Stormblood

So do we all agree it's shit yet?

>mmo
yes

Oh thing that shit is Lyse and SCH. Everything else is cool

Let's make Lyse a SCH.

>Susano > Ravana

>single adlo costs more than aetherflow restores
JUST

She would literally be Jackie Chan with a book. Fucking deadly

>Oh thing that shit is Lyse
Divisive as she is, she's better than Y'shtola. Who's now been written out of a second expansion without doing a single fucking thing.

>tfw main BLM and immune from the cuckshed because it's yoshi-p's main

>Story
SB>ARR>HW
>Music
ARR>HW>SB
>Dungeons
SB>HW>ARR
>Zones
ARR>HW>SB

It's a good expansion but has its faults. I'd say it's the best ff14 has been though.
She puts you in an ice block similar to the goal from titan thing is it never disappears. You are stuck inside until someone destroys it.

Titan you can tank the gaols and it only does like 1/3rd dmg. They go away shivas ice block never goes away.

>SB>ARR>HW
Completely wrong
HW>ARR>SB

>Music
>ARR>HW>SB

This is the worst opinion I've ever heard

>Story
>ARR>HW
I'm genuinely curious as to why.

>Bio III and Miasma III are both 30s so SMN only ever needs to cast them together

>SCH only gets Bio II and Miasma
>Miasma is still only 24s
>You typically do Miasma -> Bio II so what the fuck

Just add Miasma II to corruption mastery without AoE and make it 30 seconds so there's one less aneurysm I have to have as a SCH.

So wait, they killed SCH?

I was planning on giving the story another chance after losing interest due to Nanamo retcon and WoD plot being such utter garbage but now I'm not sure.

>tfw 55 SAM

>SCH OP for all of Heavensward
>Turns the job community into a bunch of insufferable and pompous cunts
>Consistently brag about how amazing their job is and how much they contribute to the raid
>Spit on everyone below them
>Yoshi notices this and nerfs them
>BAWWWW HOW COULD YOU DO THIS

I feel absolutely nothing except pure joy. Eat shit SCHfaggots, you deserve every last bit of this and I hope it stays this way for the rest of the expansion.

Love,
AST

Holy shit the DPS queues are REAL right now, maybe cause its late but I tried to run a roulette with SAM for shits and NOPE
Made the right choice taking a tank through Main scenario

>So wait, they killed SCH?
Completely, stance dancing was removed and clerics is now a cooldown, meanwhile for sch mana regen was nerfed, heals were nerfed, fairy was nerfed, bane was nerfed and bio 1 was taken away completly. Class is dead, I have not seen a single other 70 sch other than myself and I'm releveling as SAM

>Loses 3 dots (Bio, Miasma II, Aero)
>Bane nerfed to fuck
>nu Cleric stance is worthless
>Shadowflare only lasts 15s and has a 45s downtime
>They made Adloquium even MORE expensive
>Excogitation would have been useful in HW but is kind of pointless in SB
>nerfed fairy heals again
>Aetherpact/Fey Union has a 2 foot radius on the tether

ARR didn't have huge retcons and a really horribly written plot involving travelers from another world coming here doing fuck all and being whisked away by not-god saying she'll fix everything.

Not the same guy but ARR didn't have the same high highs as HW, but it also didn't have the same low lows.

>AST literally complaining about someone else being overpowered

I can't wait until you get fucked next when Yoshi sees people running double ast and nothing else.

I just got done with Susano as SCH and good lord was it difficult. Managing mana is so damn difficult now and we don't have any sustained damage anymore to make up for it. The other healer was a SCH as well, which made it even worse. We both pretty much had to use EoS in order to keep everyone alive and we both went oom pretty often. It's depressing when I think of everything I was capable of before Stormblood.

>SAM literally has a *teleport behind you* "nothing personal kid" move
I fucking love this job.

>go to kill RDM in Frontlines
>teleports 100 yards away and nukes me
Cool

Stance dancing being gone is all I needed to know, sounds like they shitcanned healers in general then.

Thanks anons, guess I'll skip for now.

Really how so?
For me ARR has
Leviathan, Shiva, Titan and answers is the best theme
HW has ravana theme and thats it but dragonsong is better than revolutions. Music isn't bad it just doesn't have many remarkable themes
SB has the day time music of steppes and shinryuu, revoultions is shit
For me the end of 2.0 was great. I loved all the 8 man dungeons and fights we got. The whole huge scale war theme. Even ala mhigo is a war scene but it never feels like such a large war as with 2.0.

Oh right, I forgot about the patch story being considered.

Yeah, that stuff was pretty lame.

>double AST
It's going to be WHM/AST. There's no reason to bring two AST.

>Implying SCH wasn't OP in Heavensward
Are you fucking retarded? The job was a fucking monster and was still a monster even when AST got superbuffed in 3.4.
I feel nothing for you. You deserve every bit of this fucking karma and I hope you enjoy the bench that WHM kept warm for you towards the end.

I can't wait for the first balance patch where they nerf ast into the ground and overbuff sch's to convince them to come back

Anyone else around who felt that Shinryu was fairly disappointing?

at least SCH has SMN they can be playing while Yoshi unfucks the job. When AST is gutted we are going to have nothing.

I can't wait for the first balance patch where they adjust SCH a little bit and don't nerf AST/WHM but SCH treats it as if they are back to being #1 and demands reparations from everyone else.

I liked the spectacle, but it was soiled for me by the EU DF continuing to be a festering group for complete and total fucking retards.

Cleared it with FC when they caught up, but jesus christ Chaos DF is a shithole.

Stance dance removal I could actually live with if SCH's entire kit otherwise wasn't fucked with.

It does allow for more treacherous gameplay like throwing in last second heals without having to worry about cleric stance and other shit like Assize being 100% effective (Because it does full damage potency and full potency heals)

>the state of PvP
Shit needs to start giving EXP for in match actions instead of match completion, like yesterday.

>SMN
SMN got it worse than SCH did.
>Make a really fun and fluid DoT class
>People whine its not a TRUE Summoner
>Gut it and make it revolve around clunky burst phases with an obnoxiously huge bahamut
"Thank's Yoshi-P now EVERYONE will know I'm a SMN as I block half of the screen!"

Believe what you want friendo, but 1/3 of healers are quitting or rerolling and dps are constantly crying, there's guaranteed going to be compensation buffs

>double AST
>keep overwriting each others' Balance because they can't see each others' cards now

>SCH
>Buffs
Only WHM is getting buff SCH time in the sun has come to a end.

What sort of group do you play in with no communication?

>Implying
Nah, you'll get the AST treatment until everyone stops bitching.
See you in 4.4, when your job becomes on par with AST again!

Believe what you want friend

at least their dots are equal in time now I guess

their..two dots.

I kind of like that Lyse is so divisive and the love or hate for her is so strong in any given direction.

It just means she did her job as a character.

How will they handle blue mage?

What weapon should they use?

SCHfag here, nobody gives a fuck about being re-balanced down to average or even weak state, but taking away all the shit that made the class fun to play is just retarded, it's not that they neutered the numbers, it's that they neutered the interactions.

Didn't even play most of HW so I can't even talk about how "OP" they were, but they used to be fun to play with stance dancing, proactive healing and overall just thinking ahead instead of waiting for shit to happen and responding like most heals.

I loved HW SMN and its a fucking joke what happened to them in SB because of people complaining about "class fantasy" I can almost guarantee that the people screaming for SMN to be "more of a summoner" didn't even play it.

or they could just take a "does so much damage that they'll actually benefit from Balance" WHM instead of a second Balance dispenser

Yeah, that's what ASTs thought when Heavensward released and we were all waiting for the 3.05 balance updates that would fix the class.

Go look up the 3.05 patch notes for a sneak peek at what you can expect to receive.

Have you ordered yours?

This is it's most succesful expansion to date and there's nothing you can do about it.

SMN no longer has Sustain, which means that they pretty much have no way to keep Titan-Egi alive, since Physick is weaksauce for them. I can't imagine progressing with them is much better than SCH.

Im a crafter and fuck thecmain quest

>fighting an a rank
>suddenly 4 bahamuts
It's pretty fun to see that kind of thing happen

I feel like Dreadwyrm and Deathflare were flash enough. You should see PvP its a shitshow.

i feel like you can only compare 2.0 with 3.0 and 4.0

for me it's 4.0>3.0>2.0
The patch things are like "filler" arc in anime.
Additionally we don't know how bad 4.1 etc will be.

>RDM's Vercure scales to INT
>Healer DPS scales to MND
>SMN's Physick still scales to MND

Kinda sucks to be a MNK this patch
>Chakra Generation is based on RNG based on RNG
>Tackle Mastery is literally garbage
>Fists of Fire inflicts a slow

>SMN worse than anybody when it has the second highest DPS next to OP SAM

Ppl were getting pissed on my server because they forgot what its like to get their ass kicked. I loved it

>Want to watch the story cutscenes. Paying attention perfectly fine.
>Suddenly Urianger shows up and starts speaking at length.

Holy shit. Go the fuck away and leave me alone with your fake ass old English.

Not even a comparable situation, AST was new there was no one to push away from it, right now you have a large number of healers quitting and a large number of dps coming in, their fucking 2 playerbases and you're honestly delusional if you don't think they'll get buffs

i wish sch was like in FFXI , even if they got rid of the black vs white because that's rdm, the use of stragems and your book made it feel scholarly instead of just "oh here's a fairy"

SAM isn't even top dps it's middle of the pack along with SMN

AST isn't anywhere near as old as SCH though. It's kind of just a bastard mix of the other two healers, with RNG based utility. A job like that should not be the strongest healer unless the player is god. I mean, they don't even have any micro to deal with.

>It's okay if the class feels like shit as long as it parses high!

that's not what SSS values say

I mean, what exactly makes Deathflare and Akh Morn different visually?

It's not like you're using Nidhogg's mad as fuck Akh Morn spam.

So, who's more insufferable?
RDMs or SAMs?

Kek

in ffxi i thought they wielded 1h swords
maybe they will dual wield and all the kiritos will flock to there from sam

Yo, question for you, is gathering still completely timer based or did they actually get rid of that shit? Crafting in HW was obnoxious as well with how fucked gathering was.

>SSS
>implying mnk and nin are top right now

Nothing its just you have this stupid ass giant ghost bahamut floating around you now clogging the screen.

Just makes me spam ruin faster. Exactly what Yoshida wanted me to do.

Also don't Deathflare and Akh Morn take separate hotbar icons? What's the point? Since they're literally the same attack but one has higher potency, shouldn't they be consolidated onto the same button like in PVP?

Still SMN since all they do is bitch.

The damage comes from mind now. You do the damage without the on and off switch

SCH's identity is part of what contributed to making it overpowered. The fairy AND their ridiculous fuckloads of utility are what made them irreplaceable in every single raid composition for the past two years.

While I feel that SCH probably got nerfed too hard, they fucking SAID it was coming. Months ago Yoshi noted in an interview that he was turning the nerfbat onto both WAR and SCH because of how disgustingly powerful they both were. As far as playstyle, well, not much can be helped in that regard.

All three healers had part of their playstyles absolutely butchered. All this talk about how boring SCH is now is how AST has been all along. Hell, it's worse for AST because you have ONE DoT now and Malefic III.That's basically it. It's absurdly clear SE and the dev team in general have no idea how to create or balance healers, but SCH being kicked in the face has been a LONG time coming.

>The patch things are like "filler" arc in anime.

What? No they aren't.
Do you even know what filler is?
Pointless and irrelevant crap that contributes nothing to the story. Most of the MSQ quests in patches between expansions contribute to the advancement of the plot.

>im-fucking-plying

SAMs can hit 7-8k easily with their openers alone and maintain 4.5-5k from what I've seen.

>play pvp as dps
>jump on enemy healer
>whole enemy team jumps on me
>play as healer
>enemy dps jumps on me
>my team continues to run around not helping

Because Squeenix can't fucking decide if they want to make a fun DoT class or make it thematically a Summoner and it pisses both fans off. SMN should've been split from ACN ages ago and a new DoT class pairing with ACN and SMN being a job by itself.

>Hiens VA is the same as Vaynes from FF12

Fitting

>expansion guts and kills more classes than it adds
get hyped for pld/pld/ast/ast meta

You haven't played this game for longer than a patch or two if you think that SE is going to move proactively to protect a class from seeing an exodus of players. If 75% of all Scholars in the game stopped playing the class in the first week of Stormblood's release, they would MAYBE start to take action to make the class more attractive around 4.3 or so. 4.0 will be "Let's wait and see if players get used to it", 4.1 will be "We don't want to make large-scale balance changes in the middle of a raid tier", and 4.2 will be "We've designed this new raid to be marginally more well-suited to SCH's skills in particular".

Earthly Star is disgustingly beautiful though.

Everything AST does is beautiful and their weapon is fun and it makes me super jealous as a SCH

>they fucking SAID it was coming
They said a nerf was coming, they didn't say they were effectivley removing the class

>trying to play paladin below level 60
I just fucking can't, it's too boring to spam one combo endlessly. It makes going into the leveling roulette as PLD so damn tiring.

Anyone still have that image/link showing the DPS rankings?

so what dps are drks getting?

SAM is good but SSS values aren't dps numbers

Like I said believe what you want, first patch schs are getting buffs and asts are getting put down

>Braves
>Warrior of darkness
>not filler
kek

That's not SE fault its the fanbase. They wanted a really summoner now they have it.

Just like how SE rode in to the rescue to save Paladin in Heavensward when most of them rerolled to Dark Knight or Warrior, right?

just do a few to get to 61 then spam SB leveling dungeons

>tfw I lost my perfect DoT DPS because of this
My anger knows no bounds.