Sup Forums do you ever get completely obsessed with just one game? I only like KOTOR 2. I've been replaying it over and over for years. When I'm not playing I think about it. I like the dark yet comfy atmosphere, the philosophical/historical discussions with Kreia, the 2004 graphics, and the story and all the sidequests.
I don't have my Xbox right now so I watch playthroughs instead.
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>there are people itt who used lightsabers and unironically believe their kotor 2 playthroughs were valid
what's wrong with lightsabers
I did too. I beat the game over 50 times. Dxun was maximum comfy. I get butterflies just thinking about the game.
Dxun, Onderon, and Nar Shaddaa were god tier. I even liked Citadel Station above Telos even though there wasn't that much to it.
>No mention of Korriban
APATHY IS DEATH
>I don't have my Xbox right now so I watch playthroughs instead.
Are you telling me that you've never played it on PC with the restored content?
>doing a light side playthrough
>sided with Vaklu because I thought he would be better
>nope, it's the evil option
Anyways, was Kavar banging Talia?
Korriban and Dantooine were a lot better in the first game. They were kind of boring in this one. But the Force cave on Korriban was ok.
>Silver lightsaber lost on Coruscant
>Bronze lightsaber constructed during the game
>Light side but only in a decent human being unwillingly given responsibility sort of way
>Insist that you're not a Jedi, just a tired old man or woman who could feel the Force once, refuse any and all labels
>Train every viable companion as a Jedi despite this
Reminder that this is the correct choice.
My greatest point of rage over these games and TORtanic is that being a student in the Sith Academy doesn't get WAY more depth and focus, that shit has potential to be a game in itself
OP I think you have legit autism. KOTOR2 was fucking great, I think I beat it about 8-10 times, but that's just overboard. After a couple play through's you've experienced nearly all the content and the predictability really effects the replayability. The combat system was fun, but not THAT fun
Vaklu was definitely the better choice regardless of what the writers think. Let's examine the options here.
>Vaklu wants to conserve the sovereignty and traditions of his culture
>Queen Talia wants to sell out her own people to the Republic Jews
Hmmmmm
Kreia said that he fucked Onderon over so...
>Vaklu wants to conserve the sovereignty and traditions of his culture
That's what he claims, but the truth is that he's riding Sith dick as hard as his queen was riding the Republic's. He's thrown his lot in with manipulators and evil sorts that will surely abuse and drain Onderon in the long run.
>playing such a comfy game on fucking xbox
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So would Talia. She was a neolib shill.
>not the aesthetically superior green and violet lightsaber combo
you plebs I swear
t. Vaklu
Nope, she actually Onderon great again.
>green and violet
You best be joking
It comes down to the question of whether you would rather be cucks to the (((Republic))) or cucks to the Sith.
>reloading telos merchant 50000000000 times to get the cyan crystal
That guy's goatee was pretty /fa/
Republic no question. I'm not saying then in charge is good, but it's a hell of a lot better than a murder-cult where corruption and nepotism is not only the norm but actively encouraged.
>Not doing all Jedis with blasters run
Scrub.
A Jedi tool and a sith weapon
Thanks doc
Fool. A lightsaber does not define you, you are the one that defines it. To fear it so grants it more power and reverence than a tool deserves, and makes you no less a slave to it than the Jedi or Sith.
>a neocon shill selling Onderon out to the space Jews is making Onderon great again
Literally the Hillary Clinton of Star Wars.
Fuck off Kreia. I'm not using a vibrosword the whole game
for bonus points make your character the one black girl with purple hair and wear the green jal shey armor so the colours compliment eachother
So you'd rather look like a Christmas decoration
>Literally the Hillary Clinton of Star Wars.
Kind of but I think Angela Merkel would be a better comparison.
>Kreia would never lie
Why couldn't they give the armor a full cape starting at the shoulders instead of that retarded waist cape
I suspect I may be autistic but I've never been diagnosed. I think I show a lot of signs of autism.
You will never again get to express something so awesome as riding in a freaking Basilisk and having rows of officers saluting you after blasting the shit out people to this theme
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Like holy fuck
This character model was probably the best one in either game.
It's one of my favourite games of all time, and I love the setting. I'm a falloftheromanempireaboo so the idea of a Republic Dark Age is fascinating to me.
Do you think that America today parallels Rome in its final days
How can you play it on xbox? The game was so butchered it NEEDS mods.
Yes. Digimon World 1.
Completed the Digimon chart and got 100% of the town Digimon aswell.
I usually play it once a year.
>Do you think that America today parallels Rome in its final days
No. It's easy for people to see parallels in these things constantly, when in actual fact the Romans always thought that they were living in violent, degenerate times on the edge of destruction.
America is now in its 200 AD stage. It has hit its peak, but all it can do now is decline.
>It has hit its peak, but all it can do now is decline.
Yeah isn't that how it parallels the final days of Rome
Get it on steam and get the restored content mod from the workshop. Experience your favorite game again with new stuff that make it even better than before, you won't regret it.
If by "days" you mean "centuries"
I'm obsessed with the Mass Effect trilogy. You can berate my shit taste, I just can't move on.
i get obsessed like this in waves. for a few years all i really played was new vegas, past few months ive been playing wasteland 2 a lot
Spoken like a true bitch nigga
t.Kreia
>Yeah isn't that how it parallels the final days of Rome
Not really. The decline and fall of Rome was a slow and traumatic process that lasted a century. If we're at the decline, we're at the start of it.
What exacerbates the loss of influence overseas. In 100 AD the only people on Rome's borders were weak Parthians, bumfuck tribes and minor puppet kingdoms. The U.S in the late 1990s was basically unchallenged in the world. Its influence was astronomical. By 2050 that is not going to be the case.
Do you think Rome was better a republic or as an empire
I like academy shit so I can see the argument for korriban, but I'm neutral on Dantooine since its not terribly interesting in Kotor but in II it has more going on at the expense of the academy and peaceful serenity
Republic.
ME1 and ME2 were excellent games user. The third one sucked though.
I played that game to an atuistic level on the xbox. Found glitches, exploits, and mathed out that Sentinel with a certain attribute spread and Repair feat was the optimal choice
What does "better" mean? The Republic is heavily memed as being great, when it really wasn't. In the Empire you had a large section of the earth in a state of peace and local autonomy for centuries. The Republic was clusterfuck civil wars and mass-enslavement of foreign peoples.
Early 4th century Rome is best Rome.
>tfw I still have the game on disc
>tfw I want to replay it
>tfw I'm too lazy to install and patch it manually
Also acceptable choices
>jedi jesus
pure wholesome 100% good but tiered man with the weight of his past on his shoulders trying to redeem whoever he can.
Jedi master all points into force wave, Silver saber.
Train all the disciples, waifu everybody
>Sith Machivellie
Essentially count doku as his own master, being a pragmatic darkside user, no edgy for its own sake, single red saber master.
Choke bitches out.
Refuse to kill any jedi master, but remain full darkside, rub it in their faces.
This one is hard to do getting all the DS points but still get the dark ending, which i really like
Why, and do you think they should have stuck to their native religion rather than turning to Christianity? What do you think caused them to fall? How did the Germanic tribes beat them?
Finished this game yesterday with the sith restored mod, one of the best rpg's ive played for years, dont know what to play to replace it now, loved how people commented on how bad my face was looking when you go darkside.
How's the KoToR 3 project going?
Pics? Journal entries? Tweets?
The bearded character model is perfect for both of these.
But I still like the blonde haired German looking guy the best.
>Machivellie
Contrary to popular belief and 18th century scholars like Gibbon, Christianity actually served to bind Roman people to their state far more than traditional cults ever did. Rome and Christianity had become interlinked and it was impossible for them to even conceive of a Christian world that wasn't Rome.
>what do you think caused them to fall
Civil wars destroyed the Roman army in the west in the 400s-430s AD. They had to hand land over to foederati barbarian mercs to get them to fill the gaps which damaged tax base. Led to a death spiral as local powers like bishops, warlords, barbarians and tribal leaders began to seize the power as the state left a vacuum.
>How did the Germanic tribes beat them?
They didn't "beat" them. There simply wasn't a Roman army to fight by the end. They had become the army.
/his/ is good for WRE threads
The Count Dooku one sounds interesting. Never been able to go full DS in Star Wars game due to baby-stompingly Stupid Evil you always are forced to be.
>Kreia said that he fucked Onderon over so...
That's not what Kreia actually said.
She said that Vaklu's reign would be short, but Onderon will undergo a cultural Renaissance or something.
>cultural renaissance
I don't think being eaten by Nihilus would lead to that.
>Never been able to go full DS in Star Wars game due to baby-stompingly Stupid Evil you always are forced to be.
The dark side in this game has a lot more nuance than it had in the first game.
>Tfw you get to the rebuilt Jedi enclave
>It... it is different, it has been some time.
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Goddamn why must you people insist on shitting everywhere.
Anyway part of the irony is that the dark secret of the Onderonian dynasty is that they're descended from Freedon Nadd, and that ironically while having that taint of the darkside down through the generations they have generally managed to keep the peace.
Yes in other words Vaklu and Talia are BOTH direct bloodline descendants of the dark lord. But choosing Vaklu winds up destabilizing the planet and handing it over to hostile foreign interests. There is a reason why Visas, who was seeking to destroy all life, tells you both to waste everyone in the cantina civilian and soldier alike, and why she tells you side with Vaklu.
His worm of an underling running to Nihilus should tell you, that on some level siding with him is signing up for the biggest disaster and possibly annihilation of the entire biosphere by siding with Vaklu.
Generally speaking, the Sith pathway is going to somehow involve the destruction of all you held dear one way or another. It is practically an addiction to evil. Being an eviljunkie tends to have poor results for anything other than a (usually brief) tyrannical rule.
>I don't think being eaten by Nihilus would lead to that.
Vaklu turns against Nihilus if you side with him.
100% pure unadulterated kino
That's the equivalent of a newly independent Scotland declaring war on the United States.
>That's the equivalent of a newly independent Scotland declaring war on the United States.
.....you do realize that Nihilus dies before he can retaliate against Vaklu right?
That's called hindsight. Vaklu wouldn't know that Nihilus would be killed.
What non-normie tier games do you guys know of that are like kotor?
So what exactly did everyone here draw away from kotor 2?
It seems to me, a big theme of the game was about chaos theory.
Oblivion. I have walked every inch of every map from the main land to inside the paint to the dlcs. I have done every concievable action to every npc. I have the perfect path that would net me just the right amount of tools or levels for the job. I love the game. I love it even more because I met my wife by showing her it in study hall way back in high school.
Kicker is I never have modded it. I never can enjoy bethesda games modded.
Oh and skyrim a shit
KotOR 2? None I can think of. New Vegas kind of comes similar to quality, if you ask me, but it's still a very different game.
TES games solely for the lore and the attention to detail within it. The gameplay is okay but only serves as a vehicle for the lore to me.
Megaman Legends when it first came out. I spent so much time just running around Cattelox Island just jumping around every corner of the map I could find. I replay it while watching Samurai Pizza Cats for total nostalgia overdoses.
Dungeon Crawl had me coming back like a meth head for a solid year, just playing with mechanics and trying which builds I could allrune. Spriggan venom mage for life.
Godhand messing with different movesets just for fun. using janky moves just to style on the mook ass enemies was always a joy.
Me too. When i was younger. That game does something to you like it's magic.
In the second one I actually had to start pulling myself back. Also playing that way left to what kinda felt like essence loss of Shadowrun to me, where my virtual extension had become so alien to me I felt detached from the avatar eventually. But I still wanted a light side ending. I also ended up siding with Vaklu iirc which I didn't realize would create a chain reaction first forcing me to kill the one Jedi master I really didn't want to kill, and then TTK the remnants of the Council. By the time Kreia stabbed me through herself and left me to die I seriously thought I'd inadvertently got a non-standard game over. Which is weird because I can't normally force myself to go full-evil but part of why these games are so good is how it is ridiculously easy to begin that downward slide. It just should make it harder to regain LS points to emphasize how shitty your decisions have been, although it is easy to go evil by accident. Or just by being a callous dick to everybody.
Bonus points for where you just consider killing anybody an act of evil and try to play through the game with the mentality that every death is a dark side point to your soul.
Also, playing darkside female is somehow easy and fine. Probably because you already feel like being a dick to people at the start.
>So what exactly did everyone here draw away from kotor 2?
The Jedi and Sith are dicks. Kreia was right.
But she threw out her own philosophy that she taught you and became a Sith again in the end
The whole siding with Vaklu leads to Kavar dying thing is a case of Obsidian assuming the player would realise that siding with a Sith-allied anti-Republic figure and Kavar's many warnings that he would fight for the Queen would lead to shit going wrong.
>became a Sith again in the end
>Sometimes the difference between a fall and a sacrifice is difficult to see
I've been thinking about KOTOR 2 lately and I think Kreia had a solid point about the force being a negative thing more than anything else. It has a really negative aspect to it that repeatedly for probably the Star Wars Universes history has brought nothing but shit to it. Shame the Exile didn't learn a single thing from her and the reformed Jedi Order had the same issues the previous one had.
>But she threw out her own philosophy that she taught you and became a Sith again in the end
Oh user... you have failed me. Completely and utterly.
What was the point of sacrificing herself? What did this accomplish?
>What was the point of sacrificing herself? What did this accomplish?
Level grinding
That are like it? lel like none that I've played. Although in terms of feels I would say Planescape Torment is right up there for a well written story with more complex morals and philosophical viewpoints than the average game, and a bunch of memorable companions you actually give a damn about. Although in Wasteland 2, funnily enough the companions work out completely on accident to be good in the sense that you're kind of like a squad in the Fallout tier wastes and you're stuck with these people you hate but rely on each other for survival. I wanted to kill Rose in particular so badly, although just about everybody but Pistol Pete and Lexcanium irritated me on some level.
Oh, and there's VTMB I guess in terms of slightly similar look and feel and playstyle however you don't get any companions.
She achieved nothing by betraying you other than getting herself killed.
>Shame the Exile didn't learn a single thing from her and the reformed Jedi Order had the same issues the previous one had.
TOR most likely retcon that plot point. I wouldn't know since I didn't play it.
At least the prequel jedi were better than kotor jedi, they didn't sit on the sidelines with their heads in the sand while the galaxy burned.
Neverwinter nights maybe
the prequel jedi were what I were referring too. I agree they were better than the KOTOR era but I don't think it was by a lot. Plus they started to not be able to use the force as well, but that was more so Palpatine's fault
I'll sum up the ending for you.
Kreia never really fell. She was playing Darth Traya, as an act. She used you to gather the Council together so she could kill them and erase their mistakes. She had you kill Atris, who she used to get you to go to Malachor. You killed Nihilus. She has you wipe out the entire Trayus Academy, the malignant cancer that had turned thousands of Jedi and been where Sion murdered countless more with his assassins. She has you kill Sion. As her final test for you she battles you. When you kill her she is happy. Her goal was never to destroy the Force, to be a Sith or anything like that. Her goal was to destroy the Jedi, the Sith and wipe the slate clean. Kreia wanted her teachings to be proven right. She wanted everyone to know that she wasn't the reason Revan fell, and that Revan had never really fallen. With your training finally complete, you are free to found a new Jedi Order uncorrupted by the old Council's bullshit. More importantly, you are free to follow Revan into the Unknown Regions and take the fight to the True Sith.
Kreia did nothing wrong.
It's really weird trying to replay a game I haven't touched in over a decade.
It seems familiar but at the same time I can't remember shit.
I think it was I also forgot the Jedi are not reasonable people you can talk things through like I try in most RPGs but are instead trigger happy faggots with a fondness for extrajudicial killings because they're heretics an sheeit.
I was just offended that I got forced into fighting him when he was the one and only member of the Council I was cool with. But again this is your brain on evil. It kind of emphasizes the point that good intentions as you call them still lead pretty quickly to making choices that put you in a position to end up destroying all you loved and cherished and betraying what you upheld.
>She used you to gather the Council together so she could kill them and erase their mistakes.
Kreia actually never intended to kill the Jedi Council. The greater victory would be defeating them philosophically.
>She had you kill Atris
In many ways, Atris isn't dissimilar to the path Kreia herself took. But a Jedi order built by Atris's teachings was doomed to be corrupted by the dark side.