Sonic finally gets a good game

>Sonic finally gets a good game
Is Mania the first great sonic game since rush?

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The DS unironically made Sonic great again. Then Sega told them to make more Iizuka trash.

>sonic rush
>great
look mate, I owned the game and beat it probably 4 times already(including the hidden ending) and it's not that good. it's a decent time but certainly not great

This man is wrong, it's fucking great

Sonic was never good

*3D Sonic was never good

I mean, I guess different strokes for different folks but I thought it was a 7/10 at best. Hope mania is as good as people are saying though. or at least better than rush

It introduced blaze, making it an instant 9/10

The soundtrack pushes it to 10/10

But Rush Adventure was better. And Generations was great.

Sonic Mania is a really expensive S3&K romhack and how much you like it will depend of how rad that sounds to you

oh so you're shitposting.
yeah but I never did play the older sonics. only played about 4 sonic games(one of them being rush) and I still have yet to play a sonic game I think is great. hope mania changes that

No

Just play the old games.

I was hoping to play mania so I wouldn't have to play the older unpolished games

It's the first great game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

I mean, we can say that Sonic Advance was alright, or that we have nostalgia for Sonic Adventure, or that Generations and Colors are decent, but Sonic Mania is actualy the first truely great Sonic game since 1994. It and the Genesis games are the only Sonic games that could go head to head with Nintendo's platformers.

The MC scores reflect this. Colors and Generations both have high 70s while Mania has a high 80.

Sonic Mania Advance when?

TOO BLACK
TOO STRONG

Rush was an ok game, but it pales in comparison to genesis titles.

I did like that song though

>My face when Hideki Naganuma's use of samples.
>My face when I found out Wrapped in Black sampled a Malcolm X speech.
The man is a genius.

Metacritic has an 89 for Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast. Does that mean Adventure 2 is a better game?

>Sonic riders ZG
>first one isn't listed
Die.

I didn't play the first one. I went straight to Zero Gravity assuming it was a just an upgraded version.

>Advance 3
>Pit and crusher simulator '04

Git Gud

You're really an idiot

interesting. tell me more

>Rush is great
No shit you unholy cow of boost fag. Stop baiting people into playing this trash and making even more victims and trolls that will say sonic was never good.

Yes

Its a great game but the presence and focus on Boost changes the rhythm of play a lot, since gaining speed is less of a concern and gaining Boost by tricking and fighting is a concern

Are you really saying that 2D sonic are not filled by unpredictable pits ? So I might give them a try, because my only 2D sonic experience was advance 3 and it was very frustrating

Why are you so mad, faggot? Rush is a fine 7/10 game.

meant for

The voice clips are samples from one of Malcom X's speeches.

Advance 2 was a lot better. Advance 3 had way too much stopping points, weird obstacles, slow-moving platforms that you had to ride, ect.

Malcolm X
November 10, 1963
>It’s just like when you’ve got some coffee that’s too black, which means it’s too strong.

That was to balance the game for every team

I thought Sonic Rush was pretty OK and a step up from Sonic Advance, but still not as good at it could have been.

Sonic Rush Adventure was pretty garbage though. Surprised people like it so much.

could you explain what makes it great? just curious as I thought it was average at best

I would say 3&K is a perfectly polished game by modern standards and holds up even better than Mario's classic 2D stuff. 1 and 2 not as much.

I'll probably play that then if I enjoy mania

It was my first sonic game after leaving the series for really long time after 3&K. I was exciting all over for this because fags were praising it greatly and I was expecting something like 3&K.
And as I actually playing it, it raped my mind in everyway with boost, tricks, horribly linear level design, awful enemy placement, abused pitfalls and only playable character other than Sonic being Sonic re-skin with minor stat change.
I just don't understand the appeal, maybe because I didn't devote enough time into it, but I couldn't bother to play it again after barely beating the story.

I dont get people saying "it was fun but nothing too great"

Nigga sonic was never anythinh beyond "pretty fun game", the games were never revolutionary like a lot of people seem to think, they were just fun and looked cool. The level design and game mechanics were always kinda cooler than functional. Each game got better, with S3&K being the most well thought out 2D sonic, but it still had some rough edges, typical from arcade game designers making a console game.

There's a reason sonic games follow trends instead of setting them, and that's because it is a mascot franchise first and foremost

*rush adventure

FTFY mate

Now that i think of it, i liked rush adventure more than rush
I found boosting to be a welcome addition, since its fun to mess around with as you get to add a vector to your speed at pretty much any moment making it very exploitable. Tricking was fun, any ability that lets my instantly change the direction of velocoty makes me feel so good. Changing paths based on QTE ls is normally a bad thing but it works pretty well in a speedy game like this.

But more importantly the previous and succeeding 3d games were tire fires

sonic rush was the advent of this boost dash shit wasn't it?

not sure how I feel about it retroactively knowing that

Nah it's pretty great. Adventures may be even better, but both have their own things they do better than the other. Either way, OP is wrong because Colors came out after both those games.

Wrapped in wrapped in wrapped in black

*Sonic Rush Adventure may be even better

Blaze is sensual

What would their children look like?

>holds up better than mario

I'd say S3&K is the only 2D sonic that comes close to Super Mario World in terms of design, but none are really better.

Sonic got games because he looked really cool, and fans forgive the obious flaws in his design, Mario is a shit mascot, literally a fat man with a moustache, but his games are incredible and influential as fuck, so people overlooked his character design and made him a mascot anyways.

yeah, what the fuck? how dare people expect great games?

>hidden ending
???

This.
Why did everyone forget about colors despite being a solid game?

I think both of these comments explain the sonic fanbase

Colors was pretty good and I don't care what anyone says, the first Riders was fun as hell.

again, you can disagree but I didn't think it was great

All I'm saying is that sonic fans always expect the games to return to a god tier level of quality, when they were never really THAT revolutionary.

It's like expecting the next battlefield to be better than Half-Life and then be disapoited when it's just another battlefield

Because it's a Wii game, same reason people forget games like Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Sin & Punishment 2 and Pandora's Tower happened.

I wouldn't even consider myself a sonic fan but I see no reason a sonic game can't be great. If it's done right, it could easily be great

Riders was 10/10
You could do some crazy shit if you were good at it. Rewarded you heavily for knowing how the game works and pulling off cool shit.

Theres no reason any game wouldn't be great, but you base your expectations on reality. Thay argument makes no sense. "X game could be really good, they just have to make it be good" Well, duh.

I loved the og riders and zero gravity had some crazy stage skipping shit if you use the gravity shit hard enough to blast you over voids

People thought Rush was "great"?
Sonic autism knows no bounds.
I mean, it was okay a bit better than the Advance shit but the music was sloppy and not at all catchy (I just generally dont find Naganuma enjoyable though) and it was still clearly a Dimps game with all the level design bullshit that entails.

I know my remark about the music will trigger a lot of weebs but DAMN is that shit obnoxious. What even genre is that shit? It's like all the worse parts of soundcloud put through an oh-so-quirky Japanese blender. Rush Adventure was even worse but that was some one doing a Naganuma pastiche.

I don't understand your post. are you saying sonic will never have an amazing game?

more importantly

what would their children look like?

Iizuka is the true visionary of the series, you philistines. Not this Western pig you call Taxman.

I can't wait for him to personally fire the entire Mania team out of spite. You think you can take Sonic away from Sonic Team? Think again.

>I really liked this game because of how fucking broken and poorly made it was and how that allowed me to do crazy stuff after hours of trying to manipulate Sonic in this clearly unfinished shovelware

I feel like maybe that's missing the point of trying to make a good game...

I'm saying sonic was never AMAZING, it was a fun 2D platformer, but it wasn't halg as revolutionary as people make it. Sonic fans always get disapoited when a new sonic game isn't a groundbreaking 10/10 game, like a game just being fun isn't enough.

Rush is just okay. It sucks compared to Advance and Advance 3. Same for Rush Adventure.

Blaze is awesome though.

Also Generations was really good aside from the bosses.

I guess it depends on how fun it is. my job can be a bit fun sometimes but it's not like it's as good as sex. People just want MORE fun. is that a crime?

Sonic was good enough to give Segan edge in a market it never had a presence in. You can say they dont hold up or whatever, but yes, Sonic was amazing and the Genesis even being competitive at all was a testament to that.

>Blaze is awesome
Huh? Why? How?
Assuming you say that for completely non-furfag reasons of course.

Ghosts can't breed.

Have you ever tried?

Not him but I replayed it a couple months back and was surprised to find it kind of boring.

yeah, not sure about this either. blaze had about as much personality as shadow but without the anger and lust for revenge. pretty boring. Maybe she's more interesting outside of that one game though. I mean, I guess her fire powers are cool

You're really not getting it user. There's nothing wrong with wanting more. But there's something a bit out of touch, though, with acting like Mania reinventing the entire genre and obsoleting every other platformer should be expected because that's what Sonic's history is. Because that's not what Sonic's history is. The Golden Era of Sonic games is really more of a comparative thing within the series than compared to games outside it. Mania fits right alongside that era.

People hate the slow platforming. I understand that it makes like 80% of the game but it's still really fun considering the main line games that came before. It's literally Sonic Rush but with "AAA" budget and new mechanics

I think I get what you're saying. I guess I just want more games that add to sonic's gameplay like mania added the drop dash

Adventure 2 is a very good game with a lot of content.

The thing about the Adventures was that they were more just straight up 3D Platformers. The Knuckles find the treasure stages are straight up in the vain of Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie. It's a totally different beast from 2D Sonic.

Fans started to say "Sonic is about Speed" so Sega reduced the series to just that with Sonic Heroes, Sonic 06, Unleashed, and Generations.

I hope eventually Sega does make a Sonic Adventure 3 while letting Headcannon make proper 2D Sonics.

post yfw Mania team becomes the new Sonic Team

Sonic was a highly marketed mascot that sold more on its image than on being a good game. Sega knew how to market their stuff, it was the RADICAL 90s, and Nintendo was bent on being the family friendly company and remaining traditional, while Sega was all SKATING AND BACKWARD HATS, so Sonic was the perfect mascot for the time, and his games sold on his image alone. Sure they were fun, but that's it really.

>>My face when I found out Wrapped in Black sampled a Malcolm X speech.

Source?

Mario's design is fine.

>All I'm saying is that sonic fans always expect the games to return to a god tier level of quality, when they were never really THAT revolutionary.

Sonicfags are delusional. Many of them probably still think they were ever on Mario's level.

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I doubt it. They might be kept on to keep doing stuff in the vein of Mania's original Sonic games shtick, but I doubt it'll become Sonic's main game type again, even if Forces goes down in flames worse than 06 or Boom. That they keep chasing that 3D gameplay style even after seriously fucking up twice just goes to show you'd have to kill Sonic before Sonic Team moved away from that line of design.

Rush wasnt good. I have rush and colors for the ds and they both blow dick

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>tfw

you know blaze was a lot more of a likable rival then shadow

Ah so I'm not the only one with this opinion, I just picked up Advance 3 recently and thought it was tedious as hell, which surprised me since Advance 2 was one of my favorite game as a child.

Not him but no

Advance 3 was my first Sonic game. I've always had an abusive relationship with this franchise.

shadow is out of his element dude

What does that mean?

Anyone have a mega of sonic mania for pc so I can steal it :^)

Is Blaze a slut for human cock?

edgy shitty character

I appreciate how goofy it was in adventure 2, but after that it went to far

Sonic Adventure 2 was kinda at the right time, at the right place. It was released during a time when 3D Sonic was still a novelty of sorts, and was also the Dreamcast's swansong. Naturally, people looked at it less critically.

Meanwhile, look the scores of its re-releases. SA2B originally didn't even come out a year later than the DC version and yet it got way lower scores. People were kinda beginning to catch on by then.