Gen 7 is almost over and it's already an unfinished hack job like XY/ORAS

>Gen 7 is almost over and it's already an unfinished hack job like XY/ORAS
>this will be the precedent for every future gen of Pokemon
What the fuck went so horribly wrong?

Literally everything

Can someone rundown me on what is wrong with this game beside being arguably too easy ? gf is still playing it atm and she's loving every single bit of it. I played it too a bit and felt like the logical step to take for the pokemon franchise.

Whats so bad about it ?

oh hey pokebarney, you forgot to post that picture of yours that lists blunders which are curiously only nintendo titles

Is it worth buying? Sun/moon and black2/white2 are the only Pokémon games I haven't played.

Daily reminder that Pokebarney did nothing wrong.

the "dude powerful hardware lmao" meme exiting past the Dreamcast

>What the fuck went so horribly wrong?
GF realized it can half-ass shit and still make a gorillion dollaroos from stupid nostalgiafags and their idiot children.

>What the fuck went so horribly wrong?
Graphics obsession. Game Freak actually went full retard and became so obsessed with high poly models that game fucking tanks. They wasted so much time on developing 600-700 full 3D models they didn't have much left for the game in the case of X/Y. In S/M they decided that X/Y wasn't nearly slow enough, so they decided to add shit like trainer models and animations to the battles to fuck it up even further. They got away with back sprites looking like total shit on the GB, so I have no idea what spurned them to become graphics whores. They didn't even fall for the 3D meme because the game isn't even optimized for that. So it's just GF being retarded at coding as usual.

Can't say it's a precedent.

Hours of cut scenes
Slow game engine
Poor fps in battle
General series fatigue

BW2 are the best games in the series

The only thing I didn't like was the inability to skip cutscenes and dialog. I guess there should be more post story but personally it doesn't bother me much.

>What the fuck went so horribly wrong?
I don't even know but it's the first Pokémon game I couldn't enjoy. It was boring as fuck.

When is the video game industry going to crash from over saturation? It happened in the 80s.

the trials are literally just gym battles but called trials. It was supposed to be some big shake up for the franchise and it's literally the same thing with different wording. I do like a lot of the new pokemon though but they're kind of a pain to find honestly. Personally I felt they were the weakest starters to date too. x and y at least had greninja and chesnaught had a fanbase. I don't feel like the new ones are anybodies favorites but maybe I'm missing some shit.

>we will never get non-gamefreak pokemon game

Who would you want making it

Anybody but gamefreak. Even HAL would be better.

FUCKING THIS.

Fuck even fucking Atlus would do the games better than Gamefreak. At least they have years of veteran dev experience, unlike GF which just got lucky with a shitty, glitched to hell and back RPG.

>tfw Pokémon is too bloated now and nothing can bring it back to its more comfortable roots
Fuck megas

>What the fuck went so horribly wrong?

>Like CoD and Ass Creed in the West, people kept eating up whatever Game Freak shat out, even if it looked mediocre/garbage from the first showing
>Game Freak realized the fans will buy it no matter what they put out, hence shit like X/Y, S/M, and half-assed remakes like ORAS
>Design-wise, Game Freak bit off much more than they could chew with the 3DS hardware and decided to introduce full 3D models for the Pokemon battles. Clearly it was the wrong gen to do so, and now the games have performance problems and awful framerate issues. It's no longer even a "solid" 30fps like during the DS era, and an even further step down from the Gameboy era which had 60fps
>Ken Sugimori no longer does the trainer designs or Pokemon designs during the 3DS era. Ohmura takes over and introduces overdesigned trash
>Gameplay is beyond stale. Instead of doing interesting stuff like expanding the move pool from 4 to 6 or doing something to make battles faster, the games largely play the same as they always have, except now at a sluggish 20fps

TL;DR: Pokemon has been on a downward decline since the DS era.

It has to end sometime, 1000 pokemon is too fucking much.

Why can't they just make a couple games without adding new shitty pokes and instead try to improve everything else.

Pokemon is like Yu-Gi-Oh at this point. It's clear they've run out of ideas when the power creep kicks in hard.

>The set-up of the plot is generally considered uninteresting and boring.
>The island challenge is generally accepted as the way GF could make a game with less content that nobody would notice
>The games have a significant lack of optional or post game material
>Easy, but you knew that
>Most of the totem pokemon have ai set to discourage actually attacking
>"Competitive" was absolutely destroyed by it
>The general slowness of progression, since every few minutes Hau or Lillie stop you to tell you the same shit they told you a few minutes ago (get in the bag, nebby meme was because of this)
>The increased narrative is offset by the fact that the story is Lillie's, and you are only there as the psychopathic ID with an unresponsive, dead fish stare the whole time, which annoys people.
>muh linear progression
>Graphical faggotry/programming incompetence. The models are retardedly hi-poly and not scaled down at all, and while X/Y more or less ran okay, S/M chugs occasionally in 1v1 battles and fucking tanks in doubles (the meta they push, btw) because they had to add more shit the 3ds couldn't handle like trainer animations.
>Despite the above, the models look like shit because they are animated like shit. You get the memegliders, pokemon motionlessly pivoting on space they don't occupy, and general stiffness all around
>muh gen 1 pandering
>Tons of walled-off and unfinished content
>Obvious missing content to either slowly trickle into your game via events, or else to make you play Ultra
>The plot is generally considered to be massively wasted potential for what they could have done with it
>Few new pokemon, and most of them either look like shit, play like shit, or memed all over competitive
>S&M were caught in a dead zone of being too "safe" of departures from the basic formula. As a result, they were neither innovative, or "good" pokemon games
>Waifu pandering
>Pokewaifu pandering

Take your pick. Some are memes, others legitimate complaints.

649 of those models were already done for Pokedex 3D. They just changed a few textures here and there. There's no excuse.

get BW2 right fucking now.
SM is okay but nothing special outside of a few totem pokemon fights.

monolith soft. imagine it

>we will never get a pokemon game as good as Black and white ever again

All i ask for is BW but with a larger map and more in depth story

That's basically what XY and SM did though, instead of adding 100-150 new pokemon like previous games they added 70 and some new forms. SM even took it one step further and made it so there was no national pokedex. They're clearly trying to make it so each game has a small number of pokemon, but they also don't want to break backwards compatibility.

>yfw you realise Pokebarneyfag was right about absolutely everything
He really is the hero that we need but not the one we deserve.

They should stop with the handholding/cutscene.

Or at least make it optional. I like how you were free after 10 minutes in the gameboy games.

There's actually a quote floating around somewhere from the guy who did HG/SS and from the guy who did ORAS.
The HG/SS guy basically said: People kept asking me if the games really need all of this stuff. They are just remakes. I don't feel that way, I think I can make a completely new experience, and want to fill these games with as much as possible. I think the only reason I stopped was I couldn't figure out where to put more.
The ORAS guy basically said: Kids have things like cell phones and tablets, and most won't play these games long enough before moving on to the next thing to find everything, so there's no point in including things like the battle frontier.

BW2 was the peak 2bh probs reached the limit on number of mons, reasonably fast engine, lots of content
Been all downhill since then

Gens 6 and 7 didn't even add that many pokemon. I'm pretty sure Gen 5 added more than both combined.

just retcon gens 6 and 7. easy

>garbage bag Pokemon

Only if Shogo 2 is an easter egg within the game itself.

>angry stone Pokemon

>eggs pokemon
>magnet pokemon

Daily reminder.

it had the most pokemon ever added in the series and was a fresh start with new designs and ideas but they were never fully executed

also you are acting like gen 1 didn't have shitty designs too, and unlike gen 5 which had mostly garbage designs gen V had mostly good designs with a few stupid ones here and there.

also it had MORE THAN 70 FUCKING POKEMON HOLY SHIT WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>dirty gypsy Pokemon
Fair enough

I remember the quote from the ORAS guy.

That made me write off picking up the remakes that year.

I keep hearing BW2 was good but honestly the trainer designs and the majority of the Pokemon designs introduced turned me off to getting them. The last game I picked up was Heartgold, which I thought was great. After that I figured Pokemon just wasn't for me anymore.

Honestly I didn't have a problem with the game being too easy. The first Kahuna swept my team. You just have to not use exp share.

Does SuMo really only use 70 mons

As a player since '99 your genwunner is showing hard.

The real question is that is there a fucking leaf Pokemon?

But none of that is a sign of bad game design, which is what makes a bad game BAD.

The "hours of cutscenes" is a hyperbole, I played through the whole game and sure, the cutscenes were rather intrusive but the story itself was entertaining, some people will have more of a tolerance for reading text than others, which makes it a matter of opinion.

The "slow" game engine is another matter of opinion. Everyone perceives time differently so I can't judge anyone's complaints of it being slow.

And while low FPS are always disappointing to see, it's a turn-based RPG. There're no twitch decisions to be made which means gameplay isn't affected. It's the same as the "slow" complaint.

As for series fatigue... Some people just can't eat icecream everyday.

who knows

70ish new ones and a good amount of returning

It's not the number of pokemons, it's the gameplay that's bloated.
What's all these Megas? What's all these trainer posing to give Pokémon more power?
Although I'm also not a fan of region Pokémon of first gen ones.

>The first Kahuna swept my team
>being this casual
Disgusting. This is the kind of person who's never played a proper bullet hell and thinks Sans was a hard boss.

BW2 is fantastic gameplay and content wise but BW had the better characters and by far the best story in the entire franchise.
If you wanna give gen V a try I'd really recommend playing BW first and BW2 second because on its own I honestly don't consider it as good as other people do.

They made them for casuals. They said in an interview that they make them for the children who use smartphones.

I haven't played pokemon since Diamond and Pearl.

Should I play BW1 or BW2 or both.

>The "slow" game engine is another matter of opinion. Everyone perceives time differently so I can't judge anyone's complaints of it being slow.

>In S/M they decided that X/Y wasn't nearly slow enough
Actually in /vp/ an user went into the code and found out that the programming behind battles in SM constantly re rendered the models over and over for no reason at all which slows the game down tremendously.

The exp share literally has nothing to do with difficulty. It just effects your grind time.
When people say difficulty, they mean things like trainer ai and team size, or a member of the elite four not having a pokemon WITH TWO FUCKING MOVES.

Cod2 was so good and look at the franchise now

Honestly BW2 is amazing, you should give it a chance.

>The "slow" game engine is another matter of opinion. Everyone perceives time differently so I can't judge anyone's complaints of it being slow.
>Dialgafags in this much denial

>largely gen 1 bias
>memes and buzzwords galore

Fuck off with this shit. I have a heavy preference for the Gameboy era (gens 1-3) myself but this image makes a piss poor argument.

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Play HGSS then if you still want more pokemon play BW1 then 2, if only because a playthrough of 2 is improved by having played the first one.

For SM they had to rush the game because they had to meet the 25th aneversary for pokemon. /vp/ went into the code and found a shit ton of unused stuff like areas your house is way bigger than it is in the game with a garage and other rooms, fully modeled pokemon to follow you are still in the game data, the golf course and dozens of un used caves to name a few things.

I liked SM but all these criticisms are spot on

If I was going to buy a modern Pokemon game it would have been BW1, so I might just do that provided I can get them for a decent price.

MAYBE BW2 as well if I ended up liking BW1. But again, I only liked a small selection of the designs. I'd probably end up dumping all the new ones and just using my favorites from Gen 1- 3.

Wait does people still play this series?
Whats even the point of buy the new games, there's no new pokemon or anything enjoyable.
It was fun til GEN V, now the series is boring as fuck.

I wish that they could have an actually good multiplayer system. The PSS was a good start but they went and made that gay castle.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

retarded if true

BW1 only has new mons. 2 on the other hand has a lot returning of fan favourites.

I'm you except I played Heartgold after Diamond. Diamond sucked ass.

This guy is right. Get HG/SS and if you enjoyed either of them try BW1. The 3DS era Pokemon games just haven't been worth it.

It is I don't have the pic with me now. It is also a reason they cut 3D entirely.

>XY league doesnt even have a full team
This was serious bullshit. there are mid game gyms harder to beat than the kalos league.

This. Why put significant time and effort into games when people will still eat your shit up even if you don't try? Pokemon games will sell tons no matter what they do, might as well expend as little effort as necessary.

I am glad I stopped playing in crystal

>The exp share literally has nothing to do with difficulty
pretending to be retard
don´t grind if you want a challenge

>2 on the other hand has a lot returning of fan favourites.

Favorites from BW1 or just all of the past entries? If either is true, you'd sell me on getting BW2 instead since I assume it'd filter all the shit designs.

GF does everything in the worst way possible.

>Cutscenes every 5 minutes, game only becomes playable when you reach the third island.
>SOS mechanics when you don't want to Shiny-chain/EV Train and just want to level up/catch a damn Pokemon.
>Elite Four consists of 2 characters you already fought before, and one that you already know.
>No National Dex, your save file will never read more than "302" Pokemon even if you have all 802 of them.
>They put the evolution location for Crabrawler and Charjabug so damn late into the game it made them not worth using.
>No puzzles...at all. Unless you consider those 3 rock-pushing puzzles in the Ruins to be "puzzles".
>Ultra Beasts are not really part of the plot, only Nihilego shows up, fight it once and then they leave them for the postgame.
>No hunting for a Legendary Pokemon hidden deep in a dungeon, the only real "hidden" legendary is Necrozma and it's a random encounter in a regular area.
>Dungeons are very basic and linear, the only place that feels like a real dungeon is Vast Poni Canyon.
>A lot of areas feel like they should have had more in them but they scrapped the idea. Why Resolution Cave looks like the Zygarde Chamber from Terminus Cave? why the Lighthouse is not accessible? what is with the Golf Course? why the Volcano is not exploreable and you just teleport from one entrance to the exit? why can't you enter that yellow building in Malie Garden?
>No matter what you do, you can't breed and evolve a regular Marowak/Exeeggutor/Raichu in this game.
>There isn't a place good enough to level up your Pokemon even though it's the first game that makes it so important to get a Pokemon to level 100.
>They made most new Pokemon rare - most of them are 10% encounter in grass and others are 10% encounter in bubbling spot (Dhelmise, Bruxish). Not to mention Pokemon that only appear during SOS Battles like Mareanie.

>mfw hacked 3ds
>mfw pirating every 3ds poke game
>mfw injecting pokes left and right
>even super rare event ones
>mfw giving all of my pokes perfect IVs and EVs with PChex++ and PKhex
>mfw buyfags/antihackfags have to grind and breed for hours on end to do what i can do in mere seconds

>Most areas are seperated by "loading gates" and although it doesn't take long to load the next area, it's pretty annoying to see a black screen every damn time you open a fence in Hau'oli City or go through a hole (Po Town)
>Only 81 new Pokemon. Not the smallest gen (that was VI) but second smallest.
>Out of those 81 new Pokemon, they officialy revealed 68 of them (84%) including all the Ultra Beasts, and outside of 18 Alola Formes, they revealed 15 (only Geodude line wasn't revealed). It made people believe the game will have much more Pokemon we didn't see, and when the number was revealed a lot of people were disappointed and we barely had any surprise encounters with new Pokemon.
>Even though they tried to avoid the mistake they did with ORAS Demo when it was possible to datamine the whole game, they made the mistake again and all the new Pokemon were datamined when the demo was released
>Encounter with Red and Blue would be the biggest surprise of the game and they ruined it by revealing it in a trailer.

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BW1 has only new designs but BW2 has loads of the bold favorites, I beat the game with a team with just Gen 1-4 mons

But Sun and Moon were lightyears better than all of Gen 6.

Past entries. BW2 has the largest national dex of the series and it's packed with good shit.

Alright homos, any of you saying it's too easy clearly don't know how to play

1, go into options and turn off the battle prediction. This eliminates the free switch you get after a knock out
2, turn off experience share so your team doesn't over level passively
3, run from all wild encounters unless you areally catching something, every. Single. One. Again this stops you from over leveling
4, finally don't use any items in battle like health restoratives

These are crutches that exist to allow little kids to make it through the game. If you want a challenging game try not playing it in kid mode??

Reminder that BW2 was kino pokemon and we'll never have that level of pokemon again.
The dream is dead bros.

The latter.
The first or second route you can catch shit like Mareep and Riolu.

don't forgot wild eevees

>only 300 mons + some more with island scan

This is bad?! Fuck him, I don't want another kalos for fucks sake.

A shame the HA eevee you can get in game is limited to post game. Would love to have a magic bounce Espeon in game.

>fully modeled pokemon to follow you are still in the game data

They better implement this in USUM, why go through the trouble of making all those walking models only to not use them?

>turn off experience share so your team doesn't over level passively

You shouldn't even have to turn that off, the levels of Pokemon should scale with you. It is so fucking basic, how has gamefreak not implemented this yet, even romhacks of X/Y ORAS and SM can do it.

>too easy

People who say this mean that battles in story mode are not difficult. That's not really the point of pokemon, and it's not where the actual challenge is.

The challenge of the game is taking on the RNG to catch breed and train perfect pokemon. It's about collecting, not great battle mechanics.

It was posted by an data miner that unveiled all the hidden things about the game. I do not have the source but it was like 2 weeks ago it was found.

Because they had to rush to meet the 25th anniversary deadline. It is also possible that the o3ds cannot run it and it would have made it for the n3ds only.

Looks like I'll skip BW1 and get BW2 then. Thanks.

It's a damn shame they fucked up Sugimori's trainer designs from BW1, but that aside I'm starting to get why people love BW2 so much.

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