The fact that games with objectively shit gameplay get lauded as the best of all time - Bloodlines...

The fact that games with objectively shit gameplay get lauded as the best of all time - Bloodlines, Torment DeusEx - prove that ATMOSPHERE is the most important property that a game can have.

>Deus Ex
>objectively shit

lol

>Deus Ex
>shit gameplay

>Bloodlines, Torment DeusEx
>get lauded as the best of all time
Literally only on Sup Forums.

>going to the theaters by yourself
based dsp has no fears

>IM GOING OUT TO DO SOMETHING

i swear to god, if someone will call subjectivity "objectivity", i'll fucking kill myself

But Bloodlines had great gameplay, what are you talking about? Also have a (you) because your last thread didn't get a single response.

Gameplay can be defined as interaction and therefore objectively judged. Like it can be objectively ascertained that gunplay in Deus Ex is bad, that turn based combat in Torment is awful, that stealth sections in VtMB are only better than its melee combat.

You do realize that Bloodlines was completely un-finishable when it came out and that people still prefer, after nearly 20 years of modding, to noclip the final sections? You're OBJECTIVELY wrong, like, I can tell you, for a fact, you know nothing about Bloodlines.

>theaters

Those are eggs not seats

Let us hear three of your best games of all time.

>You do realize that Bloodlines was completely un-finishable when it came out and that people still prefer, after nearly 20 years of modding, to noclip the final sections? You're OBJECTIVELY wrong, like, I can tell you, for a fact, you know nothing about Bloodlines.

Bloodlines was perfectly playable AND beatable 20 years ago. Not our fault you couldn't git gud.

>He thinks the combat was the gameplay of Bloodlines and Torment.
You're not one of those players that skips all the dialogue and cutscenes to get to the shooting, are you OP?

I guess turning pages is haptic feedback = gameplay of reading books, right? It's more work than clicking on dialogue prompts.

It wasn't. It was a game that was impossible to finish unless you went full combat build or used noclip. And even that provided you didn't encounter one of hundreds of game breaking bugs.

Reminder that DSP is an alpha

What do my best games of all time have to do with this? I only stated that those games are hailed as best only by Sup Forums and no one cares about them that much outside of this place.

Don't reply to me

worst castlevnia.

so he's unfinished? sounds about right.

Roasted

>It wasn't. It was a game that was impossible to finish unless you went full combat build or used noclip. And even that provided you didn't encounter one of hundreds of game breaking bugs.
Nigga you can't even use noclip on a genesis smdh

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Beat me to it

Stop

>Didn't find the dialogue and roleplaying enjoyable in roleplaying games.
>This means gameplay is less important then atmosphere in all games ever.
Christ, it's like going and buying the latest madden when you have no interest whatsoever in sports, and then deciding the atmosphere of the superbowl is more important then the game.

Atmosphere/setting>writing/character>sound/music/ambiance>gameplay in story driven and character focused games, yes. But if the game is all about gameplay and doesn't come with much of a story or characters it's gameplay>sound/music/ambiance>atmosphere/setting>writing/characters. For example for RPGs and other story focused games it's the former and for bullet hell games or diablo-style hack'n'slash(the least story/characters focused genre i give a flying fuck about) the latter.

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Metroid Prime too

piss easy game even on hard, but applauded as GOAT by many

>A good strategy game may well be a series of interesting decisions – but a good game is something that meets the play needs of its audience.

t. Sid Meier, years ago

These decisions must have consequences of some sort, because that's what makes games feel good. Doom's a big hit because of the immediate satisfying feedback of your combat decisions. HL2 is a linear shooter that's expertly crafted to make you feel like you're making smart decisions (the puzzles and physics bits especially), while other linear shooters are spectacular but don't engage you as much with their simple telegraphed mechanics. Crysis, Stalker, Far Cry 2, Skyrim, the Bioware-style RPGs also allow you to make decisions and provide good feedback for them.

Some games, like most walking simulators, don't let you decide anything and don't provide any feedback. You can slap their narration on a tape and walk around your house and you'd have more agency, better feedback and an overall better experience than playing the game as intended.