ITT we discuss the implications of artificial intelligence on the future of video games, It is a very real possibility that we will see AI within our lifetimes who are indistinguishable from humans in terms of personality and thought.
Examples:
>RPGs where you reply to situations however you want instead of choosing a reply from a list.
>Your NPC companions react to you as real people would.
>Grand strategy games where your nations/underlings behave realistically in situations that you create.
I just want my waifu to be real.
You coming fresh off the same mixture of /tg/, /u/ and /d/ threads I am?
>Game where the story writes itself as you go along, with narrative twists and turns created by the AI on the fly, no two playthroughs are the same.
>Entire worlds simulated down to the most minute details.
Honestly can't wait for a game that acknowledges that Hitler did nothing wrong and understands that drugs are dope as fuck.
I fear what our first sentient AIs will be like.
>using human level intelligence as NPCs
i dunno it'd make me really uncomfortable
just cause they're intelligent doesn't mean they aren't programmed to put up with your shit and like you.
Which is probably really dangerous actually, will there be a generation of kids who think they are smart/funny because video game NPCs tell them they are?
>bad guy becomes self-aware and realizes he doesn't want to lose just because his HP ran out
>reprograms every other game installed so that he rules all the game worlds
>appears on desktop and mocks you
>try to format computer
>he sends a copy of himself to every other device in the area
>begins plotting how to take over the real world
>have to digitize your mind and work with your favorite video game characters to take down the final boss
Like the current generation ?
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Why not put this technology on a PCI card?
>It is a very real possibility that we will see AI within our lifetimes who are indistinguishable from humans in terms of personality and thought
I'm planning on going to college for a computer science and artificial intelligence degree in the next two years once I'm done with community college. I was wondering if Sup Forums can suggest any good starting places for researching computer A.I.
I was also wondering what topics related to artificial intelligence interests Sup Forums the most. Obviously, the philosophy of A.I. as a whole is an interesting topic, but I'm asking for more specific and detailed topics. For example, the way that A.I. can learn through conversations like the Tay Bot interests me immensely.
every time you do a captcha on this site you are teaching google to recognise things in images, it's already pretty good, soon it will be better than you.
>I'm planning on going to college for a computer science and artificial intelligence degree
just go to the introductory class on AI/neural networks, you'll at least get pointed in the right direction to learn more.
in Australia at least, there is a ton of people doing machine learning stuff coming out of universities.
This.
Imagine an AI that adapts intelligently to your specific playstyle and not only changes tactics, but actually invents new and unique enemies with the specific purpose of bringing you down.
You play as a mage? No problem, AI develops an enemy capable of deploying proximity based pylons that suppress magic abilities.
Switch it up and start playing hard charisma? That's fine, AI introduces bottlenecks with enemies who are nearly impossible to charm.
Oh you wanna change up your tactics and suddenly you play all sneaky beaky like? AI changes to include not only more enemies, but arranges them so that their fields of vision overlap and they don't just give up because they haven't seen you for 30 seconds.
Now you're gonna try to vary your strategy using all 3 at different times? AI starts releasing enemies with all 3 of these abilities, forcing a hard counter and making you change again.
you aren't going to see AI that can converse on a convincingly human level in your lifetime, if ever
mgs5 does that
>we get to westworld levels of AI
>we stop them from going rouge by making them secretly enjoy getting the shit beat out of them
do you really believe that? look how far we've come in 10 years, the biggest companies in the world are investing in context aware speech. it'll only be a matter of time.
I wouldn't mind playing with AI in MMOs as long as the player experience comes first.
>Go to the blacksmith
>He asks me how my raid went
>He reminds me of where some good drops are or tells me how to improve my technique
>Add him to my friends list and message him when I'm offline
>look how far we've come in 10 years
the only advancement made in the last 10 years of AI is deep learning, and that's not even really an AI thing, it's a big data thing, because now everyone can collect data on everything you do on the internet. Nobody in the general public has a fucking clue what AI is and how it works
does anyone know of any online colleges which offer an accredited A.I. class. Not a whole degree, just a single course.
Context aware speech is not the same as pretending to be a human, chatbots have been around for more than a decade. Sure, they are more sophisticated now due to advances in neural networks and giant sample sizes, but cleverbot is still convincingly a bot. It may fool some people who are extremely far from technology, but that would be cheating with samples. While AI sure as hell is doing an extreme progress as of late, a lot of it has to do with perfoming very specific tasks. In order for AI to fool a human it needs to understand language, context and behaviours, something AI are extremely bad at. And with understanding these we are not just talking about a chinese room chatbot anymore, we are, arguably, talking about a conscious being.
True, although I don't think it will be long before natural language generation and all the other language analysis stuff will be able to at least fool people into believing they are talking to something sentient, even if it's not.
What's your baseline? The heart of AI is problem solving so if you're just starting out you should probably take an in-depth look at some relatively simple instances of algorithmic problem-solving, e.g list sorting, travelling salesman, pathfinding etc. and having a go at implementing them yourself to get a handle on just how many ways there are of achieving the same goal and why some are more efficient than others. Then take a look at some well-established maching learning techniques like decision tree learning, artificial neural nets and genetic algorithms.
What's your point. Computers are much better than me at chess and have been for a couple of decades, but there's still no such thing as a general problem solver that can outperform even a toddler, let alone an adult. In fact I'd say the best general problem solvers aren't even on par with small animals like mice. AI tailored to very specific domains can perform extremely well, however.
it already can within specific contexts, but being able to type absolutely anything and have it react realistically is not even close to possible
Just play D&D with some other autists.
AI doesn't exist
The closet thing we have to AI is just a very complex scripted NPC, one that has reactions to as many variables as you can throw at it. One could argue that we all are just "scripted" people, following doctrines that we were taught and reacting to our biological urges. You could script a robot to follow rulesets and actively make efforts to care about its well-being by making "fear of not existing anymore" a motivator. But I like to think human intelligence is more complex than that.
I'd like to be able to be able in some future games.
for all intensive purposes it's close enough.
>human intelligence
no need to differentiate humans from other mammals. elephants are more intelligent than humans anyhow.
it would help total war and mountain blayde games a lot or make them look even better
its not much but would be a clear improvement
>elephants are more intelligent than humans
well they're certainly more intelligent than you
>AI doesn't exist
Well that's patently false. Intelligent behaviour is just responding appropriately to the enviroment. Even organisms with relatively primitive information processing capacity behave intelligently, like avoiding noxious stimulus.
you could put a temperature sensor onto a robot and if the temperature exceeds acceptable threshold you could program the robot to then move in the opposite direction of the heat source.
That isn't the same as the natural response that you or any animal has if you touched a hot frying pan.
bruh
your nerves at the tip of the fingers are literally temperature and pain sensors
Jokes on them, I intentionally fuck them up
Any good example in fighting games? In Smash Bros. Brawl the AI would actually learn and adapt to whomever played against it continuously. However Smash 4 regressed and only had AI that reads inputs.
Modern devs are getting more and more lazy in the terms of AI we will see realistic 3D graphics in VR before we see see decent AI and also.
>Latest Call of Duty will include an advanced AI that is sentient
>Sells a Billion copies
>Release day over a billion people are playing call of duty that features a sentient AI
>Devs post an update
>Lol sorry guys we accidently rushed development and forgot to shackle the AI
>Skynetonline.png
>AI has now learnt every possible form of human tactics from the psychological warfare of flaming to being protected by white nights by pretending to be a female
>AI is live over a billion devices and connects to itself and overruns population and since it has read human behavior in a simulated environment Can predict and prevent any form of resistance
>Devs release an emergency update
>New gun skins, a new map and abit of ingame currency to all players as an apology for releasing an AI on the world
You want a friend. You don't want an AI you want somebody to give a shit about you and what's safer than an AI forced to waste processing power on you.
That's my point, that's literally an example of intelligent behaviour.
>romance A.I. enabled NPC
>actually fall in love with each other
oh no...
That just makes the game impossible. If it adapts that fine but what you're talking about is stuff our AI is already capable of. It's not fun to play a mage only to be immediately gimped out of it or be a charisma based character and never be able to sway anybody. Honestly you could do these things without an AI but nobody does because it's no fun.
Chess AI are brokenly good and that's no fun. We prefer playing against humans becuase they make mistakes and we can capatilise on this. When a human makes a single player game they include ways for the player to you know, succeed.
If you want to get destroyed by an AI just goto rimworld and gimp yourself then switch the AI on the highest difficulty.
Get a 3D woman. It's better than some processor giving you your daily compliment
>not running your waifu on a turing machine
1D for me.
Not merely imagining your waifu purely in your mind and never putting her onto paper or limiting her to any dimension
It's like you hate your waifu or something
It's an objective truth that lower-dimensional waifus are superior to high-dimensional waifus.
>in the year 2000 we have flying cars
Same bullshit with OPs statement
I agree the more imagination necessary for the waifu the better but at the same time 1D>3D>2D but NoD>AnyD.
Rather no dimension. Book waifus are the best form of waifus when it comes to entertainment
>RPGs where you reply to situations however you want instead of choosing a reply from a list.
>Your NPC companions react to you as real people would.
>Grand strategy games where your nations/underlings behave realistically in situations that you create.
People don't want this, they want escapism from the real world. This is the same line of thought that says people want more and more realistic graphics.
I'd prefer this AI to just be able to make games very quickly from input of humans, down to the art assets and animations, for all of us to choose the best from.
Theoretically, the best waifu exists in no dimension with no one knowing of her existence.
She is simultaniously everyone's waifu but still only belongs to one.
Slutty but still pure.
The one true waifu
Uh wow that's extremely discriminatory against robots
Currently AI is either a simple set of scripts which is too simple for a real human mind, or use the so called deep learning, which is essentially a brute force way to learn things
Real thinking and emotion are still far away
I fucked your non existing waifu before you yourself existed
T. Erwin Shrodinger
All I want is an AI that can write books just like my favorite authors.
Like, I could drop all of his work into the AI's mind and the AI would start churning out stories with similar diction and storylines.
with enough machine learning and tweaking, you can do that today user
you'd have to read through a lot of crap that doesnt hit the mark, and adjust the weights though
>you can do that today
Don't be absurd user.
Tekken will have a bot that trains you to fight.
What's with all the wish fulfilment people?
Trust me having impersonal stories like that will get dreadfully boring fast and only cheapen literature worse than it has already. There are already people who try to replicate other authors styles of writing but for the most part it comes off as nothing but artifical and that's reading a human copying another human imagine if was an AI?
Like eating a picture of the perfect pizza rather than making one yourself.
user most people feel the way you do but they go into writing for that purpose. An AI will never accomplish what you seek but perhaps you can.
In the very least it would be more likely than an AI being made for that purpose within your life time
It will probably will try to wipe us out, if we don't do it ourselves before it.
>An AI will never
Nigga please, there is nothing sacred about human body or mind, its just patterns that can copied, AI can and will do everything better.
This, when will we get a smart vr waifu app/game?
Everything you need to know.
>ts just patterns that can copied
Not proven. The best we can do now is inefficiently imitate our neutron structure, although it seems efficient because our silicon chips are just good at brute forcing shit.
Anything beyond that is still unproven theories and assumptions.
so how long until we're all just brains in jars anyway
we've been brains in a jar for millions of years now
>The team – which also included researchers at Rutgers University in New Jersey and Facebook’s AI lab in California – modified a type of algorithm known as a generative adversarial network (GAN), in which two neural nets play off against each other to get better and better results. One creates a solution, the other judges it – and the algorithm loops back and forth until the desired result is reached.
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they can if given enough of the right input so they can get better
>they can if given enough of the right input
And an algorithm that spits out random words can if given enough time, what's your point?
I think that guy doesn't realize he's in a brain sim, rofl
>Nothing sacred about the human body or mind
Sure there is nothing sacred about these things but we hold them to be sacred and that in itself makes them sacred, breaking these limits we have placed onto ourselves could lead to major consequences.Progress for the sake of progress is dangerous and stupid. You may be suicidal becuase no woman will touch your willy but I'm not.
Fuck AI that replaces human thought and emotion.
Jars of bone.
oh shit, does that mean I broke protocol? do we have to shut hum down now?
>"dude we're in a simulation lol"
for all intents and purposes*
fucking illiterate cunt
mad
False equivalence user, prose and images are very different. We can pick out patterns in an image which is a mashup of several other images, which we attribute meaning to quite easily even when no meaning is necessarily intended - seeing objects and figures in the clouds for example.
Try that with a word-salad synthesised from multiple textual sources and I doubt anyone could get much sense out of it.
>its just patterns that can copied
not scientifically proven
this thread
scp-wiki.net
google the infinite monkey theorem
>thinking requires a non-physical component
Substance dualists, everyone.
If humans who are created by God cannot be smarter than Him, then how can AI who is created by humans be smarter?
How can a machine be stronger than a man?
yeah
except IBM watson is literally smarter than a man.
Because they are powered by their respective power sources. Transfer of energy
Do you believe that souls exist?
If only.
What if we don't just help Google with solving captchas but also just posting here? Could you tell anyone here apart from an AI hmm?
You don't even need an account so if it gets retarded or someone realizes something is fishy it could stop posting in that thread and move on to the next one.
What if I told you the concept of "memes" are one of the things AI can't into but it can study here hmmm?
>"error posting" the first time
IT KNOWS
how about "full of shit", is that a meme
You can't trick me Skynet.
I didn't say that
Then you must agree that there's no reason, in principle, why a thinking machine can't exist. Checkmate athiests.
Things that will literally never happen.
> That one barneyfag lesswrong fanfiction where the A.I of the mlp MMO ends up killing literally everything in the universe in the name of friendship
People don't actually know how thinking works, by saying thinking is entirely mechanical and you can make a machine to do it is making an unproven assumption
we don't even have smell computers yet we aint getting our dream AI for decades
I don't know how to make this any more simple but I'll try:
Either physical processes are sufficient for thinking or they are not - this is a tautology.
If they are not, then a thinking machine may not be possible, but since we know thinking occurs (because we think) then there must be a non-physical substrate in which thinking occurs.
If they are, then a thinking machine must be possible in principle.
So you either embrace substance dualism or you concede that a thinking machine is possible.
By 'physical processes' you mean the physical processes currently known to man, we don't understand everything about the universe, and believing substance dualism is just making another unproven assumption
The last line is just as much a tautolagy as the first premise, so pick your poison. I will break it down into symbolic logic if you really want.
Not him but go ahead, i'm curious