B-b-but the have different moves!

>B-b-but the have different moves!
Fuck off with this. It should just be a fucking skin with different Ultimate

We got more autistic SSJ shit instead of Base form Namek Goku and Scouter/ Namek Vegeta

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>these clones of characters are bad
>I wanted THESE versions of these characters instead that totally wouldn't end up just like these

You're lucky we got different movesets on them at all and they're making them functionally different characters period and you're still bitching? They're in the game, and not going away. Deal with it.

i dont care anymore, I just didn't want it because I was worried it would remove slots for the characters I wanted but now that there all in fuck it let the super babbies have their hair color of the month transformation to get them to shut up

>we took their hair
>and turned it blue
I can't believe Adults actually watch this dreck still. Maybe the game will be good, but fuck, past the age of 15 I can't stomach this generic garbage.

I only care about my wife. (Pic related.)

>tfw no early Z Goku with Kaioken install super
>no early Z Vegeta and Gohan with Oozaru transform supers
reeee

As much shit as GT gets, I still think SS4 was a better route than this god thing.

They got this, but this wont wont shut them up. They still want Caulifla Hit, Beeres Black Jirn Kabba Kale

Because Super Saiyans are fucking boring.

You know that when assets gets reused to that extent, it's not really taking up so much space that it "wastes a slot". So really, who cares.

YAMCHAD

>those hips on that spectator
oh fuck yes

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Late Dragon ball early Z goku is what I wanted.

SSJ4 Gogeta Kamehameha X100 was the fucking shit in Tenkaichi

>we took their hair
>and made it gold
I can play this game too buddy. DBZ's been doing this for a while, your just gonna have to deal with it. That said I'll agree that SSB is boring as hell and can't wait for the next big thing that's trying something different. Honestly is the one thing I want above everything else.

saiyan's hair is not blue! I have contacted BIRD STUDIO / SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION and Commented NUMEROUSLY with MONTHS worth of time. They ignored me, Not Responded or Done Anything about it at all, and therefore the time for Talk IS LONG DONE AND OVERWITH!!! AND WE NEED ACTION NOW MORE THAN EVER

Just dont make them a slot then!!
I know Naruto Storm is trash and has like 6 slots for Naruto BUT some of the slots hold multiple movesets depending on the costume you chose.

Slots don't work that way. This is reusing assets to give us more characters with brand new normals and supers. We'd just get nothing in their place. I don't like Super but there's zero harm with getting characters from it, DB, GT or the goddamn movies so long as they add something good to the game.

Maybe you need to watch a different show, cuz it's been about super saiyans for like 20 years.

>this generic garbage

This series is what made it what shonen anime is today. How can it be generic? Generic compared to what? The stuff other series were inspired from this?

The Blues are functionally very different characters. It goes beyond the few changes you get from the example you gave.

>not wanting hit
More of a unique moveset potential than over half the confirmed cast, super shit or not.

Plus counter focused characters are fun

I wonder if there's a CWC of Dragonball out there shitting his pants over this for real.

I seriously doubt we're getting ANYTHING GT related, at least at launch.
Speaking of Launch fucking never

They already said they don't take up slots though

They are basically "gold" versions of them like gg

More like

>I took his hair
>spiked it
>and made it not black because I was tired of painting it
>[laughs]

Even then, Super Saiyan had its own properties. Blue is a literal recolor.

Honestly, I'd have rather just has SSB be a transformation, as opposed to different characters. The only people I can think of that I want to see multiple versions of are Gohan for his adult form, Kid Buu, and kid Goku.

Back view? Did they give Lunch her glorious ass? 'cause you can stick big tits on whatever but her ass is canonically great.

>This series is what made it what shonen anime is today.

Repetitive slog of "I got a power up hurrrr" for over 300 episodes? Why are you being proud of that?

Kind of wish there was transformations like in the 3d games: You could start is base form and spend meter to transform, in addition to what you could normally spend meter on. It'd add a whole new level of depth to the game, reward meter control, and be more true to the original series this way.

I'm sure they had their reasons, and I have no issue with Saiyan Blue being their own characters, but I'm still disappointed that this is the route they're going.

I'm mad as fuck they didn't use his Yamcha pose in the story teaser when they show him on the ground.

People wanna cry about shit without bothering to look it up or think critically.

>muh slots
I know people like to blame clone characters for why *THEIR FAVORITE CHARACTER* didn't get in but if they didn't get in they were never getting in the game anyway.
Also I'm not saying that blue Goku and Vegimite are clones.

>past the age of 15 I can't stomach this generic garbage.


You are under the impression that DBS is basically the same as DBZ.

But you are right that DBS is more childish.

The only way to watch it to not take it too seriously.

>blue is a re color

Confirmed for never seeing or reading dragon ball super.

Hey now, despite it being shonen shit, Vegeta had a lot of well-done character development.

I don't know user, you tell me.

I can see why people want this but it'd fuck up the tiers hardcore. It'd shit all over the characters that can't transform and would limit options. Plus, what do you do for someone like Goku? Kaioken has several multipliers. But let's say we go with Kaioken X20 as the default. Then you have Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan God (potentially,) and Super Saiyan Blue.

who is this testicle receptacle?

Oh, I'm sorry. It's totally different because god ki. What's god ki, you ask? Toriyama hasn't decided yet. [laughs]

Oh, oh, blue was about perfect ki control too, but that got retconed right after being the entire point of the last movie. [laughs]

Read Dragon Ball

Yeah. Her legs and ass aren't as nice as they are canonically. If they decreased the bust size and put all that "meat" on her legs and torso she'd be golden for me. Lunch is my favorite DB girl, thanks for posting.

OH FUCK!!

Gohan's 3+2 overpowers Cell's level 3 even if it hits first.

It's a martial art action anime....the fuck were you expecting? No seriously, what exactly?

It's ironic you shit on it, yet is in a thread about it. Furthermore, you're on a board about "hurrr press da buttons and save the world for the 1,000th time" is hilarious and hypocrisy at it's finest.

But no please, do continue.

Seriously I was 100% expecting that and I was legit disappointed

Why can't the humans turn into, well, Super Humans? Or do the God shit to get that massive power spike?

>They already said they don't take up slots though
But they do, they even have their own separate character slots on the main website.

WHEN

Because Toriyama is a hack

They even said that you can have SS Goku and SSB Goku on the same team, they aren't the same slot.

He means slots as in "we aren't putting in the blues over other characters"

Videogames have a tendency for canon power level and actual in-game ability to be vastly different. In street fighter, Akuma/Oni has reached a level of Satsui no Hado comparable to super saiyan 2, and he's only mid tier. You could give the characters that can't transform more of a power level shift than an actual transformation, or give them something to make up for the lack of a transformation.

But yeah, as possible as I'm sure it is, it would not be easy to balance, so I guess they just said fuck that.

It completely makes super saiyan 2 and 3 pointless in comparison. It's perfecting it, like any other martial art thing. I'm sorry they wanted to do something about it in that direction?

By the way, toriyama doesn't do dragon ball super, someone else is doing the manga and show that toriyama approved

The only reason character progressively transform through a fight in the animu/mango is because they want to draw out the narrative and pull the "I was only hiding my REAL power" thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. To put it in the game would just be fanwankery rather than a good mechanic.

Now, fanwankery is important in a game like this, but ArcSys knows damn well how to make good fightan and realizes what's more important. And what's more important is making sure the players aren't ever taken out of the action. Same reason they chose not to implement beam clashes. Nobody wants to stop the fight and watch the fanwankery. You can wank before the fight, and you can wank after it, but the middle, you need to keep your hand on the buttons rather than your dick.

I mean they can, like Yamcha and Krillin can fly and use kai/ shoot beams out their hands. That's pretty super human. Just gotta train a shit ton

She doesn't even have a discernible moveset yet.

But they are because it take time and resources to make said characters instead of focusing on other characters. How does it not take up slots? That makes no sense.

>yfw best brother gets in over Caulifa
> and he gets an entire What if story where he turns ssj-ssb and murders everyone in the galaxy only to fight Beerus himself and become the new god of destruction

You mean his editors....

Arcsys already made up like half of 16s moveset they can make a character out of her already

>tori can do no wrong
Fuck off.

Because they reuse their models so in essence they take about 1/3rd less time to make original. The animations and movesets are all they needed and that takes a lot less time than making entirely new models. Think like Dark Pit or Dr. Mario except with some more effort put into them.

>How does it not take up slots?
It doesn't take up slots because they have made very clear that any character that was planned to be in the game is going to be in. The blues have not shoved any other character out of the roster.
Basically, the rest of the roster would look the same regardless of if the blues are there or not.

Toriyama didn't care to elevate them. Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Yamucha learned nothing from Kaio while "training" with him. Not even a pitiful X2 Kaioken.
They're kind of adhering to power levels as best they can for this game while making it fun and diverse. It's part of why it's a 3v3. You wouldn't see a Kuririn beating a Cell in a 1v1 where both players had magically equal ability in this game for example. I think they just ran into the hurdle of having too much to animate, with the transformations taking away from overall playability for the characters. Additionally, and perhaps most importantly, they do want the casual audience. It may be something for the sequel.

That's quite a nice wife.

I don't think it was.

Humans are better at developing superior ki attacks that allow them to stand temporarily against much stronger foes
>destructo disk
>tri beam
>solar flare
>roshi's tricky shit
as examples. However if the fight escalates into a power struggle humans get btfo. They are best in short engagements where they can surprise and quickly deal with their opponent.

>You mean his editors....
No, I mean Toriyama. It wasn't his editors that made the humans useless, it wasn't his editors that decided the only two characters that get to do anything are Goku and Vegeta, and it wasn't them that forgot that Launch existed.

DONT

CALL

ANYBODY

No where did I say that. But if you think a writer/artist doesn't have to go through several reworked things because of their editors and publishers you're either a child, or have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

This is fair, but his made up moves are based on how he canonically fought and his supers. Caulifla really hasn't done any attacks that are iconic/reference worthy yet onscreen, while Kale does and she by design could get away with stealing Broly's moveset.

Perfecting what? And how? All we were shown was a hasty damage control in response to God's rejection. We didn't even get to see either Goku or Vegeta reaching it, let alone Vegeta making to God. It's Kamen Rider tier merchandising, clear as day.

And yes, Toriyama writes the basic plot of Super, Toei and Toyotaro come up with the rest. Everything that matches in both medias was Toriyama.

If anything, Super is showing us the editors were the only thing keeping Dragon Ball together. Reminder we only got 17, 18 and Cell because of them and the Android saga was originally about Gero and Kim Jong-un.

But they aren't 100% clones. They also have to alter the models at least somewhat and give them new moves, it still eats time and resources that could have been put towards other characters. It sounds like you just fell for marketing speech like an idiot.

They also could have had the same number of characters in the roster but instead of just adding another Goku and another Vegeta they could have spent said time working on different characters. They 100% waste slots by including SSB Goku and Vegeta and anyone who actually tries saying they don't is an idiot. I 100% agree with anyone who thinks they could have just been an alternate hair color pick for those two.

You do realize that they were only dead for like a week canonically right?

vegeta what does the scouter say about his power level

Goku has never developed a move of his own, has he? All his moves are techniques he learned from others.

>kamen rider merchandise

I'm not seeing the problem here. Geek comment aside, dragon ball is for children...of course it's going to market to them captain obvious. It's literally been published in a magazine called "shonen jump" for fucks sake.

>alter the models at least somewhat and give them new moves

Which is what I said,yes. The only major changes on them are the hair and their outfits, both of which are extremely easy patch jobs since it's a simple recolor for the hair and some edits for the body. And I mentioned the new moves, that's more a creative budget than a physical one. Most of the "time and resources" for creating a character in a fighting game would be making functioning models to implement the ideas and that is already done for them.
>marketing speech
Bitch I haven't even seen the announcement where this came from and I can put two and two together to how this works. These characters cost barely anything to make and were there to ease people into the Super content we're probably getting later.

Whatever happened to the Dodonpa technique? I recall Roshi saying it was superior to the Kamehameha, yet it barely saw any use.

Dragon Fist is his technique innit

He came up with Full Power Super Saiyan, I guess.

You're not seeing the problem with recolors? Yeah, okay. Have fun with your belts.

Toriyama literally only remembers Tien's most iconic technique that he used on Cell, so...
Not canonically.

>The only major changes on them are the hair and their outfits
Are you dumb? They have to animate completely new moves for them.
>Bitch I haven't even seen the announcement where this came from and I can put two and two together to how this works.
You clearly don't. You probably also don't even know how they end up making all these characters so you think it's as easy as throwing the models in photoshop once then calling it a day. making characters in this game is time consuming due to how all the characters function. SSB is 100% a waste of a slot and if you think it isn't you really are a dumb ape. Maybe you should go learn how ASW makes these games like DBFZ and GG.

Hey! That's MY wife!
Good taste mang.

Goku fired a kamehameha through his feet.

He used his tail as a helicopter to not be knocked out of a ring before flying was a thing.

His "jaken" moves were his in dragon ball

He also is the only one to use super saiyan and kaioken at the same time.

Also just because his moves aren't his own doesn't mean anything. If it ain't broke why fix it?

I believe it's much faster and more versatile, but weaker.
I chalk it up to either Toriyama forgetting about it, or the fact that every character stands around like a slack jawed idiot whenever people power up, transform etc. so that the lack of speed in a technique was no longer an issue.

>These characters cost barely anything to make
Do you not know how these games work? every character is altered on a frame by frame basis to make them look, feel, and move the way they do. It takes time. Not even him but you sound really stupid, especially since you basically admitted to not knowing anything about how the devs make the game yet you're trying to argue that it's not time consuming.

All the best parts of DBZ were where Goku was MIA
Z Fighters Vs. Nappa
Namek before Goku shows up
Cell Saga before Goku shows up
fuck Goku desu lads

I literally don't see the problem, how else show mastery over your ki visually? Why are you being such a sour bitch about it?

Man Tien was a faggot.

What triggers me is the fact that the SSB Goku and Vegeta have their old training clothes on instead of the one they actually wear once they train with Whis to unlock SSB.

Oversight, or do they actually go back to their regular clothing later on? I haven't gotten that far beyond the Universe 6 part yet.

There's literally nothing to it but the color change. It's not even mastery, that got retconed.

The latter, nips don't like the new clothes even though the dark spandex looks good on Vegeta

Oh look, it's wannabe Bayonetta.

>These characters cost barely anything to make
The way the engine works the effort that they have to put in is nearly identical to any other character.

I always found the darker clothes to be better and more sensible considering how they get a totally blue aura around them, which makes the blue clothes look pretty awkward. I wish the devs went with actual canon to make them more distinguished instead of just pandering to their fellow nips.

They look nothing alike.

As of right now in the japanese dub, the new clothes were ditched entirely save for Vegeta's that is rarely seen. In the manga, Vegeta wears it in battle now...unless I'm remembering incorrectly, someone can call me a retard.

Penetrate is canon tho, he used it on King Piccolo and some RR jobberbots

What are you going on about?

Actually Yamcha was dead for about a third to a half a year on King Kais planet. Tien and Chaotzu there twice as long. There is seriously no excuse for them not learning Kaio Ken or spirit bomb.

Imagine them with that shit fighting the androids and holding their own even for a brief period while supped up in Kaio x10. Would make the fights way more interesting. Or them all collectively helping Goku make a massive Spirt Ball to take out Buu.

We missed out on so much potential because Toriyama is retarded and has Alzheimer's.

I'm so used to people meaning what he used on Hirudegarn that I actually forgot about that move.