Why does it seem like most people prefer the first Golden Sun to The Lost Age? I always found the latter to be much more engaging, with far cooler areas in the world. You got to visit the wolf town, some of the native tribes, some of the tropical islands, and finally getting to Lemuria was a sweet pay off after hearing about it in the first game.
Of course I understand the appeal of the first game, it had that newness to it, but it feels a bit flatter to me.
Lost Age was like twice as long when it really didn't need to be.
Does the story end with 2 or is 3 necessary to see the story come to a conclusion?
I've beaten 1 when I was a kid and beaten 2 about 50%, but I forgot most of it and now I will play 1,2 and 3 again.
Because the sense of wonder and the uncertain but optimistic way the first half ended left a more emotional impression than Lost Age.
The problem with TLA is just how shitty some parts of the game can get.
Air's rock takes the cake, but having the majority of the game take place in the eastern sea was just annoying. The western sea was a lot better imo, but it had far less locations to explore.
Lost Age felt like it tried too hard to tie up all the plot lines the first game left dangling, and then did the whole "well Prox wasn't bad guys at all!" Bullshit at the end. Lost age also had the dumb bonus bosses that were gimmick to the max.
That said, TLA did give us a full game's worth of Jenna and cutest summon.
1 + 2 are one story where as 3 is separate but it helps if you play the other 2 before hand
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I thought Air's Rock was pretty fucking epic desu. It's nice when a dungeon comes to be known as just a really massive, almost insurmountable obstacle. The original didn't really have an "oh shit" dungeon like Air's Rock.
I could never finish tla. I just couldn't care about felix and his band of annoying bitches. Isaac and garet were just 2 bros on an adventure to save the world
I thought TLA was better but then again I played the games out of order starting with TLA so maybe I'm just biased because I played it first.
I think the story is alright and the dungeons are good. Not top tier but all around fairly solid. Most of my complaints are nitpicks. The rocks were long and complex and I hated them as a kid but now I think they were good dungeons that really tested your party's endurance. All I really remember wanting as a kid was to be able to explore the land and areas from the original Golden sun, probably a product of playing the sequel first. I know you could glitch onto the continent but you couldn't explore towns like Vale or dungeons like the Venus Lighthouse.
My absolute biggest complaint about the game was the fucking password system holy fucking shit. That was awful. Why the fuck did the gold password need to be six pages long. What were they thinking?
They wanted you to buy a 2nd gba and a link cable.
Golden Sun is way more focused; shorter too, but doesn't really drag anyway either. It's definitely easier too, since the game is a lot more broken in your favor but the fun kind of busted. 1's story has a really nice hook, and some interesting places to visit (particularly the lighthouses; both are super memorable) while 2's story drags some but has GREAT places to visit too.
Also just a personal opinion but I like Isaac's Yes/No quips better than felix's. In the original, Isaac's No can get a lot pretty amusing reactions from the party while only a couple get you anything in TLA. Mostly when you harass or shittalk Kraden. Also 1's villains are so much better than 2's, save Alex.
Not only that, but the balance was shit. Like unless you were terribly underleveled there was not a single important fight that wasn't free.
Dark dawn was like that but worse. You had to go out of your way for any of the fights to have any challenge to them.
Some parts of the TLA I had no fucking idea where to go. There were some parts, where you had to sail to very specific locations, that you just have no fucking idea where they were.
really, i always find TLA to be more difficult than the original, even if you don't count the bonus bosses. Having said that none of the games are really all that challenging
Is Alex brought up in Dark Dawn?
I was really excited to see the power of the Golden Sun and what would become of it at the end of TLA, but all we got was that cut-scene with Alex that felt underwhelming. I want to know what became of his efforts other than what was obviously hinted: getting fucked up by The Wise One.
Oh god don't remind me.
>Figure out I need to get to Lemuria
>find it by accident
>LEL CURRENT PUZZLE
>manage to figure out how to get past one
>find a star-shaped rock, realize the fucking kids song in Yallam is the key to solving the puzzle.
>go back and write shit down.
>get through the maze.
>LEL POSIDEON
>"well fuck I guess it's time to boss battle. Let's get this over with"
>LEL CANT BE DAMAGED
>get no hints that you need to get the trident of Ankhol reforged by Briggs's grandma without happening to explore for shiggles.
I don't remember being that pissed, but that shit would NEVER fly today.
Yeah he's all over the place towards the end and iirc a part of it's cliffhanger ending.
The Lost Age had a lot of really tedious and long puzzle areas, and I got to the Mars Lighthouse and accidentally deleted my save.
So that's my reasoning for liking the first one better.
Mia > Sheba > Ivan > Shit > Jenna
Can we all gree?
1 & 2 are a single story. 3 was supposed to be released with a 4th game after but it flopped and the story was so shit (basically the whole main quest is a filler for what was supposed to be covered in 4) that it was cancelled.
Yes.
You still don't get to fight him.
Sweet. I was really hoping that TLA wasn't the last of him. That would be a major disappointment.
I always preferred the Lost Age. Gs1 was way too linear for me, and I like the fact that you get a much larger map to explore in tla. Also better music
>he doesn't know
user I . ..
Yes.
Gs4 never... I hope Camelot gets 1 more chance to redeem themselves; the ending to dd was shite, and the entire game was mediocre
He is still alive and fucking shit up as usual. It's not clear what happened between him and The Wise One, but it didn't stop him from restarting an alchemy machine and being Amiti's father as well as something involving the psyenergy vortexes, including the giant one that spawned at Isaac and Garet's house at the end of the game.
>Is Alex brought up in Dark Dawn?
Yes, he's in and one of your party members is implied to be his son.
if you did it correctly the lost age starts out with slaving over a shit ton of manual entry game code or finding a friend with a gba link and a game boy you could borrow.
best case scenario you give the first game to your friend but still. setting the tone with a long code or awkward interaction is not good
also people remember the first one because they thought it would be one tidy story up until the end. the second one you knew they weren't going to wrap it up and keep milking it like final fantasy but they lacked the steam to do so
>Jenna anywhere not best tier
Thankfully if you put her up top the rest of the list still works.
saturos fight
the ship segment
tolbi
the collosus
venus lighthouse
its more than implied, the JP instruction book had a family tree that explicitly confirms it.
Because it was the first one they played, that's the reason Hans is the most popular character, Both The Lost Age and Felix are objectively better
>Liking dumb and annoying girls
Mars adepts are only good for bullying
>the ship segment
This is the part I always dread when replaying GS. It's a fine challenge, but it goes on for way too long.
Who the fuck is Hans?
>Miafags
Damn, that's dumb, why would they think that it's a good idea to spoil that in the instruction book?
I only played TLA and I got stuck at the first area for a week because I didn't know you can use magic outside of battle.
Kid me was fucking stupid
Also got stuck at going to Lemuria for three weeks.
Nice fucking game design
Sorry, I named him like that, I meant Isaac
Was I the only one that as soon as I got access to the ship I went straight in the direction Briggs went to fuck his shit up? I was actually pleased by the result
>not liking a girl whose magic literally draws on her own passion to operate
>not liking redheads
>not liking gish
L I T E R A L L Y pleb tier. Enjoy your wet cold fish.
Isaac had a different name in every translation.
Japanese = Robin
French = Vlad
Spanish = Hans
Alright, real talk Sup Forums.
How many of you STILL remember the RNG manip math to get the K-sword in GS1, or any of the Fate staves in TLA?
I really like fire themed healing magic. I wish more games did it.
Seriously? I remember naming him like that, weird
>tfw can't enjoy any other JRPG as much as GS because it was my first
>Bitch so stupid he has to pull her psynergy out of her "heart"
>Meanwhile I'm bathing in warm healing water with a big titted girl that will eventually learn how to fucking teleport
Mars adepts are dumb as a brick. One step above being literally retarded.
TLA is a huge fucking slog with tons of annoying padding and god help you if you put the game down for a week or something after you get the ship because the game gives zero fucking indication of what you were doing or where you need to be going next.
It never does anything new or interesting compared to the original to justify it either. "More of the same" isn't inherently bad for a sequel, but I honestly don't think TLA is worth the time investment.
Why does the world end if you decline the offer at the start of GS since its revealed in TLA that they were actually saving the world?
I recently did a run of both games and had to manipulate RNG to get all of the ultimate equipment. I'm probably never doing that again.
Also, Sunshine the blacksmith can fuck himself.
literal babbies going
>i-i didn't know what to do and if the game doesn't hold my hand then it's bad!!! ;__;
fucking niggers, one of the best things about TLA is that sense of adventure when you sail for the first time, because you're free to do whatever the fuck you want
Maybe Alex eventually destroyed it.
The spanish translation had other weird name changes.
For example, Sheba is called Sole. Wich is fucking weird because Sole is a shorter name for Soledad, a name that means Loneliess in spanish.
So you end up thinkig Sheba is called Loneliness the whole time.
>Objectively
There's that word again.
>Bitch that's entirely reliant on faith in some shitty fairy goddess to get any heals at all.
>Meanwhile I'm balls deep in a sexy firebrand that's so pent up she's begging for my dick.
>Im-fucking-plying you wouldn't be eternally cucked by a frozen-hearted bitch.
Check and mate.
Presumably because they failed to recruit a Jupiter, since Sheba ultimately joining felix and company was a by the luck sort of thing that would have never happened without isaac, and Ivan would still be trying to get Hammet's stick and/or hammet.
You are retarded and I bet you're stupid enough to think "djinni randomly spawn in a featureless patch of grass with no possible way for you to know without a guide" is a good idea too.
Thing is, once you understood the math behind it, it was free to manip those uber rare drops. Every time I see a surprise round I manip'd because at worst it's a free must potion and usually something a lot better.
its an amazing game for sega saturn
>4 disc of strategy rpg goodness and never goes stale
>music by motoi sakuraba who also did golden sun
>linked to a game called shining the holy ark
>there's a translation
>made by the same team btw
you should play this game trilogy at least once
you won't regret it
(I have put about 100 hours so far into the game)
forgot image oops
Because if you take the mars star and do fuckall with it then the world finishes eroding and then weyard is ded.
I mean in fairness it was easy to want to explore those, they had no other reason to be there.
>implying saturos, menardi, kat, agatio, alex, felix or sheba could've done all the shit they did by their own
the stone one eyed guy would've stopped them or killed them.
i doubt they could've even got to lemuria let alone save the world.
I liked lost age more because the summons were a lot better
>mfw the first time seeing catastrophe
Generally, I saw people who played RPGs like Lost Age more while more commonly, regular players like the original.
I like the original more because it flowed better, had better characters and a better balance of gameplay and story.
TLA had a lot more diversity in spells, weapons, classes, Djinn, puzzles and more but you never much cared for characters. More time is spent in dungeons and battles in TLA than in GS. Kraden is your mouthpiece for the whole game, instead of discovering "new" things.
I love all the Golden Sun games and will always wish there could be a new entry.
Won't happen, unless Camelot pulls a Fire Emblem and makes it a waifu sim.
Dude I got stuck the first time you enter the ship, I couldn't figure out that you had to move the big post onto the spot, and then use douse.
Lemuria stumped the shit out of me because I never saw the rope outside of that fucker's house. I was literally stuck there until my Mom bought me a player's guide
I think both games are just about equal. But TLA does do some things better then the first.
The wise one didn't do shit to actually try and stop them especially after Issac and crew join Felix at the Jupiter lighthouse. If Issac and crew hadn't have gotten involved altogether. The only thing keeping them from saving the world if you say no in the first game is the fact of the were only able to get 3 stars and the Mars lighthouse would have fell in the abyss by the time they realized you weren't going to follow them.
>The only thing keeping them from saving the world if you say no in the first game is the fact of the were only able to get 3 stars and the Mars lighthouse would have fell in the abyss by the time they realized you weren't going to follow them.
That and the fact the game flat out states Saturos and Menardi were too stupid to get through the lighthouse puzzles
You literally have to walk over a patch of grass while exploring the map, you are such a fucking baby holy shit
>Of course I understand the appeal of the first game, it had that newness to it, but it feels a bit flatter to me
Maybe TLA feels flatter to people because you find out THE WORLD IS FLAT AYYYY
I loved both of these games, not sure which I prefer. I would have said the first one back in the day, just because I like the cast of protagonists and antagonists better and the introduction to Golden Sun's world is fantastic, but TLA has some fantastic twists and you learn so much more about the state of the world and its lore. Lemuria had some incredible lore, the level at the end of the world was sick, and the reveal for Saturos and Menardi's goals (and the fate of the people of Prox) was pretty gripping. Also better gameplay, with the full roster of heroes and djinn summons and class combinations, with some nice optional bosses that actually offered a challenge.
Some of The Lost Age's environments were a bit lackluster, though. Struggling to remember them, which is a problem. But I remember thinking some of the palette swaps were a bit lazy (Air's Rock's textures are just purple desert...). Lighthouses in both games were a highlight.
Yeah but not Felix that was why they brought him to begin with, to solve puzzles
It's really only a problem in the 3rd game since some of them were permanently missable.
Same shit as PM64 vs TTYD
The original is a small perfect package that knows exactly when to stop and how to provide side content. The small scope benefited the pacing.
The sequel improves on every aspect but becomes a full fledged RPG and loses that charm of being a short yet fun game you can replay time again simply because it takes so much longer and completing it 100% may seem tedious at times.
Basically the sequel is better in every mechanical aspect but the simplicity of the original can still be attractive.
>to begin with
No that was because earth.
The puzzle aspect was just a nice plus. I'm sure alex is just as smart as felix.
I just hate how barren Lost Age is. Each continent had, at most, four locations. Why make such a big map when there is nothing in it?
It has less towns but equal areas with all the small caves and side areas.
If the ocean content wasnt all over it wouldve filled the continents nicely
I think my biggest complaint with TLA is that it makes the entire first game unnecessary by having it star Felix.
>I know the game just started but we are actually trying to save the world just in case you forgot. So saith me, Kraden, Lord of Lore.
I like the idea of being the bad guy but save that shit for when Isaac confronts you or something.
>it makes the entire first game unnecessary
Not really. Without the first we wouldnt know the story before 2, and playing felix with the only objective being follow saturos or menardi while they do all the combat one-shotting every creature would be a boring game
Even though thats literally the plot of gs1, follow those rude dudes with tudes
isaac>felix
But you forget Alex was never there when needed, if he was then the boulder would have never fell.
>But you forget Alex was never there when needed
So they got a shit partner for the brains because he had too many brains and other plans.
If alex wasnt a cock tease the whole game he might have helped more so yeah I can see that
>"Hell, I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister."
what did Felix mean by this?
post waifus desu
Like he gave a fuck. He probably helped get New Vale started, Isaac asked if he could fuck his sister, he said "Yeah, whatever" and fucked off to do whatever.
Well he was kidnapped for much of their childhood
>We'll never get to know what Felix did after TLA
T-Thanks a lot DD.
That's good, it means Felix x Sheeba will never be destroyed by canon
Felix >>>>>> Dogshit >>>>>>>>>>>> Isaac
prove me wrong, protip: you can't
I still have this game and a working NintendoDS. Could someone tell me how far I was in the game; I was in the desert with a few tornadoes circling 'round, and whenever one of those hit you, you were forced into a battle against a giant lizard or something. I literally couldn't progress since I couldn't make the trip back to the Church or go forward since they were so strong.
I guess.
Near the end. There were only 2 or 3 dungeons after that.
Fuck off Sheba.
Very late. That's gotta be the second to last dungeon.
As bad as dark dawn was leaving the series with a cliffhanger is worse. 4th game when?
This, honestly. I place an over abundance of nostalgia on the GBA JRPGs I played: BoF2, Golden Sun, and so on, pretty much just because they were solid JRPGs I happened to play before any others.
Am I the only one who ships Mia/Felix?