Just finished MGS4 for the first time and holy shit that was probably one of the worst gaming experience ever.
>about 15 hours long but only about 6 hours of gameplay >EVERY fucking cutscene is stupidly long for no reason with people repeating the same shit over and over and every event being shown for way too long to the point every normal person will think "OK WE GET IT, THAT HAPPENED, CAN I PLAY NOW PLEASE?" >EVERY fucking dialog sounds like people talking to retards (especially Otacon) >stupid shit like 30min cutscenes followed by 15sec of gameplay leading to ANOTHER FUCKING CUTSCENE all the freakin time >clichés as fuck sidestories nobody cares about >main story is a complete mess
Is Kojima autistic or what? The gameplay parts are good but there's so little and everything else is so fucking bad and frustrating. I don't even understand how shit like this can get released.
kojima wanted to murder MGS4 but it somehow didnt work and we got an even worse game after it. 2 of them.
Robert Edwards
im retarded, meant the whole MGS series not just MGS4
Kayden Roberts
S4 was so bad I can't even tell if you're joking or not.
Jose Taylor
>about 15 hours long but only about 6 hours of gameplay
This is every MGS you fag, why did you play it if you don't like.
Samuel Rodriguez
i genuinely believe he made MGS4 terrible on purpose or just didnt care anymore. theres no way the first 3 games were as good as they were then this happened. people say its because the co writer stopped working on the series but im not sure
Jason Torres
At least it's better than MGS3, the worst numbered game in the series.
Matthew Wright
No it's not you dumbass.
Hudson Jenkins
Wow that's some terrible opinion.
Blake Mitchell
the game is old as fuck who cares. the best part of MGS4 was MGO2. and Konami killed it.
I mean, you can definitely still play it today easily bur irs no longer noob friendly and I love it.
Grayson Price
One wonders what kind of iron clad contract Konami had on Kojima to make a purposefully bad game followed by a purposefully unfinished game.
Robert Sanders
and the most amazing thing is that people still think 5 was the worst
Reminder that despite there being so little gameplay, the gameplay the game does have is the absolute best in the series.
Henry Smith
Funny how you accurately describe MGS2 as well. Such an overrated franchise.
Andrew Ramirez
What's the current status of the franchise? Could Konami legally release a MGS6 with Kojima gone?
Logan Mitchell
it's not Kojima's game.
they cant release Metal Gear Racing or Metal Gear Golf
Angel Collins
What? If it isn't Kojima's game, why wouldn't Konami be able to release more MG?
Mason Carter
i meant CAN.
you knew that
Julian Richardson
>EVERY fucking cutscene is stupidly long for no reason with people repeating the same shit over and over and every event being shown for way too long to the point every normal person will think This is exactly how I thought playing MGS3 which is apparently the good one. Why people acclaim Kojima's writing is beyond me because it is fucking abysmal. Every line of dialogue reads like someone who has absolutely no understanding about shit like the Cold War or any other global event that I was just shocked people could possibly consider him a visionary. Fucking Metal Gear Rising was better written and that's supposed to be the most stupid one. Genuinely felt like I was playing something written by a 13 year old Japanese exchange student with barely even a tenuous grasp of English.
James Ortiz
You could have meant Konami instead of Kojima so no, I didn't.
Aaron Torres
Metal Gear Medic
Isaac Evans
I just think many played MGS1 and 2 at an early age and were easily impressed. The story is abysmal, utterly retarded, but the games are often funny (both intentionally and unintentionally) and the characters are kind of endearing.
Nolan Bell
No sniper wolf No gray fox No big boss No final battle No boss fights Le zombies This game was shit from the start and it was kojima fault
Aiden Walker
Kojimbo just wants to make movies. He couldn't make it into Hollywood so he uses vidya instead.
Connor Johnson
>Is Kojima autistic No, he's a hack fraud.
Tomokazu Fukushima was the genius behind MGS2+3.
Thomas Martinez
those user are right MGS never changed you just go smarter
Gavin Smith
>the best part of MGS4 was MGO2
Oh yeah, but only if you like >auto aim in "competitive" games >lag switching to the wazoo >"stealth" (*)
>about 15 hours long but only about 6 hours of gameplay so just like in MGS2? >EVERY fucking cutscene is stupidly long for no reason with people repeating the same shit over and over and every event being shown for way too long to the point every normal person will think "OK WE GET IT, THAT HAPPENED, CAN I PLAY NOW PLEASE?" So just like in MGS2? >EVERY fucking dialog sounds like people talking to retards (especially Otacon) So just like in MGS2? >stupid shit like 30min cutscenes followed by 15sec of gameplay leading to ANOTHER FUCKING CUTSCENE all the freakin time So EXACTLY like MGS2? >clichés as fuck sidestories nobody cares about So exactly like MGS2? >main story is a complete mess You just described MGS2. Not 4.
Michael Rodriguez
Kojima was depressed as fuck during MGS3 and 4's productions, but with 4 he just stopped caring since the team kept rejecting his ideas to make it something unique (Snake and Otacon going nuclear then handing themselves over to the government after getting a bunch of civilians killed and being executed in the end, the team were the reason Big Boss came back and why the Patriots were beaten completely in an asspull when 2 established you can't beat them without tearing America apart etc). 4 was literally just depressed Kojima giving into his hack side because no one but him wanted him to try something new and just do the same thing. He actively tried with 5 but he was way too fucking ambitious on that one.
James Anderson
>You just described MGS2. Not 4. No, he didn't fucking mong.
Metal Poo Solid 4's longest cutscene is over a fucking hour long. Show me a similar cutscene in MGS2. Pro-Tip: you can't.
James Diaz
>>EVERY fucking dialog sounds like people talking to retards Well yeah, it's a game made for people too retarded to see that MGS2 was meant to be the end of the series. Gotta slowly explain literally everything so they can keep up.
Hunter Rivera
>Metal Poo Solid 4's longest cutscene is over a fucking hour long. So? At least they're ANIMATED, unlike most shit in MGS2.
>Show me a similar cutscene in MGS2. Coincidentally, I just started a replay of 2 last week. Not only have I been sitting through 30 minutes worth of cutscenes after 20 seconds of gameplay, there's also been 10-15 minute Codec conversations in between. That counts up into over an hour in the end, and is fucking annoying.
Wyatt Richardson
>Kojima wanted something new Kojima had control over games he was making yet it was of course not his fault that he didn't do anything new, just being pretentious hack who turn games into melodrammatic soap opera with unecessary long cutscenes, yet there's still pathethic Kojima drones who's trying to justify this faggot. Simply pathethic.
Carter Sanchez
It's a satire of modern videogames.
Nathaniel King
>too fucking ambitious top kek
Yeah, he was so fucking ambitious that the stupid thing: >has no proper boss fights >has copy+paste "missions" >instead of difficulty settings you simply have to beat basically the same missions multiple times >has long waiting time and forced cutscenes >is an unfinished piece of shit >has no actual Snake voice >was designed for CoD + GTA players >has "stealth" >let's you "earn" S-ranks even when killing people (wow, so much "stealth") >has fucking regen health >slows down for 5 seconds when you are seen >has enemy AI that is simply totally retarded >has characters so retarded it's not even funny >has a story so retarded it's not even funny etc.
>too ambitious Fuck this game And fuck this hack fraud
Nathaniel Edwards
I'm not trying to justify his actions mate, it's still on him that he gave in to his team's demands and put out literal fan fiction tripe, I'm just explaining it.
Nicholas Evans
well to answer your question.
i don't know, probably. you would have to get his medical records.
Dylan Morales
All mgs had incredibly long cvutscenes and shittons of dialogue, complaining about this shit to begin with is retarded, it's like no one ever played previous games. MGS 2 also had more codec talk then actual gameplay.
Christian King
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Aaron Turner
>IT EVEN RAINED ON THE DAY I WAS BORN >No, you were the lightning in that rain
I can't believe anyone over the age of 14 honestly thought that was remotely passable dialogue.
Mason Robinson
Sweetie, codec conversations were a classic Metal Gear thing. And almost all of them were not forced at all. Sometimes the codec beeps, simply don't answer it. Done.
You know tranqing Emma and then lying down on her and calling Otacon. Now that was funny shit and made the characters also feel alive. Almost all of that was dropped for Metal Poo Solid 4, despite being on blu-ray and even including Sony marketing about that fact.
But sure, you need proper writing for that. And MGS2 had Tomokazu Fukushima. Metal Poo Solid 4 only had the Kojimbo hack fraud.
Benjamin Thompson
Kojima wants to make movies but his writing is so bad it's only suitable for a video game.
Jacob Gutierrez
>MGS 2 also had more codec talk then actual gameplay. If you answer and call via codec all the time, fucking autist.
>incredibly long cvutscenes Nothing beats single 70 minute cutscene in Metal Poo Solid 4. That was the fucking point and also the fucking point of OP.
Nolan Carter
>Your opinion is so irrelevant, that I replied. You lose.
Kevin Powell
>Metal Poo Solid 4 Damn MGS4 and Kojima BTFO for all time They will never recover
Aiden Green
You shoulda played it while it was new OP the multiplayer is some of the greatest shit you'll ever play
Robert Moore
>EVERY fucking dialog sounds like people talking to retards (especially Otacon)
That's an issue with the dub as a whole, not just the codecs. It looks like they were either directed like crap or they had arbitrary lenghts for their lines, and instead of properly localizing the script to take up the unused time they just stretched the linea to the point it becomes unsettling.
Playing it in Japanese is a far better experience.
Daniel Hill
>get older >realize your favorite game anime is utter shit made by a literal retard and only literal retards still think it's the best thing ever NGE
Wyatt Brooks
>implying somebody won
Jordan Morgan
inb4 but but but that was totally bad translation. Kojimo
Ryder Jones
OP won. Pro-Tip: I'm not OP though.
Colton Watson
>don't answer the codec And still get the huge amount of cutscenes which you can't even skip. >nothing beats Pls, mgs 4 is just a step ahead of what MGS2 was.
Nathaniel Brown
>Sweetie, codec conversations were a classic Metal Gear thing. But MGS2 literally did this Cutscene starts -> "let's talk in Codec, it's safer!" -thing, which it repeats ad infinitum. No chance to say no, no need to answer, it literally works as a cutscene.
Xavier Lee
4's literally a deconstruction of the series you fucking tard
Juan Cook
>>main story is a complete mess
that's happens when you try to tie up every loose end in the series.
and to be honest, 2 had several loose ends that needed to be resolved but 4 dragged 3 into that mess.
Ian Lewis
that's not even true. Chapters 3 onward are completely irredeemable and even the good parts from the first two pale in comparison to the best parts of MGS3
Brayden Lewis
>Chapters 3 onward are completely irredeemable
some parts of chapter 4 were good
Cooper Cook
They fired Blaustein after MGS 1 and switched to making literal translations in house with computer software.
Jeremy wasn't perfect, but at least he was a live, native English speaker. Compare the MGS 1 dialogue with the Twin Snakes remake and then Fortune's god awful retarded shitfits in MGS 2.
Caleb Miller
>still trying
Lucas Robinson
In short, that's why it devolved. Zimmerman is only responsible for having Hayter ham it up.
Ian Ward
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Andrew Ross
That's probably what happened. MGS 4 and 5 are the only ones where I was instantly more fond of the Japanese dub.
Nicholas Davis
Do your own homework
Benjamin Hernandez
You're an idiot
Connor Reyes
MGS4 single-handedly killed the MG series and almost every anime series for me.
Hudson Robinson
>PW that high
Great taste
Gabriel Price
MGS4 was a mess.
but it improved Raiden and gave us closure to MGS2 o I can't hate it that much
Luke Gonzalez
He's just never written a good mgs story or done the characters justice without the cowriter who fucked off after 3. Kojima can absolutely design a game but he's a hack writer without major support.
Jackson Bennett
low standards
Jayden Perry
No dude mgs2 had more gameplay and a much better story
Jonathan Adams
>and a much better story
the mess at the end says otherwise
Carter Gray
No dude those cutscenes are objectively shit and could have been improved literally just by removing dead air most of the time
Asher Richardson
>Kojima can absolutely design a game
I feel like Kojima takes a lot of credit from his team.
Juan Reed
I can't believe anyone over the age of 14 takes video games this seriously
Gavin Miller
>people say it's because the co writer stopped helping but I'm not sure >I'm not sure
Are you retarded?
Jacob Edwards
Well, so is two.
V does it the best anyway
Tyler Rivera
Yeah but that wasn't Kojima's fault
Aaron Rodriguez
What was wrong with the ending?
Nathan Cruz
Right it's not because Kojima was uninvolved with production early on and was brought in to attempt to save the game or anything, no the b-writer not being there was a much greater influence.....
Adrian Russell
>Yeah but that wasn't Kojima's fault
I'm pretty sure he approved of all the stuff in MGS4.
everything about Arsenal Gear. Everything was okay up to that point and then the game suddenly took a trip to crazy town and never returned.
It felt like I was suddenly in a different game with how quickly everything changed for the worse.
Not to mention the two boss battles were not great. With the Rays you had to find a rhythm when fighting the 6 of them and if you got out of rhythm you got fucked up. Solidus forced you to use the sword and it's controls were shit.
Lincoln Ross
OFFICIAL RANKING >gameplay 3>V>2>4>PW>1 >story V>2>3>1>PW>4
Jack Price
>I'm pretty sure he approved of all the stuff in MGS4.
And I'm pretty sure you have no ideas how video games are made, let alone this one
Josiah Anderson
>Everything was okay up to that point and then the game suddenly took a trip to crazy town and never returned.
Not an argument
Gavin Perez
What the fuck are you talking about? Kojima had full reign on the every MGS game after mgs3, save MGS:PO.
This is whu MGS4, MGS:PW, and MGSV have a plot that seems to be written by a fucking retarded toddler. (even more so than the rest)
Julian Miller
Dude what are you doing
Logan Gomez
>Right it's not because Kojima was uninvolved with production early on and was brought in to attempt to save the game or anything
I think every game from 2 onwards there's bullshit story about how the game is not doing well before Kojima shows up and shows them how everything is done. Kojima likes to suck his own dick a lot.
Jackson Jenkins
No he didn't want to do 4 and wasn't originally attached until either the fan pressure got to him or konami forced it
Cameron Wright
You think that but you're wrong
Jordan Nguyen
He didn't want to do it but he was definitely involved the entire time.
And even if what you're trying to sell is true, that doesn't explain the shitshow that is PW and V.
Levi Cox
>until either the fan pressure got to him or konami forced it You actually believe that shit?
Nathaniel Bailey
Sure as a consultant or something.
Ethan Edwards
there are morons that still believe that 2 was left unresolved on purpose
Alexander Edwards
you talking about the same game here, faggot? Big boss was at the end of MGS 4 It did have a final fight It had awesome boss fights and it's been a while but I don't remember fucking zombies Are you thinking of MGSV?
Wyatt Bell
Yes because I was actually alive when it was being developed