Why does Sup Forums hate Marche so much?

Why does Sup Forums hate Marche so much?

he exposes our sick inner thoughts. we know he's right

On the other hand, Donned has a dead mom, a loser dad and he's confined to a wheelchair. He's better off in the fantasy world.

I don't. Everyone else does because they know they'd be too weak to stop him if they were in Mewt and Ritz's place

I don't get it either. If my brother was transported to a world where he wasn't a cripple anymore I'd force him to go back home too.

because he was a fag that didn't want to fug cute vieras.

Because there is no real reason for him to act like that and do what he did.

Everyone was happy in the fantasy world and no one wanted to go back. He was the one who forced everyone to do it.

You're confusing cripple boy with Mewt.

a life without hardship is no life at all.

Because no one on Sup Forums has enough foresight to understand how things would have escalated with Mewt.
>Turned bullies into zombies
>Had head judge at his beck and call, his word was effectively law
>Introduced increasingly draconian laws to keep population compliant
>Was definitely going to develop a mother son incest fetish

Things might have been fine for a while, but there's no doubt that Mewt was a tyrant. The fact that he had a living embodiment of desire helping him would only make things worse.

fantasy>reality

I rather not live at all, hardships never made me grow.

people just love the dumb meme

This quote makes me think of Persona or another really good RPG and how happy it makes me then how sad I get when it's over.

>Was definitely going to develop a mother son incest fetish

whats wrong with that!?

Marche was right.

then you have failed one of humanity's most base functions. you are a slug given human form. you spit in the face of the hunters that birthed your bloodline

Because everyone would be stuck in his world when he goes through puberty and it becomes a perverse fetish-infested mockery of its former self.

Because they were running away from their problems.

Shut up, Shinji

Did you miss the part where he's constantly fighting (sometimes for his life) in Ivalice?
Or were you being stupid on purpose?

>sometimes for his life
>gets hit with a rock during a snowball fight

just how weak are you irl, user? do you have even an ounce of grit in your entire body?

if you want hardship, get out of internet and go to the woods monkeyfag.

i fight for the strongest side

>Better off
Dead? How is that better off?

Marche had to give up wanting anything because he'd look like the bad guy for wanting things for himself while his little brother was a wheelchair cripple. Not to mention that he also had no friends.

Ivalice the fantasy world not St. Ivalice, you dimwit.

Donned =/= Mewt

Cry all you want but he saved all their lives. No one ever remembers that the grimoire was slowly killing everyone.

Mewt is the one with a dead mom and a loser dad. Doned's the cripple who tried to kill his brother multiple times in the fantasy world.

i don't have a smug anime face on my computer, but that would be appropriate

mewt? you mean the god of ivalice?

See though, if that were his reason for wanting to go back all along, that'd be 100% fine, but it wasn't. You don't learn that until later in the game. For most of the game, he just wants to go back because "..."

Everyone would die sonner or later.

Better to die happy than to live a shitty life.

because the english translation is bad

And a life with pointless hardships is no better
At least poor boy could walk around on his own on Ivalice

But I don't. Marche did nothing wrong, and only lawfags would think otherwise.

spoken like a true weakling

Everyone but Mewt.

It's 100% fine because he was right. Come with me and live your lives, be who you were meant to be or lie to yourself, become someone completely different and die, both figuratively and literally.

And what about the hardships they had in Ivalice? they weren't exactly given anything. They literally had to fight to make a living.

because he's objectively correct

>Sure was nice living a week as an MMO character and then dying
>Certainly better than real life
Ritz go home.

Thats rich coming from a another loser in Sup Forums.

If you never go to the Jagds, you can always be revived.

Just stay away from the Jagd's and you'll have a fairly easy life, even if you flub it every now and then.

His motives make sense but the way the game presents them makes it sound like he just made them up on the spot after being confronted

>everyone was happy

Did you forget those kids that threw a snowball at mewt who turned in to monsters that was hunted down?

im a navy seal with over 300 confirmed kills

Wonder if something got lost in translation there

I personally love him, he's my fav characer with Llednar.
I don't know why Sup Forums hates him.

I mean sure you go to this world and things are fine, you might like it.
It's an escape though, what if things go wrong, people die, this world is more violent, are you just going to run again?

Because he was correct.

Mewt was an incapable ruler of Ivalice and the people hated him. The judges were corrupt the clans were waging wars in the streets while taxing businesses and stealing from innocent people.
Ivalice was a paradise for Mewt and some of his buddies only, the people he didn't know or hated were turned into monsters and suffered because of it.
Also Doned abandoned his own mother for a pair of new legs which made Marche mad as heck since he wasn't getting any attention from his parents for Doned's sake.

What do you mean run?

Run back to reality? It doesn't solve anything, it just means we have nowhere to run, thats all.

This

Because Sup Forums is stupid
not wanting marche to return them home is basically like not wanting to wake the windfish. they would rather stay in their fantasy than face the real world and apply what you learned there

It isn't just the fact that he wanted to go back, in some ways he was correct about that, it's mostly the way he goes about it, acting like it was impossible to understand how could anyone ever prefer the life in fantasy Ivalice, the way he acts he comes off as an insufferable holier than thou character instead of the voice of reason that gets his friends to face their challenges as was probably intended.

>if your life is shitty that's how it should always be don't change anything that's how you were meant to be if you change you'll die
Marche contrarians say the dumbest shit.

Sometimes escaping is the correct option, like if you live in shitty neighbor its better to just move away, you only have one life.

>Everyone was happy
>When in the very beginning you can read that the people were getting tired of Mewt's shit laws
>lead to the creation of jagds, where there is no law and people actually die
>no.1 passtime is essentially government sanctioned gang warfare
>not everyone was lucky to turn into a cute viera or mog, some got the raw deal and turned into a zombie, flan or worse, a nu mou beastmaster

Fuck off, Mewt

And the place you move to has everybody fighting.
You get hurt everyday, from fire, arrows and so-on.
Theivary is prevalent with it many more crimes.
Sure you might not die except in some places but its pretty barbaric.
Things may get even worse like the judges and guards started interrogating people.

Problem is if you escape and drag the whole town with you.
Mewt wanted to scape reality? Fine but he dragged the town and everyone's lives with him to a new world where everyone but his friends got transformed into someone completly random, sometimes not even human.
All of them were selfish but Marche, he was the only one who thought and did something for those who got transformed without being asked first.

Sounds like detroit

Its fantasy violence, you literally can't die unless you are a retard.

THE "MORAL SUBJECTIVITY" IN THIS GAME IS ENTIRELY A RESULT OF A SHITTY HALF ASSED TRANSLATION AND A NON-CANON POST GAME THAT IMPLY IVALICE ISN'T 100% FAKE

WITH THAT SAID, WHY MARCHE WAS OBJECTIVELY CORRECT: A PRIMER
- IVALICE IS A COMICALLY TOTALITARIAN HELLHOLE WHERE YOU CAN BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR AGES BECAUSE YOU HEALED YOUR STAB WOUNDS WHEN "HEALING GAPING WOUNDS" WAS DECLARED ILLEGAL TODAY LITERALLY BY CHANCE, CORRUPT JUDGES CAN GIVE PEOPLE LITERAL IMMORTALITY OR OTHER KINDS OF PERKS TO LORD OVER OTHERS AND IT HAS HOLIDAYS LIKE "EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY HAS TO GIVE THE PRINCE A PRESENT
- ON TOP OF THIS, IT'S JUST A SHITTY PLACE TO LIVE IN GENERAL. GANG TURF WARS ARE NOT ONLY COMMON BUT OUTRIGHT ENCOURAGED, PEOPLE HIRE MERCENARIES TO SOLVE LITERALLY ANY AND ALL PROBLEMS IN THEIR LIVES BECAUSE THINGS ARE SO DANGEROUS WITH THE CONSTANT MONSTER/ENEMY INVASION/BANDIT ATTACKS. TAKE SOMALIA AND PUT SOME FURRIES IN IT AND YOU HAVE IVALICE
- THE MAIN CHARACTERS BESIDES MARCHE ARE THE DEFINTION OF FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS AND DESERVE TO EAT SHIT FOR IT. THE BULLIES IN THE OPENING DIDN'T GET TO REINCARNATE AS A FURRY OR SOMETHING, THEY BECAME FUCKING ZOMBIES. TO ACT LIKE IVALICE WAS BETTER THAN THE REAL WORLD IS TO BY DEFAULT CONDEMN TONS OF PEOPLE TO A LIFE OF DYING OVER AND OVER
- MORE SPECIFICALLY YOUR FRIENDS ARE JUST CUNTS. RITZ IS SAD BECAUSE SHE HAS TO DYE HER FUCKING ANIME ALBINO HAIR (WHAT?) AND MEWT'S RESPONSE TO BEING BULLIED IS TO TAKE THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED DICTATORSHIP AND MAKE IT EVEN WORSE (LITERALLY MAKES THE LAWS MORE INTENSE JUST BECAUSE HE'S IN A BAD MOOD AND THROWS A TANTRUM) LIKE HE'S A FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTER. DONNED IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT, EXCEPT HE'S ALSO A MASSIVE ASSHOLE WHO IS WILLING TO SELL OUT HIS BROTHER TO GET RAPED IN LIZARD JAIL WITHOUT EVEN ASKING TO SEE IF THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM ARE TRUE.

PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TO DO SIDEQUESTS OR READ BETWEEN THE LINES ON A GAME AIMED AT ACTUAL CHILDREN

Except that marche wasnt aware of any of that, his only reason was "I dont like this, we're going home regardless you like it or not", which ended being the right decision as the game progressed and they discovered the nature of ivalice, but Marche's decision was completely selfish

Because the game was shit.

Sounds like a better place than home

Wasnt the original japanese far smarter about how his point was presented and was actually very good?

>TAKE SOMALIA AND PUT SOME FURRIES IN IT AND YOU HAVE IVALICE
Fucking A+ post.

whats wrong running from reality if it sucks?

Marche had a good point even in the translation anyway. People were just too focused on not muh FFT.

Agreed
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And was it worth it to destroy the whole fucking world because of it? Why not just overthrow the damn government or something.

ritz is cuter with white hair fight me

Mewt rerolled everyone's lot in life, marche rerolled it back. Neither were in the wrong, both were just fighting for their preferred reality. It was an instance of "might makes right".

How retarded you have to be to have problems with the laws, nigga just move arround the map and BOOM, completly different laws.
Do you legit has brian problems?

Why do people say this when they haven't played the game?
The people from the real world come back that's it. Ivalice is intact since there is a sequel and Montblanc actually comes back in it.

>Mewt rerolled everyone's lot in life
>Neither were in the wrong
Mewt was in the wrong just by doing that.

>When in the very beginning you can read that the people were getting tired of Mewt's shit laws
>lead to the creation of jagds, where there is no law and people actually die

Wasn't this because Mewt knew that Marche was on his way to Shut It Down and the jagds were a response to the harsher laws?

>not everyone was lucky to turn into a cute viera or mog, some got the raw deal and turned into a zombie, flan or worse, a nu mou beastmaster.


All that really matters is that the heroes were happy, even Marche liked it there he just wasn't cool with running away from your problems, and theres not even any real evidence any one but the main 4 were transported into the book, for all we know the zombullies were just mewts projections

IN ORDER FOR MARCHE TO BE 'DESTROYING THE WORLD' THAT WOULD HAVE TO IMPLY THAT IVALICE IS SOME SORT OF PARALEL UNIVERSE OR REALITY WHEN IT OBJECTIVELY ISN'T.

QUEEN REMEDI OUTRIGHT SAYS THAT SHE TURNED ST IVALICE INTO IVALICE WITH HER MAGIC, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME SHIT AS THE MATRIX IN THAT IT'S AN OUTRIGHT ILLUSION TRICKING YOUR SENSES. PEOPLE LIKE BABUS SAYING THAT MARCHE IS DESTROYING THINGS ARE CONSTRUCTS REMIDI MADE SPECIFICALLY TO KEEP THINGS RUNNING (BABUS IS LITERALLY A DOLL MEWT HAS IN THE REAL WORLD)

THE SEQUEL IMPLIES THAT IVALICE WAS ACTUALLY REAL AND FINE AFTER ALL BUT THAT WAS AN OBVIOUS LAZY RETOOL TO JUSTIFY A SEQUEL WHERE THEY CAN REUSE ASSETS AND CONCEPTS

>I dont like this, we're going home regardless you like it or not
that is literally what mewt did in the first place

>and theres not even any real evidence any one but the main 4 were transported into the book
THE SAME CUTSCENE THAT TELEPORTS MARCHE INTO IVALICE SHOWS RANDOM PEOPLE ON THE STREET BEING TURNED INTO NU MOU AND SHIT

Marche was right. Only neet faggots disagree with him.

relative to each other I meant

Was it selfish though? Marche did think he was doing what was best for everyone

Because he prefers his boring RL over awesome fantasy adventures with his guildmates.

>it's a manchildren think Marche was in the wrong episode
lol grow up

...

At least he had a reason, he was a fucking kid in a wheelchair that wished for a better world for himself
Then marche found himself without the ego boost of a dependant crippled brother and said "fuck this", despite newt and all his friends liking the new world better

So it was a inconsequential annoyance and waste of time? Good game design there buddy.

MARCHE REALIZIES THAT HIS OWN PERSONAL HAPINESS WITH HIS SUPER AWESOME GUILD/PMC THAT EFFECTIVELY OWNS THE COUNTRY IS NOT WORTH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT EAT SHIT AND AREN'T ONE OF THE PRIVLIDGED FEW

HE IS A SELF SACRIFICING BOURGEOISIE THAT IS WILLING TO GIVE HIMSELF A WORSE LIFE FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS, AND INSTEAD OF BEING A HERO BROKEBRAINS INSTEAD TRY TO PAINT HIM AS A KIND OF VILLAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE WEAK MORAL CHARACTER AND WOULD BE TOTALLY COOL WITH LIVING IN A POSITION OF ABSOLUTE POWER OVER OTHERS

No thanks

t. the one who doesn't have a single problem or hardship in his life.

Pre-Disaster Ivalice > Post-Disaster Ivalice

You cannot refute this.

>Why do a bunch of introverted shut-ins who use fictional worlds as a means of escaping their pitiful lives hate Marche

It's a mystery

I never completed the game, so does Marche remember the events of the game even after everything's back to normal?

If so, then jesus christ, he's either going to write fantasy novels or go insane from the crushing horror of what he went through.

>Sup Forums used to think Marche was wrong or at least accepted that the way he tried to fix things was heavy handed
>nu Sup Forums is wholeheartedly belives that he was right
Rreally makes you think, huh.

i completely ignore these "tough guys" because they are not bound by a wheelchair,you faggots have legs,cut them off and tell me about those hardships later.

DONNED WASN'T THE ONE THAT CHANGED THE WORLD, THAT WAS MEWT, WHO DEALT WITH BEING KIND OF A WIMP THAT DOESN'T STAND UP FOR HIMSELF BY BECOMING A TYRANT

WITH THAT SAID BEING IN A WHEELCHAIR DOESN'T MEAN YOU AREN'T AN ASSHOLE, AND HIS BROTHER CERTAINLY WAS

>this level of depth and controversy
>over a fucking Game Boy game

The kid who changed the world wasn't in a wheelchair, play the fucking game.

Why didn't he use his awesome powers to give everyone a great life in fantasy Ivalice, with magic that would be possible unlike in the real world.

Manchildren amrite?

This level of autism, more like.