Fucking seriously, if this mining bullshit continues like this...

Fucking seriously, if this mining bullshit continues like this, I'm giving up on wanting an upgrade and I will just switch to consoles for gaming and some shitty Linux laptop for work and office related bullshit.

Just go buy a GTX 970 or R9 390 off ebay, they aren't power efficient enough for miners to buy.

just get an r9 390/380
you dont have to run everything on ultra and unless its over 50% performance increase youre wasting your money

Do you seriously not understand that the second a piece of hardware becomes less economical for miners that they will sell their used shit for pennies on ebay?

This is a good thing for us. Means cheaper hardware in the long run.

>wanting some card ran at 100%, 24/7 , probably about to die
nope

>wanting a GPU which ran 24/7 on full load for months
retard

this

Just don't buy graphics cards right now. Hurt them for catering to minecucks.

How does one buy crypto shit anyway?

There are 900 ching chong and ruskie exchanges. The trick is finding a good one.

Your claims are nothing but FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt).

The cards are designed to run at full load for thousands upon thousands of hours, and even if a miner uses up 50% of the life of the card you'll never even come close to using the remaining 50%. If a GPU is going to fail it's going to do it early on in the life of the card. If it can make it through mining it will certainly make it through the usage of a typical video gamer.

But go ahead. Be a moron and buy new "just to be safe". Cheaper hardware for me.

This happened to a friend of mine.

>Buy GTX760 from eBay
>Friend recieves, put in his comptuer
>2 weeks later it fails and dies
>He goes out and gets a 1060Ti, brand new, from shops because he now believes that everything sold online is destined to fail quickly.

Do you see this? This is a 5 volt blower fan that you can find in a lot of blow-up Christmas decorations. My mom has snowman that has one of these in bottom of it. It runs at 100% all the time when power is supplied to it. My mom has had that snowman for about 20 years now and runs 24/7 for about 3 months out of the year from November through January.

This last year it finally gave out. That's about 5 years of total run time together. Out in the cold and rain and snow most of that time.

This is the part that is going to go bad on a mining GPU. The GPU itself is practically bullet-proof since almost all miners will run at default clock speeds or even undervolt their GPU to save electricity and lifespan.

The blower fan in reference GPU is probably a better quality fan than the cheap shit you find in a k-mart christmas decoration. And isn't out in the weather.

kek he was still in the return window. Did he at least get a refund?

>I'm giving up on wanting an upgrade and I will just switch to consoles for gaming and some shitty Linux laptop for work and office related bullshit.
no you wont.

lol fucking jerkoff. glad I live next to a microcenter. sucks for you. gpu prices right now do make me mad desu senpai. at least MC has open box deals.

>buying used hardware
No thanks, I've been burned enough times.

also, we need mining gpus now. that way it levels out the gaymen gpus. fuck off.

Buy the square trade warranty if you need a security blanket.

MTBF is about 5-6 years of mixed use for a gpu.

>cuckminers being so jewish they keep spamming their "le undervolted le underclocked card is perfect pls buy mine after I use it 24/7 for years" meme
fuck off, go scam another board. Sup Forums and Sup Forums are already full of your shit

Nope, he threw it in the bin and bought the 1060 not long after that.

I asked him some days later what he's done with it and he tells me he's thrown it away.
>furious.dll
I could have taken that card and looked into it, see if I could repair it. But no, now it's rotting in some trash pile.

That is including the early failures, which any card used for mining will be past the point where you can expect manufacturing defects to lead to a failure.

GPUs are like hard drives. If they can last past a couple of hundred hours of use they will probably last nearly forever.

The cooler on it alone was resalable. Those will go for about $20 shipped sometimes.

t. miner looking to sell the cards he ran ragged

Not unless those GPU's are Seagate-tier.

I had 3 Seagates die on me within a month, good times.

I know, but my friend knows literally nothing about computers, I had to come over and help him pick out the parts and build it for him, update drivers and install programs.

Not that I'm complaining, I actually enjoy doing that kind of stuff, it's just the fact that he threw the whole card away without even asking if I could look into it that tickles my nose hairs in the wrong way.

If I couldn't have fixed it, I could have atleast resold the cooler, like you say, or take it apart for spares later down the line.

Show me any data that says mining kills GPUs. I know you won't because you can't find it. Just a basic google search leads you to several threads where people say the chance of a mining card going bad is negligible.

It's just a Sup Forumsiddie theory made up by people who don't know anything about the technical side of things but get scared when they hear a GPU fan whirring at 100% speed. It's loud so it has to be hurting the poor little thing, right?

>I had 3 Seagates die on me within a month, good times.
That's exactly what I was getting at. If a hard drive is going to fail it will usually do it early on. If a drive has been running solid for a few months you can probably expect it to last the next decade.

I got a 1tb Seagate drive in my PC right now, it's been running for about 6 months. Hopefully it lasts.

>show me any data that proves that letting electronic devices running 24/7 without interruption will make their lifespam shorter

> a great product vs products with planned obsolescence

GPUs have souls, they have feelings. If you thought about it deeply, and channeled your spirit through the circuits of your PC, and really tried to understand it on a personal level, if you TRULY loved PC gaming, you would know too. I won't forgive people who treat them like trash, like nothing but tools for their own personal gain.

Well you may be out of luck, because 2 out of the 3 Seagates I had were the 1TB versions, and they were literally unplayable.

kek, dude really wear and tear doesnt break anything its your fault amirite

>he fell for the wait meme

It's a fan and lump of silicon. It's going to take a long, long time to wear out.

>mining
>against 2017 blockchain encryption
Literally more expensive for the electricity unless you live in rural china.

Also the amount of farmable crypto is negligible unless you own an acre-size mining farm full of literally millions of dollars in hardware, making the tradeoff questionable at best.

The people with both prerequisites number in the dozens and are likely losing money regardless.

Mining shortages are a meme.
You worried about this for nothing. Have a random /m/ pic as compensation.

Here's the joke: Prebuilts are more cost efficient now thanks to this fuck shit.

>>show me any data that proves that letting electronic devices running 24/7 without interruption will make their lifespam shorter
That's actually been a subject of debate for 50 years or longer now. The whole "should you turn your computer off at night?" debate.

So far the answers has been it is slightly better to turn off at night. 2nd best thing is to let it run 24/7. Worst thing is to power on and off several times during the day. I would say it's the same for GPU usage. voltage and temperature swings do more damage than being at 100% all of the time.

but how long until it all crashes and then prices are able to return to normal?

Notice the article says "quietly releases" for that motherboard. Manufacturers aren't supplying the cause of a shortage, they're creating it.
Probably due to ramping up production for holidays when they know they sell all their GPUs. Mining being related is just media bullshit.

>he doesn't know about ETH
been livin' under a rock for the last year?

build a real gaming PC with a 1080 or better, their prices havent budged since miners are after all the console tier budget cards

>muh poorman's buttcoin
Ethereum is the biggest retard honeypot there is. Slightly more effective decryption to earn 1-2 more shekels from your literally burning GPUs until the founders short every retard in the game and run with their money.

nobody will buy your used 480, miningger

On the topic of virtual currency and mining, what is this mining for?

What are you doing when your computer runs through, decrypting things? What is it decrypting and for who?

Fucking 480 on Newegg for 739.99 USD, meanwhile, a prebuilt with the same card is $750

absolutely never ever

SOC and single board based systems will probably tip that back towards system builders in the not too distant future, but obviously only for the low end.

Mid range cards will hopefully come back down in price again soon, but it may require a half-generation for AMD and Nvidia to figure out some way to cripple cards for the miners without crippling them for gaming. Which may not even be possible now for AMD since the best drivers to use with their hardware are open source and on Linux where they wouldn't be able to remove functionality or nerf the hardware even if they wanted to since the community could simply reject the patches and/or fork.

never underestimate desperate poorfags

Honestly, if the market doesn't repair itself by Cyber Monday (which is what most people wait on if they don't buy right away), NVIDIA & AMD are going to take big hits in the dick.

Is your mom hot? What hes opinion on slow anal.

>Open sores is good, they said

Heat stress is no joke

And the CHIPS are designed to run thousands of hours, the cheap taiwanese crap they're placed in isn't

What's this mining bullshit I've seen on Sup Forums today?

what is electron migration?

Up to twice as fast as the 'official' AMD supplied drivers, and way more stable to boot.

They even support Direct3D on GNU/Linux allowing for full speed legacy Windows applications.

Crypto currency mining. The earliest days of bitcoin it wasn't hard to just set your computer up to generate brand new coins in a couple of hours. With the amount of coins available though it's getting harder and harder to generate new coins. Thus "mining specific" cards have been popping up.

How are they generated? You literally just use your PC to make currency appear out of nothing? Wouldn't that cause inflation and such?

are there better open source amd drivers for windows? or is it purely a linux thing?

Basically a way to make money(cryptocurrency) by running software that solves some data bullshit. It's all the rage right now because prices of cryptocurrencys are actually good currently, so people are buying rigs made specifically for it in droves. It's raising the prices of certain graphics cards, too.

see
Some graphics cards were better than others at it. Bitcoin has a ceiling that hasn't been reached yet as well (it's going to come eventually though) but in the mean time, yes, it's creating new currency.

Video cards are designed to run at full load for extreme periods of time, as long as they aren't significantly overclocked it won't hurt the life of the card in the long run.

why would they want to cripple cards for miners? theyd be shooting themselves in the foot by removing demand for their products

>using energy to decrypt data sets to be given fractions of a internet coin backed by nothing is the answer to globalization

Are minners brain dead? What's the point?

Still haven't seen a reasonable argument why someone shouldn't buy one.

Pretty smart of them to take advantage of those mining retards and market a product to them.

Something that doesn't matter here.

>have a 980
>haven't needed to upgrade my pc in two years
>won't need to upgrade for another few years
>not paying any attention to this mining shit whatsoever

>mon visage

It's like stocks, it's a speculative market. Most people aren't in it to "fite da joos" but rather they see what it's being traded for going up and up and want in to make a return.

No. There is a single unique thread of operations that every time it get solved, a new coin is generated. Everybody involved with the crypto currency track this progress in real time and everybody will write down that someone mined a coin. Each time it gets solved, a new harder operation gets generated. This will go on until it reaches its end, which means there are limited amounts for the currency

i want pcbros to apologize to consoles right now.

>>not paying any attention to this mining shit whatsoever
You could use that GPU to nearly literally print money right now.

Linux-exclusive, in the past it might have been possible on Windows, but back then the open drivers were basically just a way to get a command line to show with no concern to gaming performance and Microsoft now is way more strict than they used to be about requiring drivers to be signed.

One possible bright spot the open drivers use a middleware layer called Gallium which is in effect a very low level graphics hardware API not all that different from Vulkan, the RadeonSI and Nine devs have actually talked about shifting their stacks over to run on top of a Vulkan driver and it seems it would be possible though there were a couple of hypothetical extensions they talked about needing. So in the future it might be possible to run a third-party OpenGL or Direct3D stack on top of Vulkan regardless of platform.

>run cards 24/7 for weeks (or months)
>electron migration doesn't matter

What if it's just a recolor or remodel?

explain

It doesn't. How long has your cable box or satellite receiver been running? How about your PC, laptop, and phone?

wrong
you'll be attached to a pool of miners
you'd be getting a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of "money"
even less now because all the kikes and newfags

1% of what flipping burgers will get you in profit

ETH value is currently more than the costs of electricity to run the card for most people.

I'm sorry that I won't be buying any of you because of your continued poor hardware.

Same reason they sell consumer cards, and workstation cards that are basically the same thing but with slightly different drivers and warranties.
Miners will pay $750 for a $250 card, so why not launch a line specifically for miners at a much higher MSRP?

Some money > no money at all.

no worries friend, microsoft has you covered :)

>people actually buy second hand computer parts

What are you stupid? If it wasn't old and busted they wouldn't be selling it

You're an idiot.

Poorfags exist, user.

>killing desktop PC gaming was the plan all along

>tfw 980 Ti

>1060ti
That doesn't exist

No matter how much money you have you should still buy used.

I've had a western digital blue drive die on me within a few months with virtually no usage.

Yes, and they (we) know better than to spend money on something of shit quality, so MORE money has to be spent to buy it again when it fucks up.

I meant 1050Ti, fuck me sideways.

They are not running at load 24/7 at temperatures above 80 degrees you fucking moron.

>buy used workstation PC with rugged design and components built to last 500,000+ hours
vs
>buy POS new prebuilt consumer trash built from lowest-bidder chink crap that has a very good chance of not making it through the first two years of usage and dies right after the warranty runs out. Also worse performance in benchmarks.

Wat? You just go to fucking localbitcoins you fucking idiots, then proceed to buy drugs.

>unless you live in rural china
Guess where miners have started springing up?

The good news is that those morons crash every market they enter into, and ETH is such a retarded investment it's just asking to crash.

>miners start buying up gaming products creating a shortage for actual gaming enthusiasts
>manufacturers respond by creating products specifically created for the purpose of mining, therefore diverting the miners buying gamer gear to the new mining gear
>this is somehow bad

tell me again how the free market doesnt fix it self

i burned out my current card in like 3 years. it's still limping along but i'm getting fucked up graphical glitches if i play for too long

I've had my £80 GTX760 used for over a year now, and I have no problems with it.
I don't need to spend huge amounts of money on the latest graphics card so I can play >muh 4k 60fps. I don't care. As long as it plays stable 60fps on my 1660x1040 monitor, I'm set, and for now, the 760 is doing fine.

Your cable or satellite box is very likely running at 100% load most of the time. The internal temp is likely higher than 80 c.

Know what you are talking about before commenting any further.