Is it the player or the games responsibility to "get good?"

Is it the player or the games responsibility to "get good?"

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good enough to beat a tutorial level, nobody can fuck up a tutorial level, is humiliating that one gets stuck in the easiest level

Its ok to be bad at video games. It is NOT okay to write about video games you dont know how to play

Have my boys Rich from Reviewtechusa and Alphaomegasin made any videos about this issue?

There's a reasonable minimum competency that's expected of people who review video games.

Maybe that they're in the upper oh I dunno 70%.

it is when it's your profession
>Should I be allowed to do my job even if I'm bad at it?
No, no you should not

if you're not good for a certain genre, let someone else play it and do the writing. Writing about a game and call it challenging becuase you suck at it is bullshit

This is all marketing to drive traffic to their channel.
Whether OP is literally them or someone looking for honest discussion, people.need to stop shilling for them.

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there was a time when I would call bs on this because lol Sup Forums. Reddit ruined this site desu

This shit is so stupid that it warrants at the best a food analogy
>guy becomes become food reiwerer
>doesn't know how to cook and his favorite restaurant is fast food
>surprised when people say his opinion is shit
I don't want a person who reviews or criticizes something have no idea what they're doing or lack skill at what they're doing. Because you can get a review from any jabroni in that case and it holds just as little water.

The person question is not a game reviewer, he covers the industry.

His job is to write about games. Playing is a part of that, sure, but his ability to write about games is the much more important skill here.

Dude has been writing professionally about games and mainly the games industry for over 20 years. Longer than many of you have been alive.

How can you write about games if you play them on such a level that it is impossible for you to understand their mechanics and depth? All this talk of "I don't need to be good at games in order to be good at writing about them" stuff is utter bullshit. The latter REQUIRES the former.

can't tell if troll....

This, if you can't beat the game you have no right to review it.

That's like asking a deaf person to review music.

How much does it suck to be given "defend our company on the internet" as a task during stand up? You guys have tried changing the narrative on this story 3 times already.

He's not a critic in the least though. He covers news stories, dude has never been a reviewer. He concerns himself with the more technical aspects of game hardware and the industry at large. This barely anything to do with being good at games.

I can't believe we've allowed this to become a thing. Its not like its a big surprise that (((games journalist))) are shit at games. Just look at all of the games they enjoy, easy, mainstream, narrative driven garbage that requires absolutely no skill or thought from the player. Its either that or shitty SJW games that only exist to push the (((agenda))). Fuck games journalism it started out as AD driven trash and no matter how much we try to change it, it will always be this way.

Reminder that this is like being a book reviewer who can only read at a fourth grade level.

why would anyone watch a podcast conducted over video chat? The fucking delay ruins any chemistry between the people, what with the awkward pauses and interruptions.

This

This, failing to beat a tutorial level is the scrubbiest thing that a player can do

>20 years of experience
>Paid for doing this
>Spends two minutes on a fucking tutorial unable to press two buttons and the next 25 minutes unable to clear the first level of a platformer
>Sup Forums tries to defend this

>his ability to write about games is the much more important skill here
how is he supposed to write anything other than:
>I had a good time with it
>I like the artstyle and music for the retro vibes they give off

he can't write anything about how well the game handles, how it compares to other 2-D beat-em-up/platformers, how challenging it is, or anything along those lines because he can't comprehend how to play the game
He can't explain why gameplay mechanics work or don't work, what makes them good or bad as a video game because he can't even get past the tutorial to see what the game has to offer
I don't get how well he can write an article, the video is prove enough that he has no credibility when it comes to a game other than its visuals, music, and concept, which is bad because there is still a GAME there

>while reading I saw some big words I didn't know so I just ignored them. About 2 chapters in the story got very confusing. Who is this guy? Why does he kill all those people? Where did those mountains come from? I feel the author doesn't do a good job explaining the world.
>Chapters 5 and 8 were just talking bits, there was no fights and it was very boring so I skipped past them.
>Later on I found out my favorite character died for no reason off-screen! A very cheap way to write him out in my opinion.

>overall it was a very poor mess, I would rate it a mere 4 stars out of 5

This shit absolutely PLAGUES fighting games.

So many fucking people are shit at fighting games but think that they can have an opinion and express their thoughts about which fighting games are better than other fighting games and what fighting game mechanics are good and which aren't.

It fucking sucks, I know, but fighting games aren't casual shooters like Overwatch. You can't play for 10 minutes and understand everything about them. You have to put in some time and dedication to learning and continuous self improvement before you can even stand a chance playing at a competent level.

If you want to talk about fighting games, you HAVE to at least be competent at them. It's not the games fucking job to dumb itself down for you to understand it. It's YOUR job to put in the time and effort to fucking GIT GUD.

user, Dean has been reviewing games his entire career. He is, for all intents and purposes, a game reviewer.
He gave Mass Effect a bad score because he couldn't figure out how to level up.
He shat on WH40k Space Marine because he thought it was a Gears of War ripoff.
He said Xcom 2 would have no playerbase in a month because it was too hard.

you forgot
>The author should have made this book easier I'll rate it lower because it doesn't pander to my (questionable) skill level

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on fighting games as a casual, but

>Fighting games need to remove inputs, frame data, etc or the genre will DIE

Is horseshit.

>59 minutes discussing a box and jump dash with the same gravity as a hurricane evacuation

Before it was a temporary meme, now it's permanent.

yeah okay, but the story mode isn't good so 3/10

Games aren't a story medium. The story is just the glue that holds the game together.

If you were a Chad too busy doing other stuff, I would understand not caring much about games. But how do people who look like that end up being bad at video games?

they only defend because they want to be "le edgy contrarian XDXDXDD". deep inside everybody is disgusted by this

so in other words, without a good story, games fall apart and break?

>wasted more than half his life playing video games for a living
>so bad that you're the laughing stock of normie children
The worst part is that all he had to do was come clean and admit that he is beyond shit and just move on. Instead, he called everyone elitist, attributed not being able to jump on a crate to Cuphead being hard, and made an hour long video where he still avoids admitting that he's bad at video games period and it has nothing to do with Cuphead.

sounds like dsp

why do lolcows always double down instead of cutting their losses and letting it go?

they always fucking double down and make things 10x worse

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I can understand not being able to do an air dash, if your only experience with platformers is Mario and you have never played Mega Man. But how do you justify jumping at the side of a pillar for the 15th time when the last 14 times didn't work? This isn't about skill or reading comprehension; this is about basic problem solving.

The guy whose footage they captured doesn't normally play games, right? I feel like this should have been presented more as some kind of clickbait bullshit like "Our industry coverage guy tried to play Cup Head prank social experiment gone sexy 2017" and it would have been fine. Watching somebody struggle with really basic concepts like reading instructions on the screen and then executing them is just really frustrating and distracts from the game itself. The player should be gud enough to exhibit some small amount of competency. They don't have to be a pro or anything.

>the specific copy I read was leather bound and as a strong advocate for animal rights this upset me very much
>this will unfortunately bring down its final score at the end of my review

>literally has LESS problem solving ability than a fucking pigeon

just how? I can defend the bad gameplay of nu-Doom because I would probably play like that if they force me to play on a controller but this is literally fucking inexcusable.

>trying to shill more venturebeat
it's not going to happen dean
you will be back to 200 views per video in no time

If your job is to know about video games you should know about video games. It's not about having the responsibility to 'get good'. It's about doing your job. You wouldn't expect somebody who has a job covering movies to not know what a scene was or openly speak about how they don't like the concept of movies.

>"I can defend the bad gameplay of nu-Doom because I would probably play like that if they force me to play on a controller but this is literally fucking inexcusable."
>implying they would have been any better with a keyboard & mouse

Yeah fucking right.

>is ability to write about games is the much more important skill here

You know, you're right. In fact, why won't we read one of his thought provoking articles right now.

>But the similarities between THQ’s third-person shooter game, developed by its Relic Entertainment studio, and Microsoft’s Gears of War third-person shooter series, developed by Epic Games, are just piling up by the dozen. Start with the over-sized armor and bodybuilder physiques of the marines. When you aim a gun in Space Marine, the target reticle is huge, just like the target reticle in Gears of War. The guns are huge and they feature a chainsaw blade that can be used to slice enemies in half, execution style, similar to the “chainsaw bayonet” of the Gears soldiers.

>The blood spatters are also quite similar. The guns shoot in a similar fashion and the Space Marines wield a big giant hammer that resembles the blasting hammers not from Gears of War but from Microsoft’s other sci-fi franchise, Halo.

>When I asked the THQ folks about this, they immediately pointed out that this game was set in the Warhammer universe, which has its own rich and original lore. In fact, this universe predates the existence of Gears of War, so you might argue that Gears of War copies Warhammer 40,000.

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>Of course, since the THQ guys had a handy explanation of the difference so readily available, it seemed like they knew they were going to get asked that question.

>The bad guys are the green Ork enemies from the Warhammer world, and they bear no resemblance to the enemies in Gears of War, except that they make loud grunts. Of course, their very name does bear resemblance to the “orcs” in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, but we’ll ignore that for now.

This is so horrible watch, its basically a fat gay asian trying to defend his retardation.

Also the 2nd player in the gamespot video was equally bad, whoever the fuck was playing didn't know how to change the direction of the laser.

Nigger I got through nu-Doom on ultra-violence and some of nightmare on a fucking controller

Literally no excuse

Wait a minute, I thought he wasn't a reviewer! Are you lying to me, user?

How does this retarded faggot even get through life?

>It turns out that I had money in my pocket just waiting there to be spent on food! I never needed to starve to death after all!

This entire thing is just baffling to me. Can someone actually explain to me how someone who has been supposedly playing games for over 20 years could be SO bad at them? The only thing that I can think of is that he has some sort of mental problems, not even joking.

What's more pathetic is that he and all of his co-workers have been defending that video non stop since it came out. They don't even seem to realize (at the least, they haven't acknowledged) that he was so bad that it goes beyond
>uhhh Cuphead is hard
being a valid answer

So I've been pumping gas for 20 years but I'm still not entirely sure which type of gas goes into which type of car and I'm also not that good at getting it into the car so I spill a lot of it.

Is that levelord?

wtf

>I asked a straightforward and entirely ignorant question of people who have been working with the source material for literal years, probably known about it for more
>He had an answer to a question I could have easily researched so therefore there's something shady going on here. Why would I take the time to research it? Me churning out a two minute piss-rag is worth more than all the effort this dude has put in. But me receiving games for free is not a conflict of interest, don't be silly.
Aren't these guys insistent about how much games NEED to be art and mature? Where do they get off on being so disrespectful to artists?

That's a poor analogy. It's better to say that he ordered a soup and tried to eat it with a fork. Then when he fails at eating the soup, he blames the chef.

Wasn't this unusually common for ME? I've heard multiple people talk about making this same mistake.

I don't give a shit if jurnos are the Masters of the Video Game World, but maybe Dean could get a LITTLE better

Like, maybe he should write about tech. The daft cunts that review TVs and phones sounds about as vapid as he does, so he'd fit right in.

You don't have have to get GOOD but at least least get descent at it.

The guy from the cuphead video is more of a games business reporter than a game reviewer

>wooooooow how did I know that pausing the game opened a menu where you can customise equipment and skills

user, when you go into the menu, there is a big flashing "SQUAD" icon indicating you can put in skills or change your equipment.

Political bloggers literally shitting their pants now that players are once again questioning how good they are at their jobs.

Imagine being so bad at video games that you get your friend to make an article like this.

Even DSP is more competent at video games than Dean is, and it's not even DSP's job to give an analysis of them.

DSP may have failed spectacularly at P3 but at least he made it past the intro.

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the meme that keeps on giving

>game reviewers who suck at games decide whether you need to be good at games to review them
>the answer is no sweeties, please donate to anita and buy zoe's book

No, you don't have to.
But if you want to play against other people, one would need to realize they might have go against people who in fact got gud

STOP FIGURING OUT THAT WE ARE UNFIT TO WORK IN THIS BUSINESS!!!!

I think any review of a video game should now include the reviewers entire gameplay video. This should be mandatory.
People have the right to know when a reviewer is some low IQ mouthbreather.

Then he shouldn't be doing journalism like a game reviewer. He has a responsibility to both the developer and the consumer to represent the game. It's horribly disrespectful to the developers (who have worked for a very long time) he's received the game from and is entirely useless to the consumer in terms of making a decision. It's straight up irresponsible to release something like this when your job is to inform people's buying decisions.

A deaf man is considered one of the greatest composers.

I like how the image in that article makes it look like he was trying to beat some mega demon boss and not a stationary tutorial block.

The thing about the Cuphead video is that it has less about your skill at playing video games and more to do with following basic instructions, I'm almost positive somebody had to take the controller from Dean to show him how to air dash

He became deaf only later in life.

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Blind guy is better at games that this journalist.

Was a always deaf when he was a composer? No, he used that experience from making compositions when he could hear to make music when he was deaf

But he couldn't review music as he can't consume it. He couldn't tell how something sounds or how well a song is mixed. Review and creation are different.

There's a guy that can only play with his feet that can do a proper machinist opener and rotation in XIV.

I mean, it's kinda meaningless in the end since being qualified in your field is the least important thing in terms of internet media. As long as you generate interest, negative or positive, you will be employed.

A failure in the field of internet journalism is one that doesn't attract attention; not the accuracy of your work.

but this is what ultimately the casual criticism of fighting games is coming down to

>I can't do a fucking hadouken, fighting games shouldn't have complicated inputs
>I can't make a simple string of 5 moves, fighting games shouldn't rely on combos

etc.

There's also a Street Fighter player who goes to tournaments and does fairly well despite having to play with his tongue.

I am pretty sure either of my parents, who haven't even attempted to play a videogame for 20+ years would probably figure this out faster than good ol Dean.

Throwing this out here though: If I were a developer I'd be blacklisting the journalist for future early copies. Not to mention the fact that streamers are phasing out journalism like that. A streamer can sneeze and gain 10 times the publicity an article will get, in addition to informing the consumer about the game far more accurately. I don't imagine there'll be much market for it soon enough.

>show cuphead video to mom
>is that a new mario game user?
>this looks like your dad at the arcades
>he still doesn't read the instructions to anything

I'm dyin Sup Forums

Well, they teach you in Journalism school that the worst sin a reporter could do, is become the news themselves.

Dean's one job was to showcase the new Cuphead game, one that is hotly anticipated, and show his readers a little bit of what to expect. Dean's poor playing is so distracting, the video became about him, essentially usurping the one reason he was recording video for. He failed at all aspects with this video. He failed Cuphead, he failed his Fans and Readers, and he failed the very story it was his job to cover. What a trash person.

As much as I'm glad that streamers are generally more transparent and just show you commentated gameplay instead of a scored review I am a little concerned about this transition. If you thought journos could be corrupted and bribed just think of what's going on behind the scenes with streamers, they have no reason not to take free games and bribes and such. Their accountability is even less.

nah, there will always be a market as long as AAA shovelware exists. You think EA wants a streamer to give people an honest look at their shit when they could just pay a 'journalist' to bumble through the tutorial for 30 minutes then give it a 10?

You don't need to have journalistic integrity if your job title is video game blogger.

Videogame journalists did not go to school.

Good thing I don't need someone to tell me what is good or not.

As far as I'm aware a lot of streamers use a 'if I like it I'll shill it, if I dont I'll play it for 1 session and not talk too much about it' sort of policy.

Its kinda obvious that he should have a skill level where he can say if the game has glitches or bugs, if the controls are good, f it's running in 30 or 60 fps and so on.

That's fine. I think if you watch a stream and judge a game on what you're seeing then that's the best way to do it.
If you listen to what they say... I'm not sure I can ever trust it.
Unless it's a streamer who you know the tastes of already beforehand.

>teach you in Journalism school
Not a single person who writes about video games has even been near a classroom related to journalism. Majority are just arts/humanities degrees who have no scruples. Every videogame publication ever completely fails every check in the ethics of journalism fullstop since the entire business exists only to be another form of advertising for video games.

VentureBeats is probably ecstatic at this outcome and are likely getting a huge influx of offers of games to review, specifically by Dean so that their game also gets massive exposure. Dean won and all he had to do was play a video game like your grandmom for 25 minutes.

I like how it's trying to link the ridicule he's receiving to a dead unpopular movement. I hadn't even thought of GGate since it was banned from this site til they brought it up.

I agree but I'm a bit less worried. It's obvious if a streamer has received a press-release copy because they're playing it before release. Even if they're being a shady bastard and not talking about the fact they received it for free: It's not like they can hide glaring flaws that are present on screen. Bugs and straight up broken content would be much more evident. What you need to look out for are people deflecting any possible criticism with "It's not a finished product guys! Still in development!" Which can be somewhat valid but is often used to just shut up discussion.

Doesn't matter if nobody is reading what the 'journalist' puts out anymore because the funny man friend-simulator with the beard says memes and talks to them sometimes.