Is there a fighting game more balanced than Melee?

Is there a fighting game more balanced than Melee?

All fighting games are most balanced than melee...

Brawl
4

Project M

dumb fox main

coming from someone who uses the actual best character in the game and still can't win

The only people who think Melee has good balance are those who don't want to hear people say anything about the laughable balance of characters like Fox and many other top tiers whilst covering their ears with their hands like a toddler.

Name a fighting game. Any. It's more balanced than Melee.

>tfw Bowser main
it's not fair bros....

He's still won more majors than you

Hard to say since Fighting games and Melee are different genres, that's like comparing Forza to Starcraft

not a fighting game

so basically all meleefags?

prove it

>fox
>puff
>marth
>sheik
>peach
5 viable characters, 5 gods

hmm

Dr Mario & Luigi should be in Hard

Otherwise it's pretty solid, based Leffen

gods?

This is why I don't believe Melee HD will go over well. People will complain if Fox even gets the slightest change or if any bad characters become viable.

There literally is no other game where more than half the cast can win a major if you're good enough.

>mewtwo
lmoa

Wait, then what's the point of S and D-F if he's just gonna ignore them?

I dare anyone to find a fighting game less balanced than melee.

"these characters can supposedly win a major because I say so, it's just a coincidence it has never happened in a major with actual competition, I'm not picking the absolute best character, honest :^)"

fags who parrot this guy's lies are ridiculously sad

>go to locals
>some kid named Gohan shows up
>plays my bro in Melee, gets his ass kicked
>plays my bro in PM, gets destroyed
>offers a money match to anyone in the venue, my brother says hell play him in Smash 4 and we dont even own Smash 4
>my brother beats him
>Gohan goes home

Alternatively

>go to PAX east 2017 with brother
>go to smash room, its only smash 4
>play against that kid Zero but he wasnt wearing a scarf
>lose against him by only 1 stock
>brother beats him
>we dont own Smash 4

So uh should we enter tournaments??

Melee is such a stale game that there are only 5 players who can win major tournaments anymore, simply because they've been playing so much longer than anyone else. Meleeniggers rationalize this by making some cringey storyline about how they're "the Gods of Melee" who've tapped into some arcane otherworldly power when in reality they're just 5 autists who can never be topped because the game is 100% solved and they've been training their muscle memory the longest.

>Fighting Game
>Melee
Pick One

>1/3 of the roster is unusable

Ok

>Things that didn't happen
Ebin

that's better than pretty much every other game

>b-but same 4 people keep winning
Oh how wrong you guys are.

Was that Melee online project released yet?

>6
woah...

This is hilarious because at Dreamhack literally less then a week ago a non god won. Plup beat hbox and took first place.

Do your research before your shitposting sweetheart (:

>not every character has the same chance of winning
>"""balanced"""

The fifth slot has always oscillated between PPMD, Plup, Dr. PP, etc

Netplay? It's playable on the Dolphin emulator.

For all the contention around it, Street Fighter V is pretty balanced as of Season 2. Top 8 at Evo was all different characters, and the constant Necalli/Nash/Karin/Mika top 8s of last year have bitten the dust. Balrog needs a bit of a nerf but he's yet to win any premier events so that's unlikely to happen any time soon, and Vega needs to be brought up because he's lost at the moment.

PPMD and Dr. PP are the same person, he later changed his tag from Dr. PP to PPMD.

As I said, do your research before you think you can contribute to the discussion.

PPMD and Dr. PP are the same person you know.

There was some melee online project that allowed people to make tournaments and shit. It had pretty neat menus and shit.

Has dr. Mario actually ever won anything?

No one is skilled enough to use him at high level yet. But he can.

Not anything major no. Honestly he's a little overrated at this point, especailly since his only good rep dropped him two hours ago.

*years, don't know how I messed that up

Doctor Penispenis was a young North Carolina player who mained Falco starting back around 2011 with a thick Southern drawl accent and an Amishman's beard. His high testosterone masculinity even landed him a porn star gf for a time

He's often confused with a similar player, PPMD, who speaks with no accent and plays Falco/Marth, whose low testosterone femininity has destroyed his competitive viability and left him a hollow husk of a man.

Project M 3.6 is unironically the most balanced video game I've ever played.
>basically every character exists in between Fox and Jigglypuff on the tier list, almost completely unchanged from their Melee variations

Nothing major ever I don't think. Just Shroomed winning locals.

Doc can actually hard counter spacies but gets fucked up the ass by Peach and Jiggs and Icies too.

>7 tiers
>entire cast can only fir into 3
why?

This post is ironic, right? Because this only proves them right. The same few players win every time. A non-God (read: ancient player who has also been playing as long as the Gods, just not as autistically) will sneak in a win once in a while, but things immediately return to normal. The game is fucking solved and competetively dead.

Because it's balanced? The only reason you use more tiers is to show how unbalanced the game is.

What do people lack? Does he have a high execution barrier?

I can see him dying to peach and jiggs but how does he counter spacies?

>Melee
>Balanced
kek

Tekken 7 is like that.
>Can win tournaments if the player is skilled enough
Most of the cast
>Same but harder
Bears
>No
Gigas

I wonder what would happen if they banned the top 5 characters. Seems like the game would get interesting again

Just use more guessies user. :p

>I can see him dying to peach and jiggs but how does he counter spacies?
Doc's up-throw chaingrab literally leads to f-air kill percentages or even if ended early for safety or ix-up puts them offstage to the point where their recover options are limited to sheet-reactable distances.

Considering Fox, Falco, and Marth are three of the most entertaining characters it'd probably fuck viewership to shit and Icies and Puff/Peach would rules.

Well for one thing his recovery is one of the worst in the game. Like it's laughably awful. His movies also lack a lot of range which means he gets destroyed by Marth and Jiggs super easily.

A skilled Dr. Mario can beat any Fox.

Ill believe the first part since kids are edgy and shit enough to do that.
But
>Beat top tournament player
>Don't own game.

I stopped believing in that bullshit magic years ago. It just doesn't happen. If you don't play a game you aren't beating top players in it since they will know tricks to easily fuck with you and pick up on inexperience fast.
Also
>So uh
Kill yourself.

>Samus is A tier
Really? Ive always mained her but though she would be like C-D

This is Leffen we're talking about. The guy who has several notorious losses to Samus.

The list was made by Leffen. What do you think?

Dont really follow the FGC much, but its nice to know my life-long SSB main isnt irrelevant.

Is there a worse community than Smash?

I can't believe babies first fighting game spawned this much autism because of some bugs that make it "the most comptetetive and complex fighting game of all time" compared to idiots who've been wasting the last 15 yeras of their life with this garbage.

What the fuck were those recoveries

Ban Ics too. And I dunno, I prefer watching peach, jiggs, dorf and Cpt falcon to watching spacies.

That said, jiggs is top 5 right? She'd be banned too

This was before the days of arduino.

>Is there a worse community than Smash?

What communities are you a part of?

t. SF4 artisan

Why doesn't he just practice the Samus MU?

Smash

wtf i hate smash now

That's not true. Shroomed played him at a top level for years.

Where is his EVO win?

yeah and then he dropped him for sheik and never looked back

>Smash dropped from japanEVO in favor of Arms
>Smash confirmed only relevant to the same handful of over-30 americans for years on end.

me2

He did, and stopped losing to Samus. Now he's pretty ass though and can't make top 8.

Thats literally all fighting games.
MVC is even worse than smash.

>Smash Wii U still in
>forgetting competitive Melee essentially doesn't exist in Japan

only if he puts marth, fox, falco,and peach ''S - can win tournaments easily if the player is skilled enough'' tier would it be correct

smash isn't a fighting game you retarded autist

What about pichu?

isn't leffen also an enormous cunt

Everything that doesn't ban shit to make it fair like JoJo Pet Shop, ST Akuma or VS Jedah glitch.

Virtually everything else has better balance and that's far from a glowing review consider shit like 3S makoto and Chun-li

>Brawl
Pfffffffffffffffffffft. Metaknight says hello

>Brawl is more balanced than Melee

here's your reply

he is right in his statements, he however hasn't specified what kind of tournaments

small locals? regionals? nationals? "super"-nationals like EVO?

everything above a regional event is extremely difficult to be won by everything below marth (except fox, the only argument here would be that fox is the most well known and optimized matchup, but then again he makes up for those weaknesses, especially in NTSC), also Leffen has always had a tendency to overrate Yoshi

but him putting Falco and Jiggs at the 1st and 2nd place is a OK, fuck those braindead ass characters

A massive one, so much so that he got banned from going to European tournaments for a year

>just hit random on the character select
>still have fun everytime

Why can't all Smash games be like this.

The shit they didn't change from Melee is still the worst part though.

no I mean why would't their just be 3 tiers then? there's no use in having empty tiers

>Mewtwo can win if you're good
And yet every top 8 at any tourney consists of 7 fox/falco players. Even the guy who posted it is a fox player.

What a joke of a game.

People just need to train harder.

>The only People good at fighting games don't care about smash

>balanced
>almost 33% of the roster is apparently unusable

A balanced game has a full roster of viable characters.

meleefags actually believe this

Yes, Sm4sh.

Think of competitive Sm4sh and Melee as two pools. On the right you have Melee, an Olympic swimming pool where there is a deeper end for diving and then a shallower end as well, you jump in and sink or swim and must learn at a stiff curve to just stay afloat, let alone compete. On the left you have Sm4sh, a kiddie pool. The kiddie pool is more balanced, it has the same distribution of water across all areas, and because of this there is no deep end.

A game as shallow gameplay-wise as Sm4sh is bound to be more balanced since there are so few variables and things to tweak by comparison in such a low skill ceiling and floor game. Because the difference between all characters is so superficial since it's limited by the gameplay, they become more balanced.

>A balanced game has a full roster of viable characters
Is there any game that actually does this?

The game's been out for 16 years, that's not gonna happen.

more like on the left you have a 3ft deep inflatable pool and on the right you have a hard plastic kiddie pool

>autists play same game for 16 years
>play the same characters with the same strategies
>think it's a viable competetive fighting game