He loses all he built and loved because of some fucktard scientist and cipher

>He loses all he built and loved because of some fucktard scientist and cipher.
>Not only does he lose his army but he loses his arm and leg aswell.
>Know his best friend is in a coma for 9 years.
>Left to rot with sand niggers in Afghanistan to protect his best friend.
>He knows that the real big boss is still out there.
>He doesn't care, still helps ahab establish the DD and exact revenge.
>Even when confronted with killing Skullface with his bare hands he chooses to let Skullface commit suicide.
>He did this all since he respected Big Boss's will.
Miller lived a hard life.

>>Not only does he lose his army but he loses his leggy as well

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Is he actually blind?

>Was later killed by the little shit he had to deal with roaming around motherbase

But it's suspected that he was killed by Ocelot himself.

Nope. He just suffer from some kind of a disease that fucks up his eye vision when they are exposed to UV rays.
That's why he always wear sunglasses.

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That's some kind of metaphor bullshit, because he never is seen acting like a blind man.
He is always facing people he is talking with and he is even able dismantle some nigger kid who is pointing a gun at him.

Haven't played MGS outside 5 in a few years, but I don't remember that implication. That's honestly even worse though.
>Killed by one of the very few men you ever considered friends.

disarm*

A lot of his body language in cutscenes seems to imply he still has some vision, though I suppose he could just be doing so instinctively. I figure he probably has very poor, legally blind vision.

Does anyone in the MGS series end up living a decent life?
Snake, Liquid, Raiden, Venom, Miller, Big Boss, The Boss, Huey, Solidus just to name a few end up leading terrible lives, or at least end their lives on bad terms.

Did you listen to truth tapes after the end of MGSV? That's basically it. They say that they would kill each other in the end.
Miller took Solid Snake, Ocelot took Liquid Snake.
I think that it's heavily implied that Ocelot is the one who killed him, but hey, it's just an implication. No proofs.
It could be some kind of random assassin sent by Liquid.

Well, by MGR Otacon became a chad

kek

And other than getting culturally enriched by a nigglet and Jar Jar Bings, Sunny is living a pretty successful life doing what she likes.

>dismantle some nigger kid
tee hee

Yeah but Miller help train Solid Snake and Snake saves the world so he won in the long.

And unless it can somehow be retconned; Miller was the embodiment of a Hallmark postcard in MG2, he was pretty chill and happy and just wanted to send good vibes to Snake while he was doing his mission.

I think acid snake gets to live normally in the end?

You mean Big Boss train Snake.

Miller trained him first tho. Big Boss didn't get a hold of him until after the gulf war.

Meryl and Johnny (hopefully) had a happy marriage

you're the only nigger here cunt

This, Miller says at the post-credit that he will train both Big Boss's Phantom and Sons to send him to hell. Big Boss only met David as an adult it seems, in a ceremony where the boi got some medals for his efforts in the Gulf War.

Also as much as Metal Gear 2 is crippled by retcons nowadays, it's still neat to think now how in a radio call Miller calls Big Boss 'a monster'.

Until he shits the bed.

Until the Big Boss fight when Miller cracks and calls Big Boss a monster and tells Snake to murder him.

And yet he betrays Big Boss for no good reason whatsoever in order to fit with a future plot the series has to follow.

>waaaah Big Boss is somewhere else and he didn't take me
>yeah but he did that to protect himself and raise an army for you to help him with later
>I DON'T CARE I HAVE NO ONE TO BAREBACK WRESTLE IN THE SHOWERS WITH ANYMORE

Big Boss would have saved the world decades ago if Snake didn't fuck it up.

At that point Big Boss didn't give a shit about the world, he only wanted to perpetuate war.

Big Boss really was a monster, just look at Sniper Wolf. Wolf talks about how awful her life was until her hero "Saladin" came and saved her from that world. But what you don't realized is that it was probably Big Boss himself that started the war zones there in the first place so he can take the children for his own personal war against Zero.

His entire plan would have destroyed the Patriots then in there.
Instead they had control for a few more decades and now the world is even worse than it would have been. MGR and partially 4 show this.

>His entire plan would have destroyed the Patriots then in there.
How exactly?

Because as the Big Boss games point out, destroying the Patriots (or what the Patriots were at the time) was his goal the entire time. Solid Snake was a pawn sent in to stop anything that was ultimately opposing them until he pretty much accidentally destroyed them in 4.

It was his goal but how was he going to achieve it? Starting more wars, killing more families of children and taking those children turning them into soldier just so they can go die in another war? What was his ace in the hole to stopping the Patriots? I know someone must know this question.

Sometimes I forget how suddenly bad Big Boss was in Metal Gear 1 and 2 simply because even in Phantom Pain he (or the literal equivalent of him) was still an angel.

>"you're a demon too!"
>he says even though you've rescued child soldiers that you are not allowed to kill and have done absolutely nothing bad

He was in a war against the Patriots, but not because he thought they were an evil that needed to be stopped.

Big Boss wanted to create an economy based on war that was rigged in his favor, and a world for soldiers like points out.
And that's pretty much the reason why he is so accepting of his death in MGS4. He acknowledged his mistakes and realized that the world would be better off without him.

Well he trained one of the only legitimately good-willed people in the series so it wasn't all bad

>he didn't kill animals (including DD), Quiet, crippled Soviet soldier and then executing them, left every child (that was possible) in African warzones, burn every prisoner and then went on to your own daughter mercenary companies to start killing their guards and stealing their shit to fuel even more conflict
You brought it on yourself.

He should have become a villain.

Because acting that extreme clearly isn't canon. Otherwise killing child soldiers would be fine and other scripted events would be different. Plus it's not the way they game encourages you to play.

Meryl and Johnny, Otacon somewhat.

He should have. His motivations for betraying Big Boss are nonexistent.

The game encourages you to play as you wish. That's like the whole point of you being the Big Medic and making your own story. And I was having my revenge against the world that wanted me dead. Eye for an eye.

I did the MGS games 1-4, then V.

And I found myself wondering what changed Big Boss from when he went into the coma during Zanzibar Land and when he woke up from that coma to see Solid Snake in the graveyard.

Are you supposed to play Peace Walker to find out what the fuck is going on as to Big Boss's motivations?

I know MGS4 just utterly shit the bed with that last massive cutscene in the cemetery and it would just be better if we all pretended it didn't happen.

So why does he turn on venom?

Venom was clearly building up to be a shitstirrer but being called a demon is quite the exaggeration.

Aside from the fact big boss used him.

Big Boss is not really written consistently because Kojima kept changing his mind about how he wanted the character after making him a villain in MG1 and 2.

>big boss' first decision after waking up from a coma is to use one of his loyal men as a decoy and let miller rot in an afghanistani prison
Gee I wonder why Miller is none too happy with him.

Just Kojimbles fanfic-tier writing.

He needed to retcon everything and the shitshow that MGSV was came as a result.

jesus christ you dumb fucks

the light receptors in his eyes are damaged because he had a bright UV light shined in his eyes for a week, but he's not blind

>The game encourages you to play as you wish
>get worse score and ranking for playing loudly or killing lots
>get worse heroism for kills and raising alarms, which is important for good staff volunteers
>get less staff for killing potential staff members, meaning worse equipment
>Playing loud is difficult in the sense that you are easily killable
>layout of outposts and guard posts is designed for stealth along with most of the game's mechanics
>in cutscenes and scripted outcomes, Big Boss is a saint
You're really grasping here.

You have to remember the part about Big Boss also being in a coma is still true so he wasn't available to save Miller. He wasn't using Miller, but he knew he was too infamous to stick around and needed a cover. He let Venom save Miller because as the ending shows he had faith in Venom and finds him important enough to consider him Big Boss along with him.
Ocelot tried explaining this to Miller but he refused to listen.

Big Boss is a legendary soldier that everyone is in awe of, no matter how good Big Medic was, sending a subordinate in to rescue Miller is insulting. Miller was unimportant enough to Big Boss that he didn't even deign to rescue him himself, this after 9 years of trying to keep Big Boss's legacy alive and hoping he'd return.

He had literally no time to go in and save Miller after XOF tried to kill him and "him," plus it risked Medic stumbling in and finding out he wasn't the real Big Boss if they were in such close proximity.

I think what pissed them off is that neither venom or miller were given a choice. Big Boss forced it on them. Ocelot agreed to it.

>pissed "them" off
Venom had no problem with it. He's clearly into it when Big Boss is giving him the speal on the tape.
The part where it turns bloody and angry is supposedly right before he goes to fight Solid Snake, probably angry that he got so far.

There's no reason Big Medic had to be sent to Afghanistan in the first place if Big Boss went in to save Miller. Why not just save Miller and brief him on the plan to establish Outer Heaven while Miller and Medic run interference? Big Boss placed so little value on Miller, he didn't care if he lived or died.

Venom shouldn't have a problem with it since he's a proxy for the player and he's being told that he's Big Boss just as much as the original is.

I don't know why people seem to hate that so much, its basically the opposite message of the end of MGS2, acknowledging the collaboration between the player and developer in the story of a game rather than mocking the player for just following a predetermined path created by the developer.

>There's no reason Big Medic had to be sent to Afghanistan in the first place
Besides all the other shit going on there that they're trying to track down and stop, along with the fact that most of their side jobs come from there or Africa.
If Big Boss truly didn't care he would have told Ocelot not to tell Miller period, but he clearly wanted Miller around in the future if he wanted him filled in.

It blows my mind how many career changes these guys in Metal Gear go through. The bosses are always doing one thing but the leaders are just fucking doing it all.

One guy was the fucking President. Like, consider the several jobs he had to do to get to that point. Then he becomes a mercenary leader. And god knows what he'd do after he won.

Look at Ocelot. NSA agent, Spetznaz, CIA and KGB spy, Patriot founder, mujaheddin trainer, babysitting guy in a coma, mercenary leader/trainer, Russian Special Ops/spy, mercenary leader. He goes from working a desk to being in the field to leader people to being back in the field to founding one of the greatest organizations the world has ever known, then goes back to being a grunt, then being a spy, then being a leader.

I can't imagine what sorts of jobs these guys turn down. They are important enough for a biography but probably don't stay in one place long enough for people to realize what the fuck they've done in their lives.

Honestly, the whole "Ocelot was Adam" thing doesn't make sense, considering he was only 20 in Snake Eater, he would have had to be an experienced codebreaker for the NSA at like, 15

Or they could have just taken Big Medic to Diamond Dogs HQ to recover and get used to his new body while Big Boss saved Miller, then send Big Medic into Afghanistan once Big Boss is safely in hiding. If Big Medic gets curious about who rescued Miller, just say it was Ocelot.

Miller's rescue was a fucking training mission. Of course Miller wouldn't be pleased about his life being treated so casually.

He wasn't angry about that though. The only thing he gets angry about at the end of the game is that Big Boss is somewhere else.

Wasn't it established that Ocelot was kidnapped by the Philosophers as a baby and trained by their camps? Assuming thats anything like the Patriot training camps, a codebreaker at 15 isn't unlikely at all. Look at Sunny.

Yeah its silly, but I'm not sure I'd call it inconsistent.

Ocelot's entire gimmick is he is a traitor to everyone who isn't Big Boss, so it makes sense he'd be with so many different people temporarily.

>The part where it turns bloody and angry is supposedly right before he goes to fight Solid Snake, probably angry that he got so far.
Supposedly 10 years later and hasn't aged a day.

I get your point but some children are just accelerated beyond ordinary reckoning.

In my first year of college I was 18. One of my best friends I made in first year was 15 at the time and I didn't find out until we graduated. Like, we went out for birthday parties and I just never asked him how old he was - I mean who the fuck cares when you're in college. It turns out that everyone had friends +/- 5 years their own age.

>got shanked in alaska and died offscreen

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>implying Konami/Kojima wrote anything sensibly in V
The background, the labels on the walls, and the name of the tape's other side all show this, even if he looks the same.

Then why the fuck does he try to kill him so often in Snake Eater?

Laziness.

He messes up on purpose every single time to save face. He was Adam and the original informant, he was on Snake's side since the very start.

It's fine that it's his whole deal about being the ultra ruse-master spy. But it's not just him, EVERYONE is like that. The Boss, Big Boss, Miller, and Solidus.

I get it, it's fucking Kojima.

But just sitting down and thinking about it I wonder if people like that exist. And I don't mean polymaths or just savants. These men are just over-achievers. They probably don't even have time to get drunk or even take a weekend off.

Like, could you imagine what Ocelot would be like at a party or having coffee? What the fuck would he let himself talk about? He probably knows better than anyone that an obsession with western films is not a conversation that's going to go anywhere. I seriously can't imagine him going to a rodeo and chilling.

You can either argue he wasn't REALLY trying to kill Snake, or that his honor as a warrior and rivalry with Snake took precedence

kind of like how The Boss was supposed to let Snake kill her, but still insisted on a final fight to the death with him. And no, she didn't throw that fight, you're a fucking retard if you think she did

I like to go with the former because Ocelot isn't an idiot, he wouldn't be a codebreaker and top general in the Soviet Army if he was an idiot, and yet against Snake he acts like the biggest idiot on the planet jamming his gun and forgetting he used up all of his bullets.

I think Ocelot in Snake Eater, in spite of being a highly capable soldier and covert agent, is very much still a kid.

He clearly thinks he's the coolest guy doing cool things. But he's not cool at all. Everyone humors him because he happens to be ridiculously competent if you ignore the whole trying too hard to be cool thing.

I'm not too sure. He was used to using revolvers the whole time, hence why, as Snake points out, he compensates for recoil in the way you do with revolvers, which can be interpreted as he was using a different gun to stick with the ruse.

Even if he was being a kid he'd have to know the basics of firearms to get where he was.

He is metaphorically blind. "A Visionary robbed of his Future"

>get S ranks just run&gunning through almost any map
>heroism means shit, you can steal/get better staff from FOBs
>Getting staff is literally the easiest thing to get after getting GMP
>Playing loud is difficult in the sense that you are bad at the game
>Have you ever gone to high level FOB and just killed everyone including the reinforcements? Outposts mean shit
>Can't argue with the cutscenes. Then again it really tarnishes your saintly visage when you are black and red with all the blood on you that won't wash away.

I mean sure there are easy ways to do things and there is braindead ways to do things like reflex mode + DD as a buddy. But with all the toys and assets given to you you can complete the game in almost any way you want and none of them are wrong. Heck once you get Quiet you can pretty much complete the game without ever pressing the fire button again. You can be a spotter and just let the Diamond Dogs bombard everything. You can assault outposts with tanks. You can go full Vulcan Raven and just gun every thing down with LMG, aim for the No traces in any map it is possible. Play all tacticool. Call in sandstorms whenever and be a dustdevil stabbing guards. The single player story is so piss easy that limiting yourself just to a single playstyle is nothing but stupid.

>get S ranks just run&gunning through almost any map
Only possible if you do enough optional mission tasks and most require stealth or nonlethal
>heroism means shit, you can steal/get better staff from FOBs
That's not until much later into the game, and if you're "playing how you want" still and assuming you're playing the same as you have been the entire game, you wont get staff because they'll be dead on the FOB
>Playing loud is difficult in the sense that you are bad at the game
No, the game is not designed for it at all, but you've probably never played enough to ever be against any high ranking FOB to see this.
>Have you ever gone to high level FOB and just killed everyone including the reinforcements? Outposts mean shit
No because that's inferior to stealthing FOBs because you get more and better rewards for doing so

Ocelot was kidnapped by the philosophers.