What are some games where you need to perform complex math to build your character well?

What are some games where you need to perform complex math to build your character well?

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>complex math

path of exile

Ragnarok Online

I don't know, man. If it's that hard I just use a guide and call the mechanics shit.

factorio

pokemon

Modded minecraft dips into this
There's a mod named PSI where you are a mage who's spells are powered by math (vectors and calculations)

>who is spells

The last remenant.

Oblivion/Morrowind.

Borderlands.

Fuckin lots of games like these.

Fuck games like this.

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ANALYSE THE TAPES

You DID choose the locker you DIDN'T initially pick, didn't you, user?

MOTIVES

oblivionn dont require maths to make a good character though, at most it's additions.
especially morrowind, knowing the artifacts' position and how breakable alchemy is will bring you a lot further than knowing the to-hit formula

I did and failed.

Dont know if im lucky on unlucky

>who'm'st'd've are sorseriecc

>Babby's first probability theorems
>Complex

>complex math in life
durr nerd xD i bet ur virgin

I don't get it

Check out the card
You should be able to figure out what to do with the hints on it

Wait a minute....

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Hentaiverse

Always switch doors

But I only have one key and no rapiers!

its not as complex as it looks like at first glance but Path of Exile

I get the principle behind the Monty Hall problem, but it just feels like one of those things that works in theory but isn't actually the case in the real world. Yes, there is a greater hypothetical probability, but like, let's say you're rolling a d3 (disregarding what a D3 would look like), and you're trying to roll a specific number between 1 and 3, that is written down. If you put a piece of tape over the "3" on the die, and then roll it, rerolling it if you land on the taped over side, it doesn't increase your chances of rolling the right number, because the number could be 3.

CARD?!

I don't think you actually understand the Monty Hall Problem. You have to realize that the game host will never open a door with the prize behind it, so switching is like you're opening two doors at the same time. You can't compare it to dices at all.

that's why it's called a paradox

FATAL

I didn't understand it until someone said to imagine it with 100 doors. Then it becomes more simple.

its not a paradox m8

>monty hall
>a paradox

No retard, it directly increases your chances.

If you pick the goat, which has a 2/3 chance of occurring, and switch, you get the car.

If you pick the car, which has a 1/3 chance of occurring, and switch, you get a goat.

If you pick and don't switch, you get the 1/3 chance of a car.

That's it. Switching gives you a 2/3 chance of getting the car no paradox or bullshit. There's not a single way you could pick the goat, switch and not get the car, and seeing as you get the goat 2 out of 3 times, switching ALWAYS doubles your odds of winning.

When I got to this part I was going to select 3 but then I selected 5 and all the lockers except 3 opened, so switched and it turns out 3 had the gas mask
I almost got literally mindhacked

it's not a paradox, it's just unintuitive

I WANT TO FUCK THAT GOAT!

>You have to realize that the game host will never open a door with the prize behind it,
I've never seen this put forth as part of the problem, just "3 doors, you can switch or not", no "one of the doors gets opened after you choose".

How is it even confusing if one of the doors gets opened? Obviously if one has been opened, you switch!

The core of the problem is that you abuse the fact that the host knows something, if he'd just roll a dice and open the corresponding number, then yeah, it would not change anything. But this way it does.
It is more clear if you increase the number of doors:
Imaginge there are THOUSAND doors, you coose one, now the host opens all but the ONE YOU CHOSE and ANOTHER ONE, should you switch?- Of course you should, in 999 cases the reason this one door was not opened is because the price was behind it. You just win in ONE case if not switching- if you chose the correct one by chance at the begnning.

If I ring that bell, will you die?

That's literally the entire problem. Whoever told you about the Monty Hall without even mentioning the switch part must've been a idiot, for that's where the entire problem lies.

Consider the following:

Instead of 3 doors, there are 1,000.

You pick one.

They open 998 of the 999 other doors.

Is it wise to change your choice?

No? It's still 0.999% chance of winning or not.

>So contestant, will you switch?
>HELL NO!

No

Roshpit champions.

Instead of opening one door, they open two doors. Both are goats.

What are the odds that the remaining door has a car behind it?

Here's another way of thinking about it, with the 3 door example:
When you pick from the 3 doors, you have 1/3 chance of having the prize door, 2/3 of not. Once Monty opens another door, there are two possibilities: If you picked a prize originally (1/3 chance), switching is bad. If you didn't pick the prize originally (2/3 chance), switching is good. So switching is correct.

1/3

>but there's two scenarios in option 1, so it's still 50% chance!
No. Those are sub-scenarios, there's only 1/3 chance on one of either happening, 1/6 for one specific to happen.

What are some games that acknowledge that copying/uploading a mind actually IS the same person as before?

No, the chance of you initially picking the right door out of the thousand is slim. But when 998 of them are opened, leaving only the one you picked and another, the likelyhood that the other is the right door is much bigger.


You're guaranteed that the prize is behind one of the two doors left. Now ask yourself, out of a thousand, how likely was your first choice to be the right one? Demonstrably, not very. So you can be almost entirely certain that the one left is the prize.

I'm not doing a very good job of explaining it, but you should get the gist of it

The Super Mario series

You can pick the goat, switch and get the second goat you stupid fuck

OP, everyone knows Monty Hall these days, here's a better image for baiting idiots.

No because the host always opens the door with the second goat behind it.

Nah you did it fine. It is hard to explain how change of information can affect systems in scenarios like this where it defies the common sense some are taught.

You can't though, the premise of the problem specifically rules that out. The host always reveals a goat, so either you have the 2nd one or the other door has the 2nd one.

if you pick the goat, the other goat gets revealed so you cant possibly pick the second goat you twat

Point and laugh at the retard.

If you copy a mind they both would be and act the same way, but they still would be different the second they experience different stuff
Uploading your mind into a robo wouldn't make you awaken as a robot, another you would awaken as a robot

Thanks. This problem was a slight brain twister when I first heard of it, so I can understand the confusion it breeds

>Uploading your mind into a robo wouldn't make you awaken as a robot
Sure it won't, but that robot would still be me, just as when I triforce
𛲠 𛲠 𛲠▲
▲𛲠 𛲠 𛲠▲
it's still a triforce on your side.

I actually fell for this one, good job.

the answer is VIDEOGAMES

50%
gg ez

I'd say 2 out of 3. It is impossible that you have selected the box with double silver, so there is only one silver you could possibly draw.

You would think it's 50/50 because, with the double silver box out of the way, you're just selecting between the double-gold and one-of-each box. But thinking of the balls as divided into boxes is arbitrary in this situation, except when ruling out boxes you can't possibly have drawn from. So just think of it as two gold one silver, two out of three.

DELETE THIS

Fair enough
Kinda surprised it wasn't just bait since this is a thread for baiting and people calling people who bait retards

Or maybe I'm wrong and since the end goal of double gold is a 1 out of 3 chance, ruling out the double silver mid operation just raises your odds to 1 out of 2.

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Wait, is that Undertale? Feels like years since it came out, no one even remembers it now.

No it's 50% because, similar to the monty thing, it relies on information that isn't purely mathematical at first glance. From the information we've gotten though, it's 100% chance of picking the gold ball first time because it's already happened. That means any odds before that no longer exist as a factor, so it's simply the 50% of choosing the other golden ball or the other silver ball respectively. The 2 silver balls are no longer a factor, and the 50% chance you would have of choosing the silver ball first if you chose the second box is no longer a factor either. Howeer seeing as you picked a "random" ball on the premise, and not one of the 3 gold balls, that also does not factor in.

If it were the "host" who had pre-knowledge who picked out the gold ball then it would be different, but seeing as you didn't have that knowledge from the premise and just happened to go for gold, it's simply 50%.

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This is true.
Switchfags btfo forever.

Think of it in the negative.

Each door has a 2 to 1 odds of being a goat. It is UNLIKELY that you will be lucky enough to select the car on your first guess. When the host rules out a door, the odds become 1:1 for the remaining door, but you only benefit from that increase in odds if you select a door that wasn't. Again, it is UNLIKELY that you would have selected the car on the first go, therefore it is more likely to switch to it than switch away from it when new information is provided.

If Monty showed you 10 doors, with 9 goats and 1 car, and he kept revealing a new goat every time you were about to open a door, optimally you would want to keep switching to the remaining closed doors (that you hadn't already selected).

Another inversion: Imagine there are two cars and one goat. You pick a random door, and feel pretty good about it because you have a 2/3 chance. The host eliminates one of the two remaining doors, revealing a car, and asks if you want to switch to the remaining door. Do you stick with your original odds of 2:1, or deliberately switch to a 1:1 situation?

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But there are 3 gold balls. 2 of them are in the first box and 1 of them is in the second box. So it's a 2/3 chance you picked the first box.

Only pre-renewal.

>you will never plan your stat build around your gear setup to squeeze the maximum amount of power out of all those hidden bonuses

what that shows that switching is good actually

You mean stickfags.

The bad options are more likely on your first guess, therefore switching is safer.

Do you lack reading comprehension or something. Switchfags win 2 out of 3 times.

DUMBASS

No because that's stuff that's already happened.

You didn't pick a random ball out of the 3 gold balls, you picked a random ball out of the 6 balls, and HAPPENED to get gold. That's the piece of information that stands between it being a 50% chance or a 67% chance of getting another gold.

>Host reveals either spikes
>either spikes
>EITHER
What switchfags fail to see is that there's actually 4 options on that chart, 2 which leads to victory and two who leads to loss.
2/4=1/2 of victory
basic math

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user...

You can easily win without ever doing a single calculation.

I know I have, several times.

WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO STAB YOU IN THE EYES user WHY

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>You didn't pick a random ball out of the 3 gold balls
Yes you do. It says you grabbed a gold ball.

Yes but from the premise the ball you picked was completely random, as it specified multiple times. However you DID pick a gold ball. This means you chose either of the first two boxes and drew a gold ball, letting you discount the third box. Thus you have a 50% chance that you took the first, and a 50% chance that you took the second.

I want that goat to fuck me.

You could have picked the first gold ball from the first box, the second gold ball from the first box, or the first gold ball from the second box. That's 2/3 that you chose the first box.

I didn't know they made a sequel to Majora's Mask

>offcentre triforce

RRREEE

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