What do you think of Switch carts?

What do you think of Switch carts?

Is it gonna be the same price as PS4 and Xbox if I bought digitally?

>it's a twitter screencap thread

N64 all over again.

Average game nowadays is around 32gb or less, some asshole developers who crave polygons and uncompressed video and sound files will hate it though. Fuck those assholes who do that shit.

I find it nicer on Switch to buy games physically instead of on PS4 where you buy a physical game and it installs it which means wasting space and having to delete games afterwards.

>Average game nowadays is around 32gb or less
It's actually around 40GB.

>$10 price higher
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

B-BUT SD CARDS ARE CHEAP AS FUCK!!!
THE TECHNOLOGY IS SO CHEAP AND SO MANY BRANDS MAKE IT THAT IT COSTS LITERALLY A FEW MORE CENTS THAN BLU RAY

DUDE IT'S HAVING NO LOADING + SAME PRICE AS BLU RAY BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT LIKE 2010 ANYMORE IT'S DIRTY CHEAP!

Sup Forums was wrong again, again and again. I'm loving 2017

>Average game nowadays is around 32gb
Guess you don't play that many games

>Making this thread
>Again

Nice proof he's got there

A simple Musou from 2013 is 14~20GB.
I wish developers compressed videos better but they simply want to please the 4K audience.

>SD card costs 60% more than a 50 Gb bluray
>Bluray costs 5 cents to make
>60% more is 8-9 cents in total
And nintendo is to blame. The digital price is probably 10 dollars more too.

Solid state is better than optical. Would rather pay $10 and have barely any loading time than 2 minute loading screens for slightly cheaper.

There is only one reason why SD games are more expensive: Nintendo don't make deals with third party. They demand their cut and that's it, no talk.
I can't think of any reasonable reason why SD games are more expensive but I knew this would happen.

looks like you've had some practice with mental gymnastics to make up for nintendo's shortcomings over the years. keep working hard maybe you'll be a world champion someday

>it will take em from cents to like 2$ dollars
>Price it at 10$
HA

>Solid state is better than optical.
>Mental gymnastics
That's cold fact user. There's a reason why PC builds treat disk drives as optional features these days.

Partially because games do nothing anyways.

>They demand their cut and that's it, no talk.
unlikely when small time publisher dont go scalping 10$

its more like 3rd party use the ignorance/ lack of hard numbers to blame it on the card and rank up the price

>Bought SSD for PS4
>almost no loading
>buy day 1 digital games on Russia/Singapore PSN
>They cost 30~60% less
>I still get trophies on my main account
feelsgood

Why would Rockstar do it? they are cheap and dirty as fuck but they want to sell their games on Switch. They wouldn't hire a team to optimize a 360/PS3 code on Switch just to end up selling 40k units

>i-i don't mind paying extra for nintendo games m-maybe they'll load better...gee i sure hope they can optimize nintendo hardware this time
>i-it's okay that the wii-u had such a short lifespan, t-that's the price of pregress i guess
>i-i'd rather the wii not get boring multiplats and instead have innovative titles with m-motion control
>o-online multiplayer? w-who needs it when i have melee? n-not me...
>wow, look at all those incredible rpgs for ps1, I sure hope we get something good for...o-oh, quest 64...? y-yeah, haha, looks neat, thanks nintendo!

What a pathetic excuse for a life.

>blame the Switch carts

Fake news. They did this in the Wii U era as well. Remember Deus Ex? It launched twenty dollars higher on Wii U than the other consoles despite that version being built specifically for it with unique features.

Besides we've been noticing the price hike with smaller games as well.

>just to end up selling 40k units
thats the point, Upping the price 10$ meas that even the game sell less it will still make more, that is a 16% extra income.

so if a target Net sales is say 1M$

60$ Price tag = 16,666K copies
70$ Price tag = 14,285K copies

also if the blame is "having to buy bulks of SD cards" that is also short sight, sales or planed longer revenue

short sight means that even if the game sell low, they plan that with even low sale they pay off the investment

longer revenues is cause if they need to sell 60% of the stock to pay off, the other 40% that extra 10$ is pure profit without any extra work

TL;DR: Jews

If the Wii U is any indication, they want this game to bomb so that they can tell their shareholders that their 'future isn't on Nintendo platforms."

That's disappointing. I thought the reason they switched back to carts was because they can hold more than discs and load faster but I guess not.

The switched to carts because disc readers on a portable are a joke. Power hogs and prone to fucking up, what with being moving parts.

Not that it really matters. Most games make you install to the harddive anyway, so discs are really just a physical DRM. More convenient than downloading through their shitty online services, though, so there's still that.

Man I wish Nintendo would put a bluray drive on a portable.

I will be upset if a first/second party Nintendo game will require me to get an SD card. Otherwise, who cares?

>Rewriteable 50GB BD cost about $4 on the consumer market
>60% more is about $6
>Somehow this justify an extra $10
>and its Nintendo fault

imagine being this autistic

Discs are shit.

>it costs 60% more for them to put a game on a cartridge compared to a bluray
So it costs like five cents more?

So they lose like 0.1% of their total profit?

This justifies a 16% price increase?

No, fuck that. The real reason the price is higher is that they know they can get away with it by using the cartridges as a pretense.

That makes sense. I wonder what the default cart size is if 32gb costs more

imagine looking at nearly two decades of unadulterated failure on nintendo's part and realizing you have no rebuttal so you sperg out and call the person who said these things autistic

Keep in mind that no actual publisher is coming forward and addressing the discrepancy. Nintendo confirmed that it is the third parties that set the price for their Switch games, yet we're seeing retards like ZhugeEX try to push this narrative that this is somehow Nintendo's fault.

So if they need to charge $10 more, that means a 50GB bluray disc costs publishers about $16.66 each. That's bullshit because I can buy a 10 pack of 50GB 6x speed (same as a PS4) blu ray discs for about $17 on Amazon.

Sadly that'd literally Nintendo fans who defend Nintendos every action. Nintendos dead to me. I've had enough Mario and Zelda in my lifetime to not worry about not being able to play them. Until Nintendo makes a serious console for once, I'm done with them.

imagine not reading posts you reply to

nah I don't believe in any conspiracy against Nintendo
Just look at how Reggie thinks their fans are consumers and how bad Nintendo of Japan refuse to hire people to make a F-zero game
Back on the Wii U days they really wanted to get in the Wii U train and even EA/Ubisoft ported some games

Paying more for better loading and reading times is perfectly reasonable.

but Nintendo never drops prices on regular games any fucking way even if that shit is 2-4 years old, pass the $50 bitch

I already played LA Noire and the dev is gone so whatever

This is a good question

denial aint a river in egypt bitch

This one is actually a relevant video game related post though.

I bought that expensive Luigi Wii U DLC for Super Mario Bros Wii U and then I realized it has time limit... I tried to get a refund but no luck. A few months later I sold my Wii U. Unfortunately I to this day I realize people have faith in Nintendo.

imagine still being buttblasted but still seeking (You)s

This picture bugs me specifically because someone actually bought that Valkyria game

Yeah, Zhuge's line of reasoning here is utter bullshit. Two things are happening here:

One, Rockstar realizes that they can increase the price of this game by $10 and retards like Zhuge will defend them for it for F R E E.

Two, Rockstar doesn't think L.A Noire is going to sell very well on the Switch (rightfully so, because L.A. Noire is garbage), so they're increasing the price in order to try and maximize the amount of money they make from the few people who do buy it.

Actually, there's a third, too:

3, Rockstar is intentionally trying to dumpster this game's chances of success so that they have an excuse for not porting more games to the Switch later down the road.

This makes sense. The PSVita games that were also on the PS4 were also more expensive than their PS4 counterparts because of the nature of carts and discs.

I can't tell if you're serious or not with this.
Are you talking about manufacturing costs? Because Vita games are always ~$20 cheaper than their PS4 counterparts with very few exceptions.

That's false for last 2 years at least. Every single vita game is cheaper. Ys VIII on Vita I found 15 dollars cheaper, Dragon Quest warriors II too and even pre-order games like Secret of Mana

>60% higher cost than a bluray
>a bluray probably costs less than a fucking dollar for a publisher
Where's the ten bucks come from

So by this reasoning, the digital release should be $10 cheaper than the physical

>The PSVita games that were also on the PS4 were also more expensive than their PS4 counterparts because of the nature of carts and discs

What the fuck are you high?

Like it or not, they're essential.
>putting a disc in something meant to move around a lot
Those portable cd players and the PSP UMDs sure did work out great, right?

complete horseshit. it's entirely because of it being nintendo branded.

Why did Nintendo even go with carts even they cost more and don't have as much storage as discs?

Don't get me wrong, I like carts and it's way more satisfying to put them in and I don't have to worry about scratching them or anything, but it just doesn't seem like a very smart decision.

Nigger you're retarded as fuck. Vita games rarely ever go above $40 new while PS4 versions are almost always $60.

>Two, Rockstar doesn't think L.A Noire is going to sell very well on the Switch (rightfully so, because L.A. Noire is garbage)
Game wouldn't exist if that was true.

>3, Rockstar is intentionally trying to dumpster this game's chances of success so that they have an excuse for not porting more games to the Switch later down the road.
Rockstar doesn't need an excuse. No one makes them do anything. Them porting a game to the Switch means they wanted to port a game to the Switch.

Because they're better in every single fucking way, apart from cost

It's also bullshit that no one but Sega and Frozenbyte (Puyo Puyo Tetris and Has Been Heroes respectively) has released a Switch game for less digitally than physically if it's just about expensive cartridges.

No, because brick and mortar stores have threatened to boycott Nintendo's products if they do that.

They couldn't do that with Sony or Microsoft's products because S&M both have external revenue streams (and probably account for more of FUCKING Gamestop's revenue anyways). Gamestop would go out of business before Sony or Microsoft did. That's why they have such heavy discounts on their digital products.

But Nintendo? They'd disappear if they didn't move physical copies of their games, not to mention their consoles.

>Why did Nintendo even go with carts even they cost more and don't have as much storage as discs?

It's a portable device.

vita games are sold cheaper dude.

I honestly forgot.

I don't have a switch.

Wasn't this whole 'Switch version is $10 more expensive because cartridges' proven to be a load of baloney the first time that one dev tried to do it?

>completely mobile handheld

"yeah why didn't they put in a giant fucking cd tray"

fuck off moron. in any general sense cds are an outdated, obsolete format that exist only because of america's inability to create network infrastructure that isn't complete shite. i've seen fucking seedboxes in singapore that would blow your little insignificant mind

because to sell a chinese on the go garbage you can't afford to have a bluray reader
They could have released a Dock with blu ray reader and the tablet mode would accept SD cards
The user could transfer the Blu ray files to SD. But nintendo would charge 699 for that Blu ray dock

>3, Rockstar is intentionally trying to dumpster this game's chances of success so that they have an excuse for not porting more games to the Switch later down the road.

This makes 0 sense

>Dock with blu ray reader and the tablet mode would accept SD cards
That would be a fair 299 price tag

???

quit posting

>Game wouldn't exist if that was true.
It would if they thought they could turn a profit by selling it for $10 more.

>Rockstar doesn't need an excuse. No one makes them do anything. Them porting a game to the Switch means they wanted to port a game to the Switch.
They have a public image to uphold and are beholden to their consumers. What looks better - "we just don't want to make games for Nintendo" or "well last time we did it nobody bought it guess the fans aren't there :^)"

Look don't ask me about the nebulous fucking motivations of huge, multibillion dollar corporations. EA, Ubisoft, Activision, they do this shit all the time. They want to have a good relationship with Nintendo just in case another Wii comes along and they can make a quick buck off of it, but otherwise they have little to no interest in an actual working relationship, because Nintendo doesn't take any of their bullshit. I'm amazed Rabbids Mario got made.

You never owned a PSP, or hell, a portable CD player, did you? There's a reason people don't use discs in portable things anymore.

>SD Cards are a suitable alternative
No.

60% isn't that bad, or have bds not yet reached commodity pricing? Should be something like 4-6usd, so nintendo is charging 6-9usd.

And Sega at least gave you some neat keychains for paying the extra 10 bucks.

I said the dock mode would have the blu ray reader and the screen/tablet SD cards. You inset blu ray on the dock and play blu ray while docked or transfer files to SD while on the portable mode

Or alternatively just use a medium that is faster, more reliable and has a longer lifetime

>or have bds not yet reached commodity pricing

For a while Sony were artificially inflating the cost of blu-ray manufacture to a rather large degree. I don't know if they are still doing that.

that doesn't exist.
Two companies control the production of SD cards despite popular myth they are ''open format and cheap''. Even Vita games are chaper.
Releasing a dock with blu ray and a tablet with SD would fix everything and allow users to transfer their games from disc to SD card and play on the go.

4. Theu think of Nintendo is the apple of gaming and know that Nintendodrones like to get fucked in the ass with high prices, like the Switch's accessories.

50GB blurays are $1 or less at a consumer level. Video game publishers probably get them for 25 cents or less for buying them in huge quantities.

>They have a public image to uphold
They are basically untouchable. They don't get phased by shit at this point.

>What looks better - "we just don't want to make games for Nintendo" or "well last time we did it nobody bought it guess the fans aren't there :^)"
That's the thing. Rockstar doesn't have to say shit. If there was no Switch version, the market wouldn't really question them. Switch owners would complain, especially after the leak, but they would also accept that as reality.

>that doesn't exist.
But it does. They're called cartridges

>or transfer files to SD while on the portable mode
Are you actually thinking this would be a good compromise?

>Waiting however long in order to 'transfer' data from a blu-ray to an SD card
>If not included: needing to purchase a separate SD card in order to take advantage of on of the main points of the console: being able to play on the go
>Even if included: needing to re-write the card if you want multiple games, or otherwise get a $50+ SD card to fit more than one game
>On top of needing to make the console even MORE expensive by including a Blu-ray reader in the dock (which at this point isn't a dock, it's a stationary part of the main console)
>Making it impossible to play a new switch game without first touching base at a dock and 'installing'
>Developers needing to optimize the game for load speeds on both SD card and Blu-ray
>Needing to support 3rd party SD cards or otherwise release 'official' ones in order to make use of one of the console's primary features
>Variably sized game disc's having varying requirements for the SD card
>On top of the hot monkey shit it would be keeping a system like that from getting hacked

Funny how carts only seem to drive up prices against Playstation consoles.

rly mks u tink

Then perhaps it's either bulk purchase minimums, something nintendo used to do in the 64 era, which caused similar headaches, iirc, or perhaps it's just port costs, due to different arch and hardware performance.

Still would fuck Marina.

Still wouldn't fuck Pearl.

>d if you want multiple games, or otherwise get a $50+ SD card to fit more than one game
That's already a problem with the current Switch. People buying multiple cards because a fucking 128GB SD card is expensive.
>Developers needing to optimize the game for load speeds on both SD card and Blu-ray
not an issue. Blu rays today are faster enough and you fix the loading issue including a 20 dollar 1TB HDD 5400rpm drive.
In theory having a PS4 portable is amazing but the storage is a huge issue plus they didn't even wait for the Tegra x2 to get cheaper so they ended up using 2014 technology that barely runs Dragon Quest Warriors II at 28fps.

>Video game publishers probably get them for 25 cents or less for buying them in huge quantities.

Press and print will see you spending quite a bit of money. It depends on how many you are actually getting done but at the cheapest, i.e. if you are doing millions of them, you will still be paying around $1 per disc. The less you order the higher the price goes.

Manufacturers sell their recordables at very thin margins, they make the majority of their money from runs for third parties.

>still having each of your games on a separate piece of plastic
Am I back in the 90s?

I'm more intrigued by the fact that they are re-releasing 5 year old games on new consoles.

In the dark ages of ISPs that can ban you from the internet with a simple letter and DRM the best thing are still Blurays and SD cards with the game . It's better to lose them on a flood or fire than having your library hosted on third party servers. In theory you can have the files on hard drive but the digital only service on steam constantly checks if you are authenticated and they collect data without your consent

>Already a problem with the current switch
If you're just going to buy the game on BD then transfer to and SD card like it's an eshop purchase than why the fuck would you bother with the Blu-ray? Just buy and download it via eshop. Having a BD option in this case provides no benefit. Even if it was sensible, the point of the console is:
1. Joycons allow for different ways to play (handheld, tabletop, docked, different control schemes)
2. The Switch is 'pick up and go', so you can go quickly from playing docked to playing handheld, handheld to tabletop, and back again with no interruption.

Your solution, at best, would require pausing or restarting the game in order to move it into or out of docked mode, purely for the sake of having BD's instead of cartridges. A layer of abstraction away from cartridges for the sole purpose of relying on BD's instead is stupid. It's like you're blasting a hole through a mountain because it's cheaper to lay road than to build a bridge, despite the entire tunnel building process costing more than building the bridge. I'm not gonna get anywhere convincing you otherwise, though, since you don't want to be convinced.

Oh yes, all this super sensitive data collected by online game services. Man, it sure sucks that they know what achievements i got!

Doesn't the Switch only have like 32GB?

7 year old
>why the fuck would you bother with the Blu-ray?
Cheaper games. You can buy almost every single PS4 day 1 release for less than 40 dollars on the internet (physical copy). You just need to wait a few weeks to arrive.

I remember LRG saying the 4GB Vita carts were around 3x the cost of a 25GB Bluray disk to produce so I'm surprised the 32GB Switch carts are only 60% more than a 50GB Bluray.
Also if it's only a 60% cost difference then it seems weird how publishers are already starting to release boxed copies that only have download slips installed like for that NBA game.

Consoles from here on out are going to be backwards compatible because nobody is using any obscure architecture like the cell anymore so they're jumping on the re-releases now while they still can. If they were to wait much longer people would be expecting full blown remakes instead of upscaled or slightly prettier re-releases.

>Valkyria Revolution
$29.99
That game was such trash, holy shit. Like how do you take a working formula involving firearms, add things to it, and yet somehow make it worse. I bought it on a whim because I saw it for $10, I haven't regretted a game this much since I bought the collectors edition of Two Worlds on the 360.