Why did Kojima ruin Big Boss by turning him into some Che Guevara character in Peace Walker?

Why did Kojima ruin Big Boss by turning him into some Che Guevara character in Peace Walker?

>leads sandinistas tryint to stablish a comunist regime in costa rica
>main antagonist is a CIA station chief
>is literally compared to Che Guevara ingame
>looks exactly like Che Guevara

Don't Kojima know that Che was a sociopath, rapist, cruel executioner that killed many innocent civilians, including women and children in favor of an evil dictator and a broken, corrupt regime that is, to this day, making life hell to people in Cuba?

Is Kojima, dare I say... a hack?

MGS3 had a good balance, by making the USA and the USSR equally as corrupt and evil, at least their organizations, that played by no rules and were immoral as fuck.

But Kojima seems to have leaned more and more to idolizing the left on subsequent games...

Another retard Sup Forums fag right-wing cuck whinning about shit he learned from USA propaganda.

Face it, che was no saint but he lead people to freedom along with Castro. Are u such a retard to discuss things you only saw on TV or heard your righty shitty parents said?

It's the most commie Metal Gear ever made but don't forget Big Boss establishes PMC bussiness model which is a free market for army services, which has a capitalism base, supply and demand. There's no state in outer heaven and the fact they support private army and their other ideals I'd say big boss was always an ancap faggot.

yeah freedom from the internet and thootbrushes lol

I mean, even MSF logo has the ancap flag colors on it

Thats the point.

Even Cubans hated Castro and Che. You're likely the one who got hit with the propaganda cool-aid.

Also, if a rebel kills innocents in his own country then he is evil, not the voice of change

>Face it, che was no saint but he lead people to freedom along with Castro
>freedom

It looks like you are the one being fed leftist propaganda.

Most biographys of Che are based on his writings heavily edited by Castro's regime to serve as propaganda.

Fuck off with this ''freedom fighter'' nonsense...

I really don't think you know how Cuba was like before them.

Reminder that Cuba has an extremely high literacy rate and good healthcare

>good healthcare
HAHAHAHAHA THE STATE OF FIRST WORLD COMMUNISTS

You mean a primary color and black? wow, FUCKING PROVED, CASE CLOSED GUYS!

What're you talking about? You think just having free healthcare and fudging literacy numbers makes your country a paradise?

This has to be bait...

Is this the reason engineers are working as cab drivers to make a decent living?

Don't get me wrong, Castro and Che are shit tier, but they made Cuba better than it was before

for themselves yeah, the rest still lives in poverty

This I can understand. They were still monsters who shit on innocent people to boost their own power and wealth.

Cuba would have been much better today if Castro never took power.

When the fucking USSR say to you that your country is unsustainable and threaten to cut the financial aid if you don't put your shit together, this is how you know you have stablished a really, really bad system.

>this is what college going, trust fund using, antifa supporting faggots actually believe

I don't think YOU fully understand what life was like for the average citizen under the reign of the communistic government and Castro...

Nah, Cuba sucks right now, but it's better off with Che and Castro than without

As opposed to any other capitalist latin american country?

Well, yeah, but at least after the war, they weren't being fucking massacred and tortured

>Cuba would have been much better today if Castro never took power.
Do you really want me to show you how shit tier batista was?

And I don't think you understand how life is in latin american countries that the US fucked up either

Is this the power of american education?

Big boss is an asshole

>Well, yeah, but at least after the war, they weren't being fucking massacred and tortured
wrong

Far better than life in failed Soviet states.

It's really not. Remove the communist party from power and watch, the quality of life for the average Cuban will improve greatly

>As opposed to any other capitalist latin american country?

Nigger, Chile is a fucking paradise compared to Cuba.

Not a coincidence that it is practically the only right leaning country in south america...

>And I don't think you understand how life is in latin american countries that the US fucked up either
where do you live

Compare how Poland and Czech Republic turned out rather than Guatemala and Paraguay

Lol, reminder that le free market fucked Mexico up in the 90's

Are you fucking saying that Chile is the only capitalis country in latin america? Uruguay is doing much better, and it recently had a left leaning president

Mexico

Please, tell me how North Korea is also better of with Kim Jong Un than without...

Oh, wait, you don't have to go to a parallel universe to figure it out, just look at fucking south corea, you brainwashed commie scum.

No. My dad us from Cuba and left when Castro had a death grip on the government. He said it was absolutely shit, and he took EVERYTHING from the people and left them with nothing, all while the party leaders and regime sat in their ivory towers.

People were literally being lined up and gunned down in the streets, like the CoD 4 mission where you play as the president of the middle eastern country or whatever.

If people would rather sit on a tire boat for possibly weeks than stay in your country, you know something is fucked.

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I mean its certainly possible, but not because batista and his cronies were greater humanitarians. castro was no saint, and no one should ever idolize him. however its pretty irresponsible to ignore the effect the US played in destroying the cuban economy with sanctions because their dictator of choice got unseated by a populist with an opposing ideology.

The che figure is cool, what else do you need? Its a fucking videogame

im sorry youre retarded if you think cuba is better than mexico

It's OK, once MGSurvive and a new trilogy come out, you'll be begging for him back. Yeah, every Metal Gear since 2001 has been pretty dumb, but they were more entertaining to follow and play. It sucks that Kojimbo became obsessed with a character that didn't even need expanding, but what are you gonna do?

Mexico has its own problems, the biggest is that it's on the American border so generally the good Mexicans flee to the us while drug cartels and corrupt politicians fill in the gaps left by those immigrants

>Uruguay is doing much better
wrong

>And I don't think you understand how life is in latin american countries that the US fucked up either

the US succesfully stopped a comunist cue in Brazil, supporting the military dictatorship in 1964.

As a brazillian myself, I thank the US and regret how the military gave up. Just look at Brazil now, after years of left goverment.

SAVE US AGAIN, USA, PLEASE!

Che Guevara represents more than who he actually was and what he actually fought for. He is a symbol of a revolutionary struggle, a hero, he is larger than life, because he dedicated himself to spreading his ideals all over the world. His life was struggle and fight against what he percieved the evils of the world, just like BB's entire life is constant warfare.This idea is in general a throwback to middle 19th century, when you had inspired revolutionaries, fighting for freedom of nations, like Garbaldi, Mierosławski, Bem. (or Colonel Aureliano Buendia)

Che is a patron saint of revolutionaries, even if he was a cunt, commie and you hate him for multiple things, his image trenscended ideology.

Why does Sup Forums praise Big Boss by constantly assuming that he's some James Bond character like in Snake Eater?

> Leads Paramilitary groups in Zanzibar Land (Venom)/Outer Heaven
> Is main antagonist in first (Venom) and second game
> Is literally made out to be a military organization
> Looks exactly like a BBEG

Doesn't Sup Forums know that Big Boss was always a sociopath, pervert, cold executioner that killed whoever and whatever got in his way, much like an evil dictator in a broken an corrupt dream free from government that, to this day, had to be fixed and carried out by his subordinate and clone because all he really did was make life hell for the people of the world?

South Korea is fucking horrible right now. It's fucking disgusting that most of their life is spent in a cubicle and most of their teenage years are spent studying and being beta autists

I really don't think your dad lived before the time of the revolution, and I don't think you know how bad it was before.

Also, if your dad chose to escape to the US, either he was a richfag who got BTFO or an opportunist

kek, Cuba doesn't have people working they're ass off until they're 60 years old or narcos beheading people and bribing the police

You have it wrong, most of the people who go to the US illegally are opportunist trash who engage in cholo culture. Besides, I'm sure they should have fun picking fruit in fields

Overstatement I made, but Uruguay isn't doing bad at all

I'm sure you don't know the history of your country, before the military junta, it was doing fine. How cucked do you have to be for wanting the US to support another puppet?

>your only allowed to mimic murderers in videogames if they killed the eternal jew's enemies

Fuck off, murderers are cool to represent in videogames regardless of their ideology

Yes, his image means more, but only based on lies. The right thing to do would be to fucking EDUCATE POEPLE so they know better, instead of idolizing murderers.

also
>because he dedicated himself to spreading his ideals all over the world. His life was struggle and fight against what he percieved the evils of the world

completely false. He enjoyed most of his life with money he never earned, traveling on his motorcycle and enjoying a life of hedonism until it no longer satisfyed him. His parents were high society, despite being shit at administrating their welth. Overall he lived pretty confortably.

>Cuba doesn't have people working they're ass off until they're 60 years old or narcos beheading people and bribing the police

yeah cuba doesnt have cars or computers, doesnt have soap or thootbrushes, sure its safer than mexico since its a dictatorship, but if you think the goverment just gives them all to have a better life than you

Solid Snake > Big Boss

>South Korea is fucking horrible right now. It's fucking disgusting that most of their life is spent in a cubicle and most of their teenage years are spent studying and being beta autists

how, so much worse than life in north korea.
You just showed me the truth, user, thanks!

Guess Kojima saw the mini series film Che" when he made peace walker

Is there a single Kojima game that isn't a rip off of some movie like blade runner/escape from ny/lethal weapon ? Does the man have an original bone in his body ?

Wonder what death stranding will wind up being a complete rip off of

Sup Forums doesn't care about Metal Gear, and evidently neither does Kojima. I don't really know why Sup Forums likes Big Boss, the only time he remotely has any character in MGS is during MGS3, and his entire character is determined by his relationship with The Boss, a character with no character, and a relationship that is nonexistent.

tl;dr Retards like MGS3 and Big Boss. Even in Metal Gear 2 he was just a big bad, like his name implies. Headcanon is a neurological response to cover for shitty writing.

It was doing fine BEFORE the commie president took power. Just imagine how Brazil would be today if Lula took power in 64.

We would be a bigger Cuba today.

It was an easy parallel to draw from with respect to Big Boss being a charismatic, militaristic leader.

I don't think Kojima necessarily did it as an endorsement, but who knows. The tape conversations surrounding him are strangely enthusiastic.

Nope. Everything he makes is a rip off of western media

>South Korea
>Horrible
They have a high standard of living and are extremely well educated. I would pick South Korea over Cuba any day of the week, even with thousands of missiles pointed at Seoul

Listen buddy, Castro was a monster. A real beast in human skin. Sometimes rebels are like that, and often the best military minds make awful rulers.

If you grew up in Mexico going to school there, then you were likely fed a bit of propaganda through that as well.

Cuba is not a nice place to live.

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Yeah, Kojima is the definition of style over substance.

Just because he has a good eye to make things look good and appear to be deep (just look at his MGSV trailers), people naturally assume the story has more meaning and substance than it really has.

How about comparing SK to NK. Comparing South American shitholes that were always shitty to determined Mid-European countries (that not only always opposed Communism, but also establushed communist-lite establishments before the fall of the Union) is apples to Oranges

I'd rather go without a car than be beheaded, but alright

Did I ever say NK was better? i was just saying that SK is a stupid pathetic country

Yeah, I actually agree with you, Brazil in 64 was doing better than today, but Brazil before 64 was better

Lol, have you seen how life is like in SK? Government censorship is through the roof and so many people die alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cuba is a good place to live, but it says something if I have to hesitate between picking Cuba or SK

>Listen buddy, Castro was a monster. A real beast in human skin. Sometimes rebels are like that, and often the best military minds make awful rulers.
yeah i agree with you 100% here

>If you grew up in Mexico going to school there, then you were likely fed a bit of propaganda through that as well.
Nope, grew up in the US, but if you think Mexico has socialist propaganda, you're extremely deluded, and you're consumed by propaganda.

Exactly. At the end he literally says he will be a terrorist

That's the point.

Think about his ideals when making Outer Heaven dude

>Did I ever say NK was better? i was just saying that SK is a stupid pathetic country

You say that from Mexico?
Mexico could only dream of becoming something like South Korea. Hell, I wish Brazil was in the same rout as sour korea...and I would rather die than living the rest of my life in Cuba.

He was a fairly fleshed out character in MG2. It's the only time I ever found his character interesting.

>Cuba was better before Che and Castro

You guys forgot to add "if you were a rich foreigner"

No, that is NOT the point.

Big Boss never raped anyone, never executed kids or unnarmed, innocent civilians, never served directly under a communist dictator.

The parallel makes no sense.

If you were poor and miserable before, you were poor and miserable after. The only difference is Communism kept the benefits of time from ever reaching Cuba. They're literally third world tier.

>The only difference is Communism kept the benefits of time from ever reaching Cuba

Well that and all those sanctions done by the US

Cuba's central planning was so laughably bad that even the USSR gave them shit for it.

Even for communist standards it was a failure, if that don't tell you anything, nothing will...

But the point is not the persona of Che Guevara, it IS his image. Kojima does not have any ethical obligation to Correct the Record, but to make good games. The murderer has been idolized for many years now, just like many others were, but that is the exact reason, why Big Boss is compared to Che in PW. Seriously, it simply does not matter what kind of a person he really was, it matters how people percieve him and he is a symbol, nothing more. Romantic revolutionaries move people.

Because of Communism and the missile crisis...

Very improved, much nice!

Looking forward to kill you on the coming race war

I'm now honestly curious about what it will rip, though since he has Del Taco with him, he could make some of the usual horro movie plot for kojima if he really wanted

yeah the state department even said so

Its funny how the faggot commie will completely ignore your pic, because aparently a spic knows best of the country than its own inhabitants

>crl+f caramel
>phrase not found

And the Bay of Pigs

I can understand that a sandinista rebel would look at BB and see Che, as a positive thing, but Kojima is helping spread lies and disinformation that would propagate this misleading image.

He isn't at fault for creating the cult on Che, but he sure as hell is at fault for spreading it even further with bullshit like this.

Ignorance can never be defended, people need to be educated.

That's failing to mention the totalitarian government that would breath down everyone's neck and shoot your loved ones in the street.

>Small group of rebels overthrow corrupt government that was run by a much larger government over seas

I don't understand this is the kind of shit Americans brag about with their Founding Fathers? If they weren't Commies would they still get this much hate?

Manipulating peoples images and spreading misinformation was a well known tactic of the USSR to keep people in check.

Do you really support this practice on this day and age? Don't you think would be more productive to enlighten people on the truth instead of keeping the status quo because ''le epic freedom fighter'' looks cool on t-shirts?

>leads sandinistas tryint to stablish a comunist regime in costa rica

Why would you ever disregard potential allies?

>main antagonist is a CIA station chief

You do know BB at this point hates the US, right?

>is literally compared to Che Guevara ingame
>legendary revolutionary military dude is compared to another legendary revolutionary military dude

woah

>looks exactly like Che Guevara

Because Kojima is a hack

The USSR was medding in other countryes during the cold war, if the US had sat on his ass during that time we would be living in comunist hell today (aka regular comunism).

No he took kids and used them as soldiers. Outer heaven/ Zanzibar land is a communist nation.

>Why would you ever disregard potential allies?
the sandinistas were more trouble than they were worth.

>You do know BB at this point hates the US, right?
No, he just hated the CIA and maybe the goverment in general, not the US as a whole.

>legendary revolutionary military dude is compared to another legendary revolutionary military dude

Not a valid parallel, as I said before.

>Because Kojima is a hack

he sure is.

>The US was medding in other countryes during the cold war, if the USSR had sat on his ass during that time we would be living in capitalist hell today (aka regular capitalism).

The Russians put nukes in Cuba because there united States put nukes in turkey. It was a dirty war of politics and proxy battles

Yeah but MG autists find 'clues' everywhere. Remember the Chico = Quiet stuff?

I'll take capitalist hell over comunist hell any day of the week.

tbqh i'd rather live in Mexico than in SK.

If I lived in SK, I'd fucking kill myself, no joke.

The US had also just tried and failed to invade Cuba.

If the USSR won, we wouldn't be discussing this on an anime imageboard with our computers, we would be working at some factory for the glory of our great comrad leader.

>literacy
>was 80% before Castro came to power
All the better to read state propaganda with. Why couldn't they have just made it a republic?

ok, enjoy.

because kuwabara like quiet prision

You say that like a nigger country wouldn't be doomed regardless of what regime it adopted.

There are many, many great capitalist country's to live.
There has never been a good communist country to live.

>yeah freedom from the internet and thootbrushes lol
More like freedom from being debt slaves and the united states of Israel lol

>regime it adopted

damn you dont know shit about politics do you

Yes, people from Cuba sure are the more free people on earth because of that.

They must feel so grateful, to have such honor...

Sure, just selectively ignore the rest of my post.
Very convenient.

I went to Cuba on a mission trip. The image you're trying to convey of some sort of dystopia is not reality at all.

tell me what regimes are and how one adopts them, and what they have to do with capitalism and communism

You know that most places in Africa are in shit condition because the rulers manipulate the economy so its impossible to have a real, capitalist free market or any possibility of development, right?

If you think that represents capitalism, you are retarded.

Big Boss is a objectively wrong bad guy though