Lucio PTR Changes

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So what's new with black roller skater?

What is it?

He got nerfed, changing his playstyle for the worse :c

His "playstyle" was "be anywhere within the same country as my allies and occasionally bump someone, then invalidate all positioning for both teams by speed boosting the entire team"

Shit playstyle desu, basically a bot

I think it will be so much more fun to play the brazilian bobsled man now

>That wallride speed

VERY_fast_hue_traveling_at_incredibly_hihg_speeds.jpg

Oh just another nigger story

>(we)

Can I get a quick rundown on the BR's PTR state

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domo arigatou mista roboto

Hes going to still be OP as fuck, just in a different way

He may have less team impact overall but with the increased healing and wall ride speed hes going to be nearly impossible to kill

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WOOLZ SIMULATOR.

it's called aiming......

The changes are great. It encourages the team to stay closer to Lucio and helps coordination through mechanics and visuals. Lucio's mile long radius had its function but wasn't very interesting and presented a big balancing issue. Any small changes to his mechanics more or less could affect a spread-out team. By reducing the radius, they can try to amp his healing back up to decent levels without locking him back into tier A.
Sonic Amplifier
Projectile speed increased from 40 to 50
Alternate fire now considers vertical orientation when knocking targets back
Crossfade
Song's area-of-effect radius decreased from 30 meters to 10 meters
A temporary in-game visual has been added to illustrate this radius (it is only visible to Lúcio and his teammates)
Heal Song
Healing-per-second has been increased by 50% (also applies to Lúcio's Amp It Up ability)
Sound Barrier
Radius decreased from 30 meters to 20 meters
Wall Ride
Movement speed increased by 30% when wall riding
Lúcio now receives a burst of speed when leaping off a wall

I just want more self-knockback for pharah's rocket, so I can actuallly pogo.

Songs are more powerful but range is limited to 10 meters instead of 30.

You get a fuck-ton more speed by wall-riding, it's ridiculous.

You can now boop people vertically properly.

Basically his skill floor and skill ceiling were both increased, he's buffed but you need to actually get good to be good with him instead of simply existing and not dying.

>nerf lucio
>still gets picked in comp
>buff lucio
>still gets picked in comp

Blizzard are fucking dire at balancing

...

At least he's more interesting now

>buff his wall ride considerably
>reduce his effect radius so much that it makes wall riding useless because you now have to stand in the middle of the team blob to have an effect
it just feels so counter intuitive. you rarely get a chance to even use the sweet new wall ride because you gotta stand in the middle of the team fight to cover all of your buddies

They buffed his heal pretty substantially but I think needing to be in close vicinity for it to work is actually quite a change, he can't hang back or support the whole team around him, has to group up.

>implying the goal of patches is to make certain heroes nonviable in comp

well that's a lot of changes but it seems more fun.

>It encourages the team to stay closer to Lucio and die very fast to AoE attacks
Lucio was good because he could heal the whole team without them clumping together

And besides, it won't happen the way you think, what'll happen is everything will stay the same, except Lucio will have to run up to anyone he wants to heal.

do you have any idea why the balance in games like dota is so interesting? because the dev team looks at the pick rates, looks at the data, and can easily see which heroes need tuning and which need buffs. if a hero is not getting picked then you buff them, if a hero is getting an abnormal rate of picks then you nerf them to bring them in line with everyone else. so why the fuck are they buffing lucio when he's been a must pick since launch? blizz don't know what the fuck they are doing and this game is shit

As long as he has the speed boost mechanic where no other hero does, he will be a must pick regardless of how they change him.

All my wallriding practice will finally have paid off

Do the devs even play their game? The whole point of Lucio being used to all is because he can heal from distance. Making him being the closest of the healers means hes going to be the first to die immediately. Plus the wall movement means nothing (except getting back to the fight when you inevitably die from these changes) since you have to be so close to people.

I'm just glad the Bastion nerf is going through on Tuesday. Ana and Lucio are really fucking good but they never felt straight fucked up like that last buff Bastion got. Don't know how Blizz took this long to realize it.

These changes actually seem pretty great! Encourages Lucio to stick with his team, is now a better but more localized healer, better boop, better maneuverability.

Frankly I think this'll make him a more interesting character to use now.

It's not counter-intuitive at all, your heal/speed boost have a strict radius and now you'll need that additional maneuverability to get to players that are outside of your area of effect.

Do you even play the game? The whole point of Lucio being used at all is because of speed boost.

I think you people are drastically underestimating how painful those radius nerfs are gonna be. The speed buffs are cute and all, but there's no doubt in my mind that when all is said and done, Lucio is going to have a much weaker impact on the game.

And lets not forget
>now has to run between teammates, attracting attention to himself
Lucio just got nerfed into the ground, he's basically a troll pick now

NOT FOR HIMSELF DIPSHIT

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!

>Encourages Lucio to stick with his team
No it's pretty fucking terrible, everything that Lucio is has been thrown out the window

Now he's a mercy without a good ult and no damage boost

So what now? That's 99% of the characters in the shitter?

How is the game even fun to play anymore?

Lucio has been a 95%+ pick rate across all game modes, maps, and team comps since the fucking beta. If a game wants to have a healthy and diverse meta it cannot have one or two characters be must-picks since it automatically reduces a player slot and limits design space.

We'll see what these changes do and if they are big enough to nerf Lucio, Blizzard should focus on Reinhardt next.

All this did for the meta was remove Lucio and replace him with Mercy since she has better range than him and a better kit

>The whole point of Lucio being used to all is because he can heal from distance.

Sup Forums not knowing anything about video games. It never gets old.

The meta hasn't settled down yet.
And regardless, taking him out of the meta isn't a bad thing while they try to figure out what to do with him since he's been a must pick since June of last year.

>He got nerfed, changing his playstyle for the worse
Shit Lucio detected. The only thing Lucio's changes do is separate the mouth breathing retards from the people who actually know how to play Lucio. His wallride boosts and faster "bullet" travel give him a huge boost and the decreased radius of his healing/ult only make it so you actually need to stay close to your teammates which good Lucios already do/know how to do.

>:c
>>>/reddit/

>taking him out of the meta isn't a bad thing
Yes it fucking is, because replacing one problem with another doesn't fix anything.

>All this did for the meta was remove Lucio and replace him with Mercy since she has better range than him and a better kit

Shut up nerd. Lucio and Mercy don't even perform the same role. Mercy was competing with Ana. And compete is a strong word considering Ana was far and away the preferred pick. Lucio/Zen were off heals.

i never knew woolz was a player lol

Lucio has been a problem for over a year, it's time for Blizzard to admit they fucked up and take him out.

As for Mercy, as I said the meta hasn't settled yet so you can't make the claim that she's going to be 100% pick like he was. Personally, I doubt she'll ever be at that level again unless her rez gets reverted to old levels.

>nerf a character's bread and butter (i.e the reason they're used and the central design of their character) into the fucking dirt
>add in a bunch of unneeded bullshit to their kit so it's "balanced"
>character is now shit but distracts the shitters with stupid gimmicks, making the character's kit an unfocused mess

Classic Blizzard design

>People think Lucio competes with Mercy for a character slow

You 1000 rank shitters are so cute. Lucio competes with Zen and Ana competes with Mercy. As character balance gets better perhaps the lines will blur.

Lucio's role is group healer
Mercy's role is single target healer and reviver

Lucio's role is going to be single-double target at least healer

he has been fucking ruined
>all these fags screaming about how he's "better" now
You only think he's better because until these changes you've been able to move around freely while supporting your team, not anymore.

If you move around like you used to, you're going to be a fucking anchor to the team, a -1 until you either stick to someone to switch.

don't post my waifu in this disgusting board, faggot

Spoken like a player that can't break out of Silver.

being good won't make your team get within 10 meters
inb4 bronzie insists on going to them, leaving other teammates without a healer

>Lucio's role is going to be single-double target at least healer
Maybe in low elo? High elo and pro play always groups teams together aside from the flankers/harassers and for them not having a consistent heal from across the fucking map is a much needed balance.

>Mercy
>better kit

>Having worst girl as your waifu
Not my problem, cuck.

>literally randomly came up in my playlist 2 seconds before I saw this thread

PSI STARSTOOOORM

t. silver

> what'll happen is everything will stay the same, except Lucio will have to run up to anyone he wants to heal.
fucking this

did none of you fags play tf2, people are going to lone wolf as usual

>The whole point of Lucio being used to all is because he can heal from distance

t. plat shitter

you actually need to be good to play him now, instead of just standing around with a massive aura. you had to be in the spawn room to not be buffing your team with the old radius

>High elo and pro play always clump together so they're an easy target for any kind of AoE

>Lucio's new heal
>short range continuous healing
>Mercy's heal
>medium range fast targeted healing

>Rest of Lucio's kit
>A speed boost that will only be useful for an even shorter period
>Ultimate mitigates a little bit of damage

>Rest of Mercy's kit
>30% damage boost
>Complete revival of 1-5 teammates

top kek
please be bait

>The only thing Lucio's changes do is separate the mouth breathing retards from the people who actually know how to play Lucio.

No, it doesn't. It makes him objectively weaker as a support. Do you think the pro's didn't take advantage of Lucio's massive heal radius?

>you actually need to stay close to your teammates which good Lucios already do/know how to do.

No, the good Lucio's are currently staying as far away from their teammates as possible so they can use Sound Barrier in case the enemies start popping ults.

holy maximum bait
t. Bronze sub 1k MMR
Lucio wasn't used for his heal at all, which proves you know literally nothing about the current meta

>speed boost from wallriding means no more faggot lucios spamming wallride around the center pillar of control points

Buzzwords! Get your buzzwords here!

>Lucio most popular healing support isn't used for his heal at all

This can easily be fixed by changing how control points work
>instead of standing on any surface inside the control point, you have to actually be standing in the red circle

I went to PTR and already re-learned how to do that ',:^)

arguments! Get your arguments here!
>oh wait there is none

Not him but you are actually a shitter if you think this is some massive nerf, Lucio will still be great, just more active and thus less boring

>complains about shitty arguments
>acts like healing doesn't matter on a support

Woo boy...

>People think the smaller healing radius and thus the necessity for grouping is a bad thing

Please stop joining my comp queue.

Lucio will be a bigger target now because this gives him the shortest healing range

>Healing does not matter on a secondary healer which was used mainly for his Speedboost
>They also just made his healing better in this patch in case you are allergic to reading patch notes

>completely shit on his heal and ult range
>give him bullshit wallriding speeds
>essentially change his role from a decent AoE healer to a cancerous overtime staller

quality

blizzard

balancing

>People think teammates clumping together is a good thing
AREA OF EFFECT NIGGA
>enemy team has junkrat
NIGGA YOUR WHOLE TEAM IS DEAD NOW

Well, you COULD go crazy and just try to git good.

lucio was my favourite character but after playing titanfall2 his wall ride just feels like lethargic shit

I hope the buff is enough to make him feel comparable to tf2 sanic speeds

>be on vacation last summer
>have awful internet connection
>lag spikes with ping going up to 1000ms every minute or so
>play Lucio
>just have heal crossfade active at all time
>pretty q whenever it's up and we go in for a push
>never fire a single shot the whole game
>still win most games
>get cards for healing

This are good changes

>junkrat
>NIGGA
>clearly hasn't booted up PTR to see that 10m isn't that small

now THIS is the post quality I look forward to on Sup Forums.org/v/

>Group up behind rein shield with a lucio
>Can't be damaged because you're utilizing this shield that stops damage
>Lucio now heals 50% faster
>Shoot the junkrat

WOOOOOOOW
enjoy silver.

>Reinhardt's shield vs Junkrat
>also implying that Reinhardt will be picked 100% of the time
>also implying that Junkrat is the only one with AoE

how the fuck so

like you said, a brain dead idiot could play lucio and win most of his games, and that's the point

healers are essential to a team comp, and when a some shitter is stuck with the team needing a healer, they pick lucio and still contribute

WHAT IS LOVE?

WHAT IS FREE LOVE?

WHAT IS BOY?

WHAT IS GIRL?

not your user but it's worth there are 3 (Three) Heroes that can deal AoE damage that's not on a 10+ second cd. One is Zarya which is pisspoor if nobody shoots her, one is
>junkrat
and the other is Pharah, or in the language of anyone above Gold, "Hey (Hitscan DPS) please remove the aerial annoyance".
It's also worth noting that Blast does fuckall to Rein Shield / D.va Matrix.

Yeah, enjoy getting picked off by helix rockets and Reinhardt ults because you literally have to be sniffing your teammate's ass holes to heal them.

>Playing junkrat when the enemy team doesn't have a tank to stand behind
>Not playing Pharah for the easiest junkrat counter of your life
>Getting hit by a junkrat

There are ways to tell you're bad at the game.
The fact that you're trying to justify the "EVERYONE SPREAD OUT AND TRICKLE IN" meta tells me you don't know how to play.

>getting shot / being on the floor with the new changes to wallride

>"LUCIO! WE NEED HEALING"
>*Gas, Gas, Gas! I'm gonna step on the Gas!*
>team wipes.

There are only three hitscan heroes, two of them and shit more often than not, the third is far more focused on healing.
>anyone above gold
Pharah still dominates above gold if no one's soldier

>if no one's soldier
That's when you swap to soldier

>>Playing junkrat when the enemy team doesn't have a tank to stand behind
That never happens
>>Getting hit by a junkrat
7/10 bait, I feel a little anger, but at the same time it was far too obvious

I don't even play the game, dummy.

The only two options you're saying exist are "Get fucked by Bara-Rein or be useless playing JSRF"
Clearly you don't play high-level, OR Lucio.
McCree is good, Soldier is Very good, Widow shuts her out completly, Torbjorb is playable now, and Ana 4-shots her as a support. As someone who plays Zen more than not killing pharah with Zen is easy as fuck.

>Hey guys what do you think we should do about Lucio since he's so prominent in the Tank meta due to him having a strong healing and presence because his team is grouped up?
>Let's make his aoe smaller but increase his healing by a shit tone to compensate!
>But sir, we're still in the tank meta, there's no reason why any team that has half a functioning brain wouldn't be grouped up in a tank comp.
>Eh fuck it, we'll get around that someday. Meanwhile let's keep on nerfing damage and making Assault class completely obsolete!

I don't understand why people still play OW desu. Not even LoL's balance team is this batshit retarded and even during their tank meta in Season 5, damage still mattered.

see >There are only three hitscan heroes, two of them and shit more often than not, the third is far more focused on healing
Torb is situational

Soldier is the only consistent Pharah counter

I don't know what it's like in your 1000 ELO bracket but I very rarely play against Junkrat players because most people realize you can just not walk through the door that he's spamming and then shoot him twice so he dies. Just a tidbit of knowledge if you ever want to try climbing, or you can keep being mad and lose more games.

>tards still screech about "da taynk metuh!" despite it having been dead for ages

>We're still in the tank meta
No we're not

>this poor user actually gets hit by junkrat
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Ana can DPS and heal at the same time, her firerate is pretty decent. McCree is still good, just more suited for Picks than sustained like 76. Widow exists, by the way.
Tank Meta left somewhere in Season 3 user, where have you been?