Destiny 2 is just dlc

Does any other game have a more cancerous fanbase than destiny? I understand people have different taste in games and I'm fine with that but what irritates me is that they just can't admit that the game has flaws. Try telling them that the game has a weak story and they will defending it by saying you just can't understand it and how it has a deeper story than every other game out there. Tell them that the gameplay is boring and the world is empty they will defend it by saying that the gameplay is perfect and every planet has over 100+ hours of content. Tell them that destiny 2 is just another expansion being marketed as full priced sequel (Which it really is. In fact I think it's actually worse than the original destiny.) and they will defend it by saying "It's a sequel. Of course it's going to be exactly like the first one. What did you guys expect a whole new game?" That was an actual comment from someone trying to defend the game I found on the destiny 2 trailer.

youtu.be/fcTsKWGs-CY

This YouTube video shows exactly what I'm trying to get at here. Watch it and then read the comments. Basically the entire destiny fanbase comes along trying to defend their game but just ends up proving him right about everything he said about them.

As someone who was VERY critical of Destiny 1 (I thought it was shit). Is it a bad thing that Destiny 2 is basically just DLC? My main issue with Destiny 1 was lack of content. If Destiny 2 has a good bit of content, then that's all I want. I don't think the core gameplay of Destiny needed that much changing, although I'm happy with minor changes like nerfed cooldowns and the rebalancing of primary/special/heavy weapon slots. I feel as though I'm the only one who was actually really happy with the Destiny 2 beta, which is weird because I didn't like Destiny 1 at all.

You are just entitled. Bungee doesn't owe you anything! Why don't you try making a game if you know so much.

Destiny's problem is we're thinking of it as an MMO and it sort of is, but truly its not. If you think of it as an actual sequel it makes sense but it just feels too much like we shuld be getting the old content plus the new content not this shitty offering.

I am thinking of canceling my preorder and waiting for the "taken king" version of destiny 2 where it feels like there's a lot more to do overall instead of getting burnt out too early.

Give it to me straight, Sup Forums, will Destiny 2 be a dead land on PC? People always most multiplayer games are dead on PC unlike consoles.

I know for a fact that this is true for fighting games but what about games like this or Battlefield?

But what you said is true yet I'm still going to get the game.

I didn't like Destiny too much but the beta for Destiny 2 felt a lot more solid. I don't get why ya'll are saying it's "just dlc." Destiny 1 didn't have cinematic story missions, 2 will. The environments in that opening mission alone were a lot more detailed and polished than anything in the first game. The gunplay is a lot smoother, and it looks like there will be more variety with the guns as opposed to having to use the same four guns until endgame.

That said, I will wait to get it cause Activision will milk it for all the DLC it can, but it seems like a straight improvement.

what other good looter shooters are there really? dont say warframe, it's f2p p2w garbage. also despite all the problems with destiny 1, the raids were legit the best content I've played in a online game

Pretty much just Borderlands.

Borderlands
Remember to turn your dialogue volume off.

I love Destiny and I admit it's a very flawed game. I'll probably get Destiny 2 regardless but I'm going for the PC version so I'll be able to see if its worth it based on the console version.

>console gamers complaining that it's too floaty and slow
DOA, never stood a chance.

I'm actually really looking forward to Destiny2. It looks like it has a proper story this time and they made the guns feel alot cleaner, especially the pulse rifle. It does feel a tad slower and more Halo3-ish but Bungies' already said the beta build is about 5months old now. I'm optimistic, I've played the first game to completion but I wont deny the shit story and poor launch content.

>youtube comments are filled with idiots
Lurk more underage newfag

"ok"

I never bothered with any of the DLC for the first game and that's not going to change for the sequel (assuming I buy it).

>it's f2p p2w garbage.
>P2W
>Warframe

que

if that were true Destiny 1 should have flopped in the first few months...but they kept buying each dlc every year. It won't flop, can't stop the destinydrones it'll still be large like the 2 million blizzdrones left in WoW

Stop shilling your videos, BDobbins.

I see some people on this thread are defending destiny and that's fine. Some of you are actually making good points. And who knows maybe destiny 2 will be good I just wasn't a fan of the beta. However, and I am just giving some advice here, do not buy destiny 2 on release day. Wait at least a week for reviews to come out. That's how we all got played last time. We bought it on launch and it ended up being full of bugs and a little bit overhyped. Hell you might even want to wait a year for the complete edition to release. That just some advice but spend your money how you want I guess.

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Didn't know that guy was still making stuff and am watching his newest stuff now. Thanks bro

post yfw destiny 2 is dead on arrival

It looks like it's replacing cod(which is dying)

>DBobbinsFTW
I see the /vg/ spammer has moved onto Sup Forums to try his luck.

It's the same game! Even though a lot of Destiny fans can't agree on whether it's good or not?

>avid players hate all of the changes
>normies hate that there are no changes
bungie fucked up

>calls out reddit
he's right you know

>4 planets at launch with the beta being 25% of the game
>Loot Cave existed for some time
>Literally over a dozen concurrent currencies at one point with Ascendant Energy, Shards, Glimmer, Motes, two types of Marks, various Coins, various Cores, and various Materials
>Legendary/rare engrams used to grant Uncommon gear
>Faction packages used to often decrypt into 2 Motes of Light
>Exotic Weapons, with 3 damage upgrade slots, had upgrade grinds of infinity and beyond
>Consistent infinite range one body shot kill weapons in the Final Round Efrideet's Spear existed at one point
>Random infinite range one body shot kill weapons in the Luck in the Chamber Eirene SR4
>Instant death Vex Mythoclast existed for 2% of the game's lifespan
>Fusion Rifles were repeatedly nerfed for the remaining 98% of the game's lifespan
>Still did not stop Pocket Infinity from being an instakill machine for nearly a year
>Three/sometimes two shot anywhere Thorn dominating the meta for months
>Potential two shot hand cannon in Last Word dominating the meta for months
>Potential one shot kill hand cannon in Hawkmoon existed at one point
>Two to three burst Pulses like Hopscotch and Hawksaw dominating the meta for months
>Doctrine of Passing dominating the meta for months
>Felwinter's Lie, Party Crasher +1, Matador 64 dominating the meta for 80% of the game's lifespan
>Conspiracy Theory D dominating the meta for another 10% of the game's lifespan after the above shotguns were nerfed
>special weapon ammo nerfs ended up buffing Ice Breaker to dominate the meta for the last 10% of the game's lifespan
>Bladedancers were unkillable for some time
>Voidwalker Nova Bomb was almost literally a mobile version of the Titan's FoH
>Titans got a subclass with 7 Nova Bombs in the Sunbreaker for some time
>This expanded to 21 Nova Bombs for a week or two
>Sunsinger Warlocks were able to use the Ram to stop Golden Gun shots for some time

It's a very similar game, which is to be expected for a sequel.

Except that reddit was critiquing the game so much they had to quarantine it into a single megathread.

>Titan bubbles can potentially generate more orbs than their cost and fireteams were able to completely cover maps in Titan bubbles
>Stormcallers had sniper rifles built into their hands for some time
>Sticky grenades able to home from a meter away
>Primary school tier story in the vanilla game for around 8 hours featuring lines like "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain"
>Low tier Marvel movie story for 5 hours in Taken King featuring 50 quips a second, zero suspense, and a dumbed down villain
>back to primary school writing for 3 hours in Rise of Iron with moments like Saladin having some giant earth shattering epiphany about how the Fallen haven't learned to master SIVA
>Good lore with plenty of thematic and literal connections to previous Bungie games hidden behind online cards
>Raid final boss Atheon could be pushed off the map with a few grenades
>Dark Below was $15 for like three worthless story missions, the worst strike in the game, and the worst raid in the game
>House of Wolves was $15 for like three worthless story missions and a wave defense mode
>took over 2 years for barebones private matches with less options than Halo CE's customs to become a thing
>Unbelievable "throw money at the screen" fiasco
>release of a new expansion essentially made previous versions of the game worth $5 (or, in NuBungie terms, $24.99)
>I didn't even mention the more subjective/BTS things like Salvatori's solo music paling in comparison to Marty collabs or how previous Bungie employees like Staten, Marty, Griesemer, DeLeon, etc. were treated like trash

>this is the same company that created the Marathon series, one of the greatest stories told in video game history
>this is the same company that created Halo CE, the game that revolutionized shooters and has one of the strongest (if repetitive) campaigns in FPS history
>this is the same company behind Halo 2, which basically started matchmaking and console multiplayer
>this is the same company behind Halo 3, which broke games into the mainstream and released at launch with Forge and Theater Mode
>this is the same company behind Halo Reach, a game whose customs and Forge mode created more multiplayer options in the first two weeks of the game's lifespan than Destiny had for 3 years
Listen, I idolized Bungie pretty hard. I defended the controversial aspects of every Halo game (even though I felt that they declined in quality from the start- opinions may vary).
After playing through three years of Destiny, I can safely say that the old Bungie is dead. When even Halo 5, 343's Frankenstein version of Halo, outgrew Destiny in terms of multiplayer content I knew it was over and playing the Destiny 2 beta only reaffirmed my disappointment. Seeing people praise the bare minimum story mission included in the beta made me really wonder if these people had played through The Pillar of Autumn, Cairo Station, Sierra 117, Mombasa Streets, or even Winter Contingency.
But that's exactly it- I realized most actually didn't play through them. The gap in time between Halo Reach and Destiny 2 is legitimately larger than the gap between Halo 2 and Halo Reach. Most will just look at the intro mission and say "that's so cool! Cinematics! There are NPCs with dialogue in scripted sequences! There's a hint of a set piece! Cayde is so cool!"
To the NuBungie fanboys who I'm sure will read this post, play the Halo games and ask yourself if you really think anything in Destiny 2 looks to come to that level. If your answer is "yes," reevaluate your entire life.

And no, I am not this goddamn "BDobbinsFTW" guy who keeps being spammed around here, I shut off the only video I watched from him as soon as he opened with "what is up people, I'm Batman"

Ok ok, but like, think of it this way.

Why is Destiny 2 getting shit for being Destiny 1.2 but Splatoon 2 isn't getting shit on for being Splatoon 1.2?

>Destiny 2 is just DLC

Fuck, I wish it was just DLC. They changed a shit ton actually. For the worse, mostly.

I'll like it once they revert or tweak some of the changes made on ammo and super/nade regeneration

Other than that I'm happy with what we'll get. No more 1-shot nades/abilities, a bit slower, in game grimoire, more clan sherpa and other stuff, and a nice raid

Good lord

We haven't seen enough of the story to get a good sense of how it'll be. All we know is that it'll be better than anything in Destiny 1, which admittedly is an incredibly low bar to clear.

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its the same fucking game but feels shittier to play and has significantly less content

They tried to please everybody and they're pleasing nobody. I put 1800 hours into D1 and I'm kind of pissed that they made the sequel for people who didn't like Destiny rather than the people that kept it alive.

People played their game for three fucking years and rather than improve on the foundation they built, they basically hit the reset button on most of the mechanics. Instead, they gave into the forum bitching crowd and the "people still play Destiny LUL" crowd. Some things needed to be changed for sure, specifically how easy it was to get cheesy kills with abilities at OHKO weapons, but they didn't need to make the game into a shitty Halo clone to fix those problems.

The destiny fanbase is utterly insane and filled with sociopaths who take game criticism personally. One youtube video I commented that while I enjoyed the beta for the most part, I wish Bungie would rethink the slow recharge rates of grenades and supers and I got 2 death threats and at least 5 people calling me toxic as responses.

Fuck yeah user

>Crota is worst Raid in the game.
I resent that statement. The opening phase is pure fucking atmosphere.

>why can't they just keep making games for people with shit taste

No, they made the sequel for people who played their game. Specifically, the mlg tryhards who wanted to play Battle Rifle only Halo.

>Commenting on youtube
You have no one but yourself to blame.

Shooter RPGs were a mistake.

>will Destiny 2 be a dead land on PC?
Of course it will be. If it's not Quake or something like Battlefield it'll be a nightmare to find people randomly without making your own group and seeking out people. PC communities for games the vast majority don't play don't really exist, you can still find games in Assassin's Creed multiplayer for example to this day on 360 but try it on PC and no one plays it at all.

It's funny how much this all applies to Splatoon too. Saw some posts defending Splatoon saying no one plays it for the story anyway, but apparently that doesn't apply to Destiny. It's the exact same situation, but it's pretty much because it's ok to hate Destiny but not Splatoon.

Console babbies just can't get behind the idea of MMO expansions I guess. D2 looks like what Cataclysm was to WoW in terms of being intended along the lines of a restructuring of the world and some systems. In the end it may just be people being anal about the titling of "Destiny TWO".

D2 PC has 60FPS. That alone will pull a few players. Besides, if Titanfall 2 PC can pull through with a pint-sized dedicated playerbase of 2-3k ish, D2'll be fine.

Destiny is a garbage competitive game because Destiny is primarily about gear. There is going to be an imbalance between players all the time. It doesn't matter how hard nuBungie tweaks the game, even Halo 4 competitive shits on it

Honestly, fuck those people. They're always bitching about something anyway and I have no doubt they'll turn on D2 a few months after release for one reason or another. They have literally dozens of other games to choose from. For better or worse, Destiny didn't play like other shooters. Might as well build on the things that made it stand out.

>and has significantly less content
Destiny 2 will absolutely have more combat and an actual story.

It will be all shit though, Destiny 1 at launch was a 20 gallon barrel of sebum Destiny 2 will be a 100 gallon barrel of sebum.

I disagree.
Gear level systems and PvP in RPG shooters were the mistakes.

i'm gonna play it whether or not it's shit cause there's nothing else to play

I don't understand how the "but Splatoon" argument absolves Destiny?

Nobody will be playing Destiny 2. Stuff like Splatoon and PUBG are the new standard of shooting games.

Just because it's the worst one doesn't mean it has no good qualities. I'd say that ambient atmosphere is one of the few things Destiny often gets right.
That doesn't excuse the fact that Crota's End is ridiculously short and the Deathsinger is straight up boring.

PvP in Destiny is fine, but treating it like the next e-sport is fucking retarded.

They're actually fixing most of the gear imbalances by moving to static stats on gear, which makes it easier to balance things.

The problem is that Bungie is designing all their mechanics around PvP, and its fucking up PvE. Just like how PvP has fucked up PvE in Destiny 1 for three years.

Hopefully Bungie listens to the beta feedback and backs off from some of the changes they made. But we'll see.

>Nearly every positive mainstream video has people shitting on Destiny.
>Nearly every negative mainstream video has people defending Destiny.

It doesn't, and I'm not saying it does. I even enjoy Splatoon 2 more than Destiny 2 beta, but I'm just pointing out how Sup Forums casually dismisses the arguments against Splatoon 2 while taking off the kid gloves to critique Destiny 2

It's been 2 years since they've given the best possible gear in the easiest way possible, thanks to crybabies like you

most likely because of the 48 days delay
everyone will see everything (story, gear, strikes, maps, missions, etc) and what the endgame has to offer in that time
people will steer clear if it's again shallow like D1

PvP is also already soo slow on console that it'd be a major turn off for PC

Crota solo was a lot of fun for me. It was mildly retarded that you could even solo an endgame raid, but it felt like it asked a lot out of you when it was current light level and not having to rely on retards from LFG was awesome.

Shame you can't do it in the new Crota if you aren't a filthy warlock.

It doesn't. I don't even disagree with the stuff OP said, but the situations are remarkably similar, yet Destiny has copped shit since E3 while Splatoon gets a free pass..

One is a game that people liked and wanted more of, one is a game that people hated and wanted a total redo of but just got more of the same.

>Unbelievable "throw money at the screen" fiasco
Holy fuck I remember that shit. Bungie actually let this guy be the director for Destiny 2? What the fuck were they thinking?

Being more of the thing that people liked isn't actually a bad thing. It's a frequently expected, and enjoyed, occurrence among video games. Complaining about Destiny 2 being too similar to Destiny 1 is like complaining that Sonic 2 is too much like Sonic 1. People are just singling out Destiny 2 out because shitting on Destiny is popular since the launch was such a disaster.

>static stats
>in a looter shooter

Literally what the fuck

I'm against competitive Destiny you dingus. Trials and Banner only highlighted why the game should never have been competitive in the first place.

>Hey guys check out this guys video whos totally not me I promise

Fuck off faggot. Either stop shilling your shit channel or get your own opinion.

what went wrong bros? Why does it feel like shit?

I play Destiny, Ill be getting D2. I honestly feel like Destiny 2 will be an improvement, but I also agree with most of what you said.

I play it for the raids, and for pvp. The raids I feel are (mostly) well designed and I cant think of another game that offers that sort of pve in a fps context. The pvp is ok, good enough for me to enjoy it for at least a bit. I wont tell you its balanced or fair or competitive or anything and the matchmaking makes it even worse.

Idk I wont defend Destiny, all of the complaints about it are legitimate, I am just willing to overlook them because of the parts I do like. If my friends ask about Destiny I dont recommend it that highly, I tell them I enjoy it but the game has major flaws.

You are right though, telling a Destiny player the game is bad is about as productive as telling a trap lover they are gay.

>one is a game that people hated
>Sup Forums now represents the entirety of how a game is perceived.

>Hey guys its ya boy dicksucker99
>I need more mature games for mature gamers such as myself, and other mature people who have also graduated highschool.

We'll yeah, but the expectations of both sequels was around the same I wager. I know I saw a bunch of things like better campaign with co-op for Splatoon 2 or bigger maps with vehicles for Destiny 2.

And then both games got revealed as more of the same for better or worse, with less content than the first at the end of its life.

As long as they hand-craft enough stuff, it's fine. Procedural generation continues to be shit, and it won't be worthwhile until we have literal AIs to do it for us.

>Trials

Maybe. It certainly plays as cancerous as possible.

>Iron Banner

Iron Banner is EZ farm time if you have a halfway decent shot. The first few Iron Banners bring all the shitters out of hiding from PVE. If you are even slightly above average, playing during random times in the month is way harder.

D2 is reserved for Diablo 2 get your own acronym faggot

I never played Splatoon though.

Nintendo autism will always be the most powerful form of autism.

Or on the flip side how about it's wrong for games to create lazy sequels in general?

But in the age of Twitch streaming that's inevitable.
There will always be at least one streamer that latches onto any PvP mode, and no matter how cancerous his opinions are they will be catered to because executives are creaming their pants over the idea of attracting their massive audience of children and retards.

D2 is fucking Mighty Ducks 2 get your own acronym faggot

All gun ranges nerfed for the tiny 4v4 PvP maps, which also worsens accuracy so guns are less reliable. Lowered aim assist across the board, which makes it harder to hit crit spots. Lowered gun damage across the board. Lowered super and grenade damage, and made abilities take longer to recharge.

I mean we were specifically talking in the context of Sup Forums.

For that point, a lot of reviewers have criticized Splatoon 2 for being too similar to the last game so the premise is flawed. I wouldn't be surprised if both games get similar scores (unless Bungie fucks up really hard with the amount of content again).

And yet you had no problem deducing what game I was referring to.

Destiny 2 will crush on pc solely because of the twitch community, everyone fails to remember that the twitch community was largely responsible for the success of the first title. Bungie knows this, why do you think they invited all of the high profile streamers to come play the game at the reveal event?

I loved playing VoG with my friends
>Crota
had fun solo'ing every week
>HoW
Trials was ok first 2 weeks
>Oryx
shit
>Aksys
short and shit

Played the Beta, feels the same but slower.

Probably going to still play it for a bit, since I am not personally buying it. Give the raid a chance.

>mixing your vidya and movie acronyms

I bet you think AC is only Alien Covenant and not even realize it's also Armored Core

>that first point
>Alien Covenant
Yeah stopped watching there

those are watchers, not players

I think D2 will sell well but D3 will either crash or never get made since D2 will be utter casual microtransaction filled shit. We have another potential Dead Space on our hands only happening much faster this time. I have no doubt in my mind microtransactions will rape the fuck out of us for things not necessary but to save time grinding (hey look nightfall keys are a thing now I wonder why) and if you criticize this the great Destiny community will call you entitled and poor.

This.

Even with its flaws, it's still incredibly fun.

You literally said the full game title 5 words later retard

Do you think no one goes out and buys a game because their favorite streamers play it? do you think that people dont look to their favorite streamers opinions of games before buying them? Its free fucking marketing and bungie knows it

Honestly just make it a DLC then. Sequels should set itself apart from the original game whether by story or being overhauled. You don't see WoW 2, WoW 3, it's the same game with expansions.

It depends what you mean by a lazy sequel, however. They've rebuilt the engine, they've remade 3 of the subclasses, they're modified the abilities of the subclasses they didn't remake, they've changed the weapon system, created new weapon types, added an entire new class of ability, redesigned armor system, made substantial changes to the game economy, all new locations, new enemy types, better clan integration.

I don't know what people are expecting from a sequel. Tetris?

I always felt the story took a backseat to the lore. I had way more fun learning about the background than seeing my character march from planet to planet. But Bungie is addressing this, with a ton more cutscenes. I'm skeptical, but it's a step in the right direction.

Agreed the Books of Sorrow were fantastic, but Bungie has done this before with Halo. The never integrated anything from the books into the games. The only thing we got was Dr. Halsey making an appearance in Reach.

This is where they failed, if they just released D1 on PC alongside consoles, sold the base game for a subscription fee, released all that Dlc as updates, and then came along with Destiny: Cataclysm (D2) they would be doing just fucking fine, and the game wouldnt have suffered for it