linear picture of fromsoft rpgs.
dark souls 3 was proof that there's a generic "dark souls formula" that they can repaint and shit out whenever they need to. also lets clear up those baits you posted about the other games
-bloodborne was quite good before the dlc. the only reason i can think for you saying it wasnt is because you think having more weapons made it good. its weapon selection was fine before.
-the lordvessel levels are not "half" of ds1. theyre like 1/4th. and only the crystal caves and lost izalith are bad. stop falling for memes. also the dlc is overrated. it has 4 great boss battles but barely any actual level design.
-"das2 is just bad" is another meme. if you think its an outright bad game and then like demons or dark souls youre picky to the point where you shouldnt be talking about these games critically.
-demons souls is actually probably the worst one in the series in my opinion but just barely. and it does some things better than almost every game in the series. it also has the least annoying story to follow
Don't make me turn my ps3 on
See I'm just listing ways to abuse the game with its own mechanics
I have listed several other things that prove why melee is still easy in Des.
You're probably the type of guy who hypes Tower Knight like he's hard as fuck
What is it exactly that everyone likes about Dark Souls 3 out of all the other games? Because it is the newest one?
It's visuals are worse than Bloodborne's with even LESS colors. Once again, no clear or logical plot linking all 3 games besides theories and speculations. Less memorable NPC and bosses. Enemies with infinite stamina that swing all day erryday. Just a boring game in general.
Usually I can see the appeal in games but Dark Souls 3 has absolutely nothing that makes it stick other like the other games do.
Naw, bro. Nothing beats the flame shield. Tower shield takes colorless demon souls to upgrade making it inferior for a first playthrough. (plus 1-4 should probably be your last stop anyways) Plus 30 weight with a 30 str req is pretty fucked.
The DLC keeps me from saying the game is complete shit. The main game is short and kind of dull 60% of the time, coulda used more aliens and shit, and chalice dungeons I assume exist to make up for that and they do a shit job at it.
If it weren't for chalice dungeons, I would not have so much time clocked, and the sheer amount of time I have to spend doing them in order to experience the full game is insane and ruins the overall flow of the already choppy main game
What they should have done is carefully splice each DLC area into the main game to slowly reveal things as you approach the nightmares.
And then they should have fucking made the nightmare areas not shit
>Demon's souls isn't that great either and aged poorly
Everyone has one asshole, I guess.
it already is
ds3>bb>das1>des>das2
using a shield in general is fucking casual, but the point still stands, tower shield has 70GBR, the highest in the game, making it FACTUALLY the best shield
When will the Dark Souls 2 meme die? I get you tryhards like to hate on legit good games but come on, man. Only thing Dark Souls 3 has over 2 is visuals and that's a fucking given.
you're 20
>less colors
>no clear/logical plot
>less memorable
>enemies swing all day
>boring
>doesnt stick
literally none of this is an argument
>but it's hardly gamebreaking.
I'm not saying the actual character is fat
Look at BB, niggas don't even wear actual armour so it justifies why they're quick in moving
I can wear a standard knight suit in das3 and still move as quick as these fucks and the cost is low for no reason. I consider it game breaking since it ruins the PvE experience when i can just spam rolls with no problem against bosses.
Even PvP is trash when everyone is fucking rolling
Das 3 is a roll simulator
and boss fights and level design and enemy ai. Also DaS 2 had literally worse graphics than 1. Only people who like DaS2 are pvp autists.
This. That dlc sucked.
which game are you arguing is the best here then?
Because shit you're describing is pre-patch Dark Souls 1 shit
I played Bloodborne and Scholar of the First Sin in tandem with each other.
DS2 was literally more fun to play and experience
and DaS1 is a backstab simulator with enemies that have highly choreographed moves and nowhere near as good ai as 3.
Also pvp in BB is trash, and only tryhards care about Soulsborne pvp anyway. They're fun time wasters, but if pvp being busted seriously affects your enjoyment of the game, then maybe this series isn't for you.
>It's visuals are worse than Bloodborne's with even LESS colors.
I agree. It's terrible to look at and most of the environments feel same-y
>Once again, no clear or logical plot linking all 3 games besides theories and speculations
It adds a lot of new lore, and builds somewhat on the events of DaS, but it's true that it raises more questions than answers. Why was Humanity used in DaS, but DaSII had Human Effigies, and DaSIII has Embers? What the hell? Where's the consistency.
>Less memorable NPC and bosses
Ok I agree about the NPC thing, but you couldn't be more wrong about the bosses. They're some of the best in the series. Nameless King, Friede, Aldrich, Pontiff Sulyvahn...the bosses are way better than DaS' bosses.
Iron Golem, the multiple Asylum Demon's, Bed of Chaos, Ceaseless Discharge, and Pinwheel are terrible bosses. The Gargoyles are basically a regular enemy encounter but there's two of them, Gwyn was just a guy with a flame sword that could be parried to death. Sif had an amazing design and lore but he dies simply by you spamming standing underneath him. The only 2 bosses I can think of that are actually well designed on all fronts would be Artorias and Manus.
Playing it now. It's shit. The game is a fucking joke as everyone and his dog runs around in rags and roll spams like a spastic autist. The pvp fights play like utter fucking doggy diarrhea with instachugs that even insanely skilled players can't interrupt reliably and every invasion devolving into some sort of gangbang simulator.
Most of the bosses are also trash that require roll spamming and even though I have no trouble with this mechanically, it evokes a feeling of utter disgust when you try to play a knight in heavy armor and are forced to flip-flop like some fucking dexfaggot.
Overall, the game has evoked nothing but negative emotions from me.
I'll go with "things that never happened" for $100.
>using a shield in general is fucking casual
Then why would you use a heavy as fuck shield that fucks up your dodge unless you sacrifice a ring slot?
>tower shield has 70GBR
When both are fully upgraded the difference is so miniscule it isn't noticeable, despite weighing 4 times as much. The only reason to take tower is for superior magic reduc.
Nigga das 1 roll shit was never as easy to absue like das 3
>nowhere near as good ai as 3.
As expected when its like their 4 try in the series.
Doesn't change the fact its all ruined when i can spam roll, roll and roll.
I can't back stab all bosses in das 1 but das 3 every boss can be abused by the roll spam
>using a shield in general is fucking casual
Yeah, and relying on 16 (sixteen!) frames of invincibility is not. Fucking neck yourself, shitter.
you have no right to ever reply to me unless you have beaten all souls games naked at SL1/BL1 with fists only like I have.
I'm a pvp autist and I can't stand DaS2. The combat, whether you're fighting NPCs or players, is just lousy. Feels like you're wading through molasses no matter what you're doing.
DeS PvP is top tier. Invading and hunting players through levels was never so much fun.
DaS PvP needed some patches, but was solid and fun all the way.
BB PvP is unfortunately lacking. Especially disappointing when you consider how good the single player combat is.
And DaS3 PvP is solid, too. Quite a few options, good combat. And I actually like the fact that when invading, you're more likely to get someone with phantoms. At least with phantoms, the host is less likely to just stand at a bonfire.
I used to think DaS3 was the best DaS game (DeS always the best Soulsborne) until I went back and replayed DaS1, felt better in almost every way
Pontiff is only memorable because he's a Jojo reference, not because it's a good fight. His stand is the only threat. Aldrich is only memorable because he's eating Gwyndolin. He's a boring fight that's trying hard to make you think of DaS. Nameless King is neither good nor memorable.
DaS had its fair share of forgettable and bad bosses, but don't pretend DaS3 is full of amazing fights or something. It isn't.
I bought them both with my PS4, I only grabbed Scholar because it was 20 bucks.
I played BB up to Rom, then played Scholar for a solid week and got to Drangelic and beat the Sunken Crown DLC.
Then I went back to playing Bloodborne and marched through the main game with little effort until I had to start completing chalice dungeons/get the DLC before NG+
The second half of that game is a huge letdown that the DLC sort of saved, but the amount of time I spent slamming my head against the wall playing shit random dungeons filled with trash offering items and alternate weapons for no good reason, giving you little feeling of reward as you run through similar gray hallways for hours. Not to mention that depth 5 chalice dungeons break the game mechanically because I can just slap on all my moon runes and have a million souls in like 20 minutes.
It basically trivializes almost everything about the main game AND DLC. Which definitely shot me in the foot when I walked through the DLC, aside from Laurence. Didn't last long.
Then I went back and did all the end game shit for DS2 and finished both DLCs. Definitely worse than DeS/DaS, but literally every complaint I've ever read about DaS2, I felt about Bloodborne.
Demon's Souls, DaS1 and Bloodborne are the only worthwhile entries in the series.
Dark souls sequels are creatively bankrupt garbage
>beating DeS at SL1 naked with bare fists
Except there's one boss in DeS that makes that impossible because he heals faster than you can damage him.
So, a question that just came up to me.
Why do people regard AotA so highly when it's basically a retread of Darkroot Garden plus a new Tomb of Giants. Is it carried on the backs of Artorias and Manus alone?
Why is BB single-player combat better though? You have fewer options for just about everything. Fewer builds, fewer weapons, fewer stats, fewer pieces of armor and the most forgiving rolls, dodges and parries in the series.
lol, did we play the same game?
just put on havels ring and dark wood grain and go to town in full plate. Before they nerfed it anyways.
What does interactivity have to do with videogames?
3 is honestly one of the weakest, franchise fatigue coupled with some odd decisions really weigh the game down.
>It's only worth playing if it's COMPLETELY FUCKING ORIGINAL
That's rich, considering that all the games feature NG+ as part of the expected runthrough. Face it, you stupid piece of shit, you're screaming that LUCKY CHARMS FUCKING SUCKS BECAUSE I ATE LUCKY CHARMS YESTERDAY AND IT WAS DELICIOUS.
The autism levels it takes to hate DaS3 because it's derivative of DaS, and makes multiple references to it -- it's astounding. It's a wonder you don't stop BREATHING because, guess what, fucker? You were BREATHING ALL LAST YEAR. Change things up a bit!
Piece of shit fruitcake fucker.
>I think ds 2 had better pvp
That that happened through a shit ton of patches. Unpatched dark souls 2 pvp is completely different(infinite stunlocks and so on) from the fully patched version. This can still happen for dark souls 3. You never know. Poise got changed a lot.
>he doesn't know how to stop leechmonger's regeneration
lmao casual
>And DaS3 PvP is solid
>gank squads
>people just spamming roll
The bosses were good but there's no variety. Gundyr, Pontiff, Dancer, Dragonslayer Armour, Nameless King's 2nd phase, Soul of Cinder, and Lorian were all basically the same thing
But I agree outside TOH From is not good at bosses. Actually even Laurence was pretty lame, just a cleric beast rehash with crazy damage output
Please tell me how a naked SL1 with bare fists stops his regen, faggot.
>Poise is fucked so no need for heavy armor
You need good poise to have effective hyper armor though.
There's a windmill near his boss fog, where if you burn it with a torch then it stops the regen effect he has.
>pls spoonfeed me
git gud retard, or learn to use google
The problem is that it's both derivative and worse. It's more like disliking off-brand cereal compared to the genuine thing.
>j-just use a weapon!
>I-I don't know, j-just use google
I'm guessing that your solution is to summon a phantom and watch him stop the hp regen, because that's how you've always done it.
>mfw I like them all and nobody can stop me
Gameplay-wise, it's pretty great, but there was too much nostalgia pandering. It's the Souls equivalent of TFA
>pvp autist
>not liking the best, balanced with the most viable stuff in pvp
>not liking hueg amount of unique weapons WITH ACTUALLY unqiue moveset
>liking DaS pvp
>DeS is only good for invading and bullying while being broken as fuck
fucking retard.
>most liner level design yet
Maybe the WORLD design, but not the levels themselves. Only the forest on the fallen giants from dark souls 2 has anything on the cathedral of the deep in dark souls 3. More stuff to explore in dark souls 3 levels compared to dark souls 2 and often dark souls 1.
>>lore that is nothing but "lol member DaS1 you loved DaS1 right?!"
Well it's a direct sequel lorewise I guess. This never really bothered me in dark souls 2 either. The main difference is that dark souls 2 did a very bad job at it like the Ornstein boss. Dark souls 2 had some really neat side stories though.
>torches are weapons
You're a fucking idiot, no wonder you never completed a SL1 fists only run. lmao@(You)