>Play new hyped up MMO
>Think is gonna be different this time
>"Kill X in Y area" or "Loot Z things by killing X guys in Y area" over and over and over and over again with mediocre writing and literally who tier characters on top of it
>Unless it tries to introduce something new or add a spin to the formula, combat is so-so at best too.
Is there even any good MMO out there anymore? And no, FFXIV or WoW aren't good.
I'm just waiting for Crowfall.
>Playing a meme genre
It was Black Desert Online, wasn't it?
Play Secret World.
>And no, FFXIV or WoW aren't good.
XIV combat is pretty damn fun to me. The dungeon designs are utterly boring, except for the visuals, but the boss encounters are usually quite fun.
Story is also decent with some characters actually being memorable, likeable or utterly villainous. At times all three at once.
If at this point you don't know what you're getting into when you're starting a new mmo you need to off yourself.
ESO is pretty much the only good mmo
all quests are immersive, voice acted, and story driven.
you get fetch quests and kill quests but it makes sense in the narrative and leads to a conclusion with choices and dialog
just launched a new expansion and you can get the base game thats like 900 hours of content for like 8-15 bucks
ffxiv expansion was nothing butjavascript:quote('382769852'); those kinds of quests
the fuck you talking about
also forgot to mention ESO is only if you like elder scrolls games, youll hate it otherwise
Literally all it has is decent cutscenes and they fucked some combat with their relaunch
The biggest issue is the combat. Combat is what I'll be doing for the majority of the time, so why the fuck do they think tab targeting shit is acceptable?
I'm not playing any fucking MMO until the combat is comparable to its non-MMO counterparts (e.g. third person melee comparable to at least NierA).
get the fuck outta here with that cash shop shit.
>rng loot gambling crates
>in game housing, for show. nothing else.
>crafting is basically locked behind a sub(storage space)
>on online game in history where triple digit pings are the norm, and considered good
>new expansion, no free char slot
>ffxiv expansion was nothing butjavascript:quote
I never said it wasn't, but that doesn't change that FF14 story is still decent despite the ridiculous amounts of fetch quest with some awesome characters to boot. This holds true even if the quest design is shit.
>why the fuck do they think tab targeting shit is acceptable?
It's a different style of gameplay. I enjoy both Devil May Cry and FF14 for its gameplay/combat, but you can't go into one expecting the other.
When the fuck is FFXIV's storyline anything but below average tier garbage? It's literally FFXI's plot with less politics, less depth, more moeblobs and a cast of entirely inconsecuential, flat morons that get the credit for everything that happens off-screen, and the more the game tries to push "tweests", the more you sit there dumbfounded at how mentally challenged your character must be to not see the OBVIOUS GLARING HAPPENINGS that you are never allowed to avoid.
Oh by the way, Asian grinders like Revelation Online actually HAVE combat that's comparable to Nier. Game's fucked for a multitude of different reasons however, but if the combat is your only bar for entry, there you go.
Black Desert might have slightly worse combat, but in return the game is less fucked in general so maybe check that out as well.
>When the fuck is FFXIV's storyline anything but below average tier garbage?
During Heavensward it was. Original Heavensward story was on par with some of the offline FFs.
I'm not saying it's mind blowingly good here, I'm saying it's decent, which to me is average or slightly above.
Can you fuckwits just stop trying to play mmos instead of whining all the time making everything now some shit action combat spam fest with cinematic bullshit everywhere.
Get out get OUT GETOUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
tab targetting, gcd limited combat is fine you prick
>playing mmos for muh story
mmos are all about acquisition of gear and becoming more powerful. it has to be time consuming and repetitive, there's no way around it
runescape is the best mmo ever made
this. you need separation between a player who plays for 2 hours a week and someone who's investing 20 hours a week. the gameplay is always going to be grindy
>It's literally FFXI's plot
>less politics
>more moeblobs
literally the opposite of every one of those things is true
wat
or you could just make it skill based combat, that way its not based on grind but PRACTICE.
>Omega's *touches scar* is a chocobo
You really want more shitters in mmos?
>Consistently do over 3000 DPS as a Bard in Omega
>Not the best I know, but decent
>Everyone else in my parties can't even hit 2000
I'm not even that good what the fuck
>BRD shitter complaining about shitters
pottery
j/k, I feel you man
I'm enjoying FFXIV. It's really chill so far
14's story is absolutely nothing like 11's. At least not any more than every other FF
14 is almost entirely about politics, 11 has a little bit in the base game
11 has a designated waifu in every expansion, 14 has... khloe I guess?
I'm waiting for ashes of creation to fail before I permanently give up on mmos because no mmo will make crafters their own thing and be important. And no, FFXIV crafting is fucking shit and if you want the best exp rates you need to level up a combat class for leves.
Don't make this into a FFXIV thread unless you want the mod to prune it. FFXIV threads aren't allowed on Sup Forums anymore because you cunts overstayed your welcome and now you've earned the ire of a mod. Three threads have been pruned about ffxiv the past hour.
he'll get bored eventually
>Play new hyped up MMO
>Think is gonna be different this time
Why people do this to themselves? It's like waiting for the next Mario Kart to play like Gran Turismo.
You don't want to play MMOs, just accept it already. There are tons of non-massively online games out there.
FFXIV was a huge dissapointment to me, loved ff11
Goddamn, you weebs are parasites. Stop shitting up threads with your bullshit and go hang out with the other losers at /xivg/. These are not your generals just because there's a slight mention of ff14 in the OP, you sad fuck. No wonder your threads get deleted on Sup Forums
>WoL confirmed weakest FF protag
Star Wars Galaxies is never coming back
I really want to like FFXIV. I just hit level 30 and just finished the part where you pick a grand company.
I feel like I'm still not to the part where the game "picks up" yet. Like I'm still in tutorial mode.
I also hate how sparse and seemingly random voice acting is. Everyone moves their mouths yet no voice comes out. Did SE run out of money for VAs mid production or something?
Hows Black Desert?
>Board always has a thread up about Mario or Zelda constantly
>And even Nier Automata
>But XIV isn't allowed because?
How to make good MMO guide:
-Fun combat system that could stand on its own. Big protip: Revelation Online, Blade and Soul, or similar don't qualify due to being tab target at its core
-Easy to hit equipment caps. Anyone putting effort in should be able to get top of the line gear while leaving minimal room for improvement that would require actual autism of around 10% DPS improvement kind
-Most of player money both in game and real should be spent on various cosmetics and vanity items
-Just don't fucking gender/race lock classes you fucks
-Make sure raids are hard as fuck without many ways to cheese them or get more handicap with equipment. DPS checks and sandbag phases are bad mechanics. Instakill attacks or attack ignoring defense are good mechanics.
Eden Eternal have a FF14 class system but free to play and you can play as a mouse person. Literally the only MMO that I play nowadays and literally the only reason why I play it.
Awful
Assholes shilling make mods mad on a site that's having advertising problems.
Who would of thought?
> How to make good MMO guide:
>Fun combat system
Woah we have a professional MMO designer right here.
Eden Eternal is still around? I remember playing beta and release with Hot Glue and causing a lot of salt.
ESO or GW2 are the only non sub MMOs worth it.
If you like wasting lots of time and/or money you can play WoW.
Otherwise your better off playing through old games.
>talking about something
>must be shilling!
Why would you even play an MMO if you don't want to grind gear or do raid content ? Might as well play skyrim
I almost bought BDO before I remembered why I even stayed away from it.
I just want a decent coop game with good character customization, something that isn't an isometric medieval fantasy arpg or subscription based.
He wants to play skyrim with other people.
>Raids are the last point
>Implying people play MMOs to grind
Skyrim with dodge rolling so it's skill based.
What is ESO
Toooooood!!!!!
To be fair, he's completely on point about people getting credit for whatever you do or random shit offscreen. Stormblood was a pretty glaring case of this.
I think FFXIV story is one of the best in MMOs out there (maybe even rivaling WoW), but it falls far short of actual good games.
>themepark
>tab targeting
>"holy" trinity
Sure indicators than an MMO will be cancer. If it isn't acceptable in a singleplayer game, it isn't acceptable in any game.
>the two most deserving and most innovative MMOs of the past decade couldn't even keep people subscribed
>the most trite, least progressive, full of weeb attracting cancer succeeded
Why is this happening? Don't we deserve better?
Most MMO's being tab targeting shit is a technology issue
Honestly not sure, been a while since I last touch it. Like Maplestory for a hour once a year, Runescape for a hour or two once a year, Path of Exile whenever there is a new league to do to collect shit for standard that I don't even touch, Warframe whenever I want something mindless and grindy and Eden Eternal whenever I'm in the mood for a standard MMO (which haven't been for a long ass time) is pretty much as deep as I go with MMOs nowadays. Maplestory is literally nothing but endgame content layered on already endgame content and Runescape just isn't social anymore and with the devs charging more because they are doing less retard logic really put me off from supporting it anymore. So as far as I care the MMOs that I grew up with are dead and the newer ones aren't really worth putting time into. PoE is good for it league based gameplay but sadly it also make it time based with long periods of nothing to do and personally FF14 lag horribly for me though that is most likely an issue with my services and not the game itself but it doesn't stop it from being unplayable for me.
>it's not shilling honest
>same title every time, either the image file or the title
This is exactly how paid shilling works, getting the title of the new expansion is a requirement.
>everyone's so jealous of Stormblood's success they can't help but hate it in every thread they enter
It's kind of sad tbqhfam.
You underestimate how autistic the mods are when it comes to threads they don't like. They even remove on-topic vidya threads for no reason.
FFXIV has actually been posted/shill/discussed much more frequently than I think anything else on Sup Forums. There's 1 zelda thread comparing it to xenogears and a Nier thread but it's low effort bullshit that should be pruned. I'd say the biggest problem is that FFXIV was rarely posted on Sup Forums and suddenly it became something that is posted more than anything else which brought shitposters going into other threads shilling or baiting with FFXIV.
Still, Mario and Zelda threads aren't always about a specific game unlike FFXIV threads so it's a bit disingenuous to compare the two and BotW threads aren't really as common as they were before while FFXIV always has a thread about it up. Well, did.
TSW combat was garbage when it first launch. You can blame that.
XIV is successful precisely because it's not needlessly "progressive" or "innovative". It's playerbase are the people who are sick and tired of every new mmo being some half-baked action game with a grind tacked on.
>shilling
it's literally all gameplay discussion in FF14 threads at the moment because the expansion is fresh with plenty of changes, new story developments, new bosses and new classes to discuss
The game "shills" itself, because it's actually a legit good mmorpg and definitely the most played mmo on Sup Forums
Stop shilling FFXIV Stormblood. Guys, this is what a FFXIV Stormblood shill looks like. Avoid any FFXIV Stormblood faggot like this at all cost. FFXIV Stormblood is a bad game. FFXIV Stormblood will take your life away and steal your money. FFXIV Stormblood is the jew of the video game world.
>getting the title of the new expansion is a requirement.
Ooooor
maybe
but just maybe
and this is just an idea here, since I'm not sure
people put Stormblood in the title so people who look for the discussion of Stormblood have an easier time finding it?
FF14 has been referred to by it's expansion name ever since Heavensward. It's no surprise people call Final Fantasy 14 - Stormblood just by it's subtitle.
I like Secret World
Whatever faults it had can be excused that they managed to pull of a 2spooky paranormal setting in an MMO. It's bascally VtmB Online
Digimon Masters Online is the pinnacle of MMORPGs. Everything from drops to even the Cash Shop is RNG. That's right, you can spend $500 in the Cash Shop and have a chance at having nothing to show for it. Based Koreans.
vg exists for generals
people ignoring the rules doesn't automatically make it shilling
As you have no doubt been told several times, it is impossible to police Sup Forums as user and there are several more franchises and games that have nonstop generals on Sup Forums. You're becoming the barneyfag of MMOs.
And you are a fucking comedian.
It is though, everyone knows it is.
You don't know what shilling is, do you?
You seem new.
If you make enough of an asshole of yourself they ban everyone who posts in the thread, not everyone can evade.
/vg/ is for people too austismo for /soc/, not for talking about games
>It's bascally VtmB Online
I'm a hardcore World of Darkness fan and boy, are you wrong. TSW is a dimestore version of that universe.
>I'm not playing any fucking MMO until the combat is comparable to its non-MMO counterparts (e.g. third person melee comparable to at least NierA).
I'm not new though, and that very rarely happens on this board. It happens on smaller boards all of the time though.
>WoD
So when's that mmo coming?
If you keep on repeating it maybe you'll even convince yourself.
Never ever, I hope. You'd have to pull a post-WoW Ultima Online for it to be not only playable, but also faithful to the source material, and that is simply not going to happen.
It's been used very effectively on Sup Forums to ban generals, you can keep making the threads but they die because you either have nobody to post in it cause they get 3 days bans or they can't be arsed to ban evade.
The hunger game threads on Sup Forums were killed like this, and they were as bad as you faggots.
They live on /trash/ now
>Sup Forums mods killing one the few actual vidya discussion on the board
I expect nothing less of them
Just go play Albion Online you fucking faggets
It's not the mods that are against you though, there are lots of posters that hate your guys spam and report the threads to help them.
Shill me on it
Are you arguing Sup Forums isn't killing vidya discussion?
I'm not following here
its like oldschool runescape but better
big focus on PVP/GVG
non centralized player driven economy
no classes
see you in the other side user
>EXTREMELY limited number of avaivable actions in combat (like 8?)
>can buy ingame currency directly from the dev
>controls are designed to enable mobile phone play
no thx
If Zenimax werent huge ass jews i would have said TESO.
Locking away bags to store crafting materials behind a VIP membership in a game you have to buy is a shitty move. And you need them. Otherwise you are forced to browse your inventory every 3 minutes to throw away the least valuable items because crafting materials take up like 90% of your capped inventory and capped stash. WHAT THE FUCK!
Now this is the shilling I wanted.
>make storage space a premium / paid feature
>introduce so many items free stash space is too limited
welcome to
>Path of Exile
>Marvel Heroes
>every other f2p game
It's the bread and butter of their payment model and has proven one of the most widely accepted ways to coax money out of players. It's quite horrible really.
I really hope you don't believe that. Because that's hilariously incorrect.
The mod could just ban the shitposters because people are making threads here specifically to avoid shitposters, but that's effort right?
If that even remotely worked, we wouldn't be having FE: Heroes or FGO threads so fucking often.
Now get this same storage premium feature + inconceivable amount of items and apply it under a paid subscription model.
Welcome to FFXIV.