Can we just delete arc warden?

I'm sure no one will even consider the idea and maybe just laugh at it. But i'm going to post it anyways, and tell you the reasons why this hero sucks so much and should be either completely reworked like skeleton king or just deleted (which is not gonna happen).

1. Weak af, really, it's not going to be the last time someoen mentions arc warden got nerfed to hell, but really, what bothers me is that his abilities are just plain BORING regardless of how strong or weak, that's the whole theme of this hero, being boring af, his "sentry" attack is lame and creeps deny it, his slow spell it's supposed to do damage but it's so unnoticeable and the slow it's really poor imo, his ultimate it's nothing short of pathetic and situational at best and his magic cage in which he can "save" heroes it's way too small and serves no purpose when it doesn't make attacks miss most of the time considering the size of it and that most enemies will just go out of the attack range of the hero that's inside the cage until the duration ends.

2. But what whe cannot fix is how utterly boring the hero's lore is, really, just see the fucking comic and the only thing we have arc warden to thank for it's making Zeus no longer look like a pedophile, his story revolves around being a third fragment of the ancients and not being able to understand pronouns, how exciting... Not to mention the utter lack of skins he has due to the millons of players and the hundres of talented artits in the workshop not giving a single fuck about him to begin with, at least the argument with Viper is that he has little skin ideas that don't revolve around adding armor to his wings and face which i'm cool with, i'm all about quality skins.

Link to the comic for reference: dota2.com/balanceofpower

Now go, and tell me how much of a naive piece of shit i am for suggesting to just "delete" a hero, i will however reply to any insight on the subject or productive coment that you may have.

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but he look cool

I heavily disagree man, what can we do?

close your eyes

I need to see to play the game, not really a solution.

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I stopped playing dota because I felt like a lab rat that had been conditions to like numbers going up and the sound of gold coins jingling. With the exception of drugs, I think there are no more potent skinner boxes than dota.

Picture unrelated, it was taken at the Berkeley protests.

delete spectre while we are at it, tired of people picking her in pub games

I loved him pre-nerf

All the stuff you could do with dagon, etheral, midas, necro, etc. all the item play was a fresh breath of air to the dull gameplay

all his abilities synergized well with items as well as other heroes too, he was just fun

Then the typical nerf that made him fucking useless while pub games still get dominated by braindead shit

How did they nerf him? I remember everyone complaining he was broken as shit

I think they called it a "rework" instead but it was really terrible

Ult cooldown and duration got nerfed into the dirt and it gives 180 gold when people kill it (fucking atrocious gameplay changes)

Flux got shafted with shorter range and its dispellable now as well

Its just miserable to play him with all the gimping

Yes exactly. If you're gonna have a dull boring hero, make it useful or just get rid of it.

Nigga you even read the whole post?, never had a problem with spectre btw, i win at every game the enemy picks her, so you need to get gud.

>Caring about LORE
>In ASSFAGGOTS
HAHAHAHAAHAAHHA

>Increase movement speed
>Flux is now an AOE the size of magnetic field
>Magnetic field now gives the evasion to ranged and melee attacks
>Tempest double is now a flat 15 seconds but he gets 2 clones at max rank or with an aghs

Last one is probably broken but I think that should be a gentle enough push to where he can at least be a fun pick if not competitive.

Caring about a fucking dead meme and posting it as a reply.

You think this is childporn we're speeking of?, No, people like the lore they want to like.

Really what kind of reponse is "kek"?, you must be heavily retarded.

Why even bother bringing up any changes to DOTA anymore.

They killed it with 7.0, give it a year and DOTA 2 will reach TF2's level of unplayable.

I haven't played for a year or two. What has Valve ruined?

7.0 is fun af user made me come back after a year of not playing.


Also I find Arc Warden and Oracle to both be this weird set of heroes who I never ever see played since their release

>le 7.0 is bad meme
is this just the one guy? or are there really multiple people that think this

I was thinking more like,

>Magnetic field is now the ultimate the size of ancient apparition's. and enemies move slower inside, can only be used in close range.

>Give him a passive that makes... anything really, there's no hero that can't be improved by a creative passive, and replace spark wraith with that.

>No but seriously replace/rework spark wraith, i cannot express how bad that spell is, makes me feel bad for the son of a bitch.

We can agree on somethingg at least

>mfw remembering how broken oracle was on release
>mfw nobody in my pubs could be assed to learn how he worked or what he did
>mfw played him exclusively for weeks
that was such a magical time

what
I'm having a blast and I've played since 2011

I stopped playing around 2015 and only watched tournies

the UI bigs me though, I'm not a fan of minimalism.

Theres an item in lol that sends 2 ghosts to the nearest enemies maybe sparwraith could be turned into that that deal a decent bit of damage but on a high cooldown or just keep spark wraith and this new ability making kinda discount techies?

Same deal with this mothefuka, love to play him to this day, with friends, that is, it sucks in pubs.

7.0 was fucking trash. 7.02 is much more palatable, but seriously, fuck 7.00. It felt like 5v5 Overthrow and ran like 10v10 IMBA.

Really? I loved dota from beta till now but the huge ass UI always bugged me.

Or we can stop comparing this magnificent but flawed game with peasants LoL, on a serious note, his ulti should be downgraded to a normal spell and remove the dual item usage, that's too much to ever be able to balance.

And before you say that's what makes the hero unique... It's not, it's the fucking fishead and the see-3-miles-away cape what makes him stand out.

Replacing the stat upgrades with a talent system

wot?
Does it work? Or is most things shit with everyone going the same path?

It works well but yes most games you will go down the same path as the last game.

That actually made the game more interesthing imo, but like, sometimes the alternative to +6 treants it's some useless garbage like 200+ health at lvl 25.

Im exaggerating of course.

(Not the case in picture, i main SB and you choose depending on wether you're losing (speed) or winning (17% bash chance))

Neat.
Any crazy metas that have changed?

Most hero trees are pretty set in stone with minor variations. Some are pretty meh, others are gamechanging.

Ember is now played as a magic damage dealer. he has more magic burst potential than pretty much anyone, and gets a talent that gives him 12% spell amp at level 10. At level 20 he gets 15% cooldown reduction, and at level 25 he can make his flaming bolas last an extra 2 seconds, resulting in 5 second roots that deal 500 + spell amp damage (usually around 30%) on a 6.8 second cooldown.
He also builds Octarine now.
His ult does 900 damage before modifiers at level 3 if he uses all 3 Remnants.

It's pretty fuckin dumb, honestly.

i love this hero but icefrog just fucking dont know how to balance it

>best 2nd skill by far. nobody can touch you inside the field and you juggle through your double to maximize the duration
>just a glorified atkspd buff and when enemies closes in on you youre fucked
>very good 1st skill that can harass really early
>the skill was gimped to the point its retarded.
>double is short as fuck and doesnt reset item cooldown upon summoning
>add insult to injury, add gold when enemies kill it

its deliberately telling your enemy to win in the game

Dude just... play the game, pubs now uses the same picking phase as ranked, so you can ban riki or huskar or whoever is giving you trouble. It's amazing now.

Weaver and Chaos Knights are good supports
Ember Spirit is the best magic nuker in the game
Crystal Maiden counters Storm Spirit
Rod of Atos is finally good because it's a 2 second root.
Roots are ridiculously strong because they prevent almost all mobility skills and items from being used.
Carry Omni is an actual thing
Lich has a level 20 talent that gives him 150 bonus damage
And a level 25 talent that gives him a free skadi slow on right clicks
Skadi is no longer a UAM so Viper, Anti Mage and Silencer can buy Skadi now, greatly improving their late game potential
Anti Mage got an Aghs that's a permanent Lotus Orb and Linkens Sphere on a 12 second cooldown.

This. Also while we're at it, what's the difference between roots and stuns?, i know you can deal damage while rooted (I think) but like, it's kind of weird.

Sorta?

Some roots disarm, like Crystal Maidens, but you can still cast spells. Other roots like Ember's you can still right click through, you just can't move.

roots make you unable to move your hero
stuns knocks out your hero and youre unable to do anything

Dd they change it again? I could have sworn that was only ranked all pick you could ban in

That's what buggs me, there doesn't seem to be an exact definition, a stun is a stun but a root can be a stun but more powerful depending on who uses it?

Roots never prevent spells, a few also disarm, but most don't. Most items can still be used while rooted, although blink daggers are disabled while rooted now.

Yeah, they changed it today, permanently i hope, they tried it last weekend everyone loved it, removed it and added it again.

The only flaw i see is if you are actually trying to get good at a hero like Dendi: Pudge people will ban it because it's so overused, even if you're not using him because you have no skill, kind of unfair, i would only remove the ban thing.

Why would you turn Makoto into Lina?
Fuck you.

There should be a bar that tell you you're also disarmed, because i recall having problems understanding this when i was starting the game.

git gud

Or just read enemy spell descriptions.

Of course, all 118 of them. Git Gud works to a extent, what if you just dont see the origin of the root?

Was it Atos?
Was it Ember?
Was it Crystal?

Obviously im exaggeratiing again because the game gives clues when you're rooted, like CM's Ice feet when she gets you. But you're being dense.

Well, gg, that's it for the post, no more replies so far. Changing my name now to user.

It's literally just learning the game man. I remember what all the roots in the game look like and whether or not they disarm. It's not hard, there's only around a dozen roots even.

Roots
Lone Druid Bear
Oracle
Ember Spirit
Rod of Atos
Techies Stasis Trap
Troll Summoner
Meepo
Naga Siren
Underlord

Roots that Disarm
Treant Ult
Crystal Maiden
The new ancient camp I can't remember the name of

It's not hard m8

Ty m8, also it's the centaur camp, you can use helm of the dominator on the blue centaur, hide him in enemy forest, and call him to stun your enemies.

(nvm that was the purple centaur things not the blue one those are ancients so you can't dominate them but you can the blue ones, but you can still use that strategy next time :D)

t. 2k shitters

>Roots never prevent spells
root prevents all move spells. Like Blink or Blink strike.