Gay people of Sup Forums, how did you feel during this part?

Gay people of Sup Forums, how did you feel during this part?

Do you think it was offensive?

he's not gay though

Yes he is jesus christ we have been having this argument for close to a fucking a decade. He's a straight up faggot there is no way around it

he's not gay tho

You just wish he was gay. Fucking homofags trying to read everything in a way that suits them.

Kanji was my favorite Persona 4 character actually

he was a teenager struggling with his sexuality due to his interests and peoples perception of him.

>was wondering why he had feelings for a guy
>was acting like a shy little fuckboy blushing and running whenever maleoto showed up
>brushed off rise whenever she tried to flirt with him
>was constantly trying to prove himself a man
>was a little too close to yu during the social meets
>at the beach was okay showing his dick to yu and yos, but covered up when the girls arrived

He's not gay as long as his penis is cute

hes not gay, just confused and thought he was.
cutesy interests, he found naoto hot, etc.

He's not gay just the cutest girl

I have no idea what happens in that part because I don't play weeb games but there's literally nothing a game can do that'd offend me as a "gay person"

>at the beach was okay showing his dick to yu and yos, but covered up when the girls arrived
That's called being modest jackass

when you find another dude hot, you gay. that's the very definition of gay. he was sexually attracted to someone of the same gender.

>sexuality
*masculinity

That's the offensive part. Gay guys are just misguided and need to see the "truth" to go back to the straight path. Same for that transgender girl, she didn't really want to be a boy just to be recognised. They're treating these things as mental illnesses coming from abuse fuck this place I'm going back to tumblr

As a guy who grew up playing sports, I dont understand what straight dudes find so embarrasing about Dicks

It doesnt turn me on when you show me a dick, Its just a flaccid tube

naoto is a girl you retard.
if a girl dresses like a boy and you look at their face and say that person is attractive youre straight by your logic...because its a girl.

I didn't care, something in a video game can't offend me because it has nothing to do with me personally. That would be retarded.

But what if you find a reverse trap hot
Are reverse traps gay?

America was cucked by the Puritans, so we actually find violence more acceptable than nudity or sex.

This is fading over time, but it's still a present force in our culture. Men can work shirtless, but a woman's breast is RATED R!!! Movies will mild depictions of murderous violence might only score a PG-13 for the lack of blood, but if something sexual happens, it's automatically deemed more offensive than the depictions of violence.

Why would you be ashamed of your dick in front of other owners of dicks?

If Kanji was gay his shadow would have become more powerful and he wouldn't have gained his persona until accepting that he was gay, therefor he's not gay. Also I want him to fuck me.

There is no transgender girl, this post reeks of bait.

So then..... liking traps ISNT gay?

>the only reason violence is shown is because of puritans

yknow there was a time when drug abuse and sharing the same bed in a film was considered a No-No

We've gone a long way since then

>naoto is a girl you retard.
he didn't know she was a girl. he thought she was a guy. fucking GAY.
getting hot over anything that looks like a guy is GAY. it's less gay to get turned on by traps, since it's a guy that looks like a woman.
correct. but if you still want to fuck it after finding out it's trap, you are GAY.

What would happen if they switched bodies

Based Japs mocking fags

It's not the only reason. I'm fine with violent depictions. I've just always found it odd how weak American society is about sexuality, nudity, etc.

Imagine setting up a Roman style bathhouse in Podunk, USA. Everyone would be in swimming trunks or some shit.

thats where I quit playing. Im not grinding more to try and beat him

The detective chick. Passed as a dude, but that wasn't because she actually wanted to be one. Same for Kanji, he thinks he's gay but no. Moral of the story: japs think lgbt people are just misguided.

nigga, this ain't about Genders or sexuality. This was just pure love at work. teae 2 or the most legit OTP

Wait, Podunk is a real place?

Especially when it's such a good size, and all.

Do you know what a fucking transgender person is? She was a girl, just pretended to be a guy. There is a difference.

Naoto was literally going to remodel her own shit hole

Kanji's character loses a significant amount of meaning if you try to claim he's gay because the entire internal conflict was that his aggressive personality clashes with his hobbies that are typically seen as feminine, thus his fear that he won't be accepted or be seen as "gay." He's afraid to be himself, and only briefly questions his heterosexuality when confronted with a girl trying to come across as a boy he's attracted to. In the end he literally never expresses any attraction to a male character, but multiple times is turned on and subsequently embarrassed by female characters. Thinking Kanji is literally gay is incredibly simple minded and shows you didn't quite get the theme of the entire game.

There probably is a town called Podunk, yeah, but it just means " middle of nowhere small town " in Murrica.

>walking around nude with other men
rome was also filled with rampant homo sex. i'm glad that shit will never reach the US shores.

Gay guy here.

This scene was definitely more tasteful then the shit they pulled in Persona 5.

>look at our MATURE JRPG for ADULTS it deals with modern society and OPPRESSION
>meanwhile entire cast is white straight beautiful looking teenagers
>the two gay characters, people who actually are oppressed in modern society, appear in the game for a whopping 1 minute for laughs and was seen as perverts

Way to go Altus

Sexuality(Not gender, theyre not the same thing you goddamn retards) Is very fluid and hard to understand, especially these days when you are given the freedom to experiment without punishment (to an extent)

I wouldnt say that being attracted to traps is not gay, but its hard to say whether its as gay as being attracted to masculine bald men, and the cultural understanding of sexuality itself is dependent on the time and place. Fucking men in rome was considered manly and not "gay" for example, because the concepts of christian sexuality didnt really exist in rome at the time

>Kanji literally spells out that his issues have nothing to do with liking dudes or ladies but gender roles and social isolation in a lengthy monologue after his boss
>The entire theme of the game is that the truth is beyond the obvious surface answer and literally every single shadow is a caricature that isn't the persons actual issues so they'll deny them and make them go berserk at the request of the vauge evil god badguy
>Retards still think kanji is gay a decade later

if kanji is gay than chie is a dominatrix dyke who only sees other people as steeping stones to make themselves feel better because obviously shadow selves are completely accurate and true

>he didn't know she was a girl. he thought she was a guy. fucking GAY.

thats not how sexuality works my guy.

>Is very fluid and hard to understand
tumblr, please. you're on the wrong website with that nonsense. gay is gay, and kanji dreams of swallowing cocks.

>white

these gifs always makes me diamond, stop posting them

the way this game treats homosexuality shocked and bothered me. kanji "the monster" isn't gay only because the writters did not want kanji to come to terms with his true self, instead rejecting his feelings. his epiphany is "i gotta get off my girl fear." on top of this yusuke treats him like a diseased animal even after this part, which is absurd.

fucking i'm not even gay and this shit bothered me. just treat gay people like people goddamn

>I'm insecure about my body

Weakness is not a point of pride, user.

Changes absolutely nothing to the argument. Naoto only thought she wanted to be a man, Kanji only thought he liked men. This is all just an illusion, if you have the same thoughts be a good boy and stay cis, it's what you really want we swear!

He said he wasn't gay after his dungeon and the only person he shows romantic interest in is female. It doesn't matter how unrealistic you think his story is, if the game says he's not gay then he's not gay.

>girl acting like a man so she can be accepted by her peers
>transgender
wew lad

>literally his entire dungeon and social link is about how he isn't gay despite his interests in sewing and one of the characters
>"No but his shadow's a gay stereotype so he's gay"

>Gay is Gay

yes but what is considered gay is dependent on the culture in which the term is present

More, you say???

No, because I wasn't retarded and knew what the game was going for.

>Grinding in a smt game

Go back to tumblr fa- oh, well, alright, seeya

M O R E

Arguments kanji isn't gay:
>He literally says as such
>Shadow selves are basically lies every single time
>The only man he actually shows attraction to in the original (no spinoff shit or golden doesn't count) is the most obvious girl wearing boys clothes in the world and an ambigious scene that's played as a gag at the river
>He really really wants that girl wearing boys clothing to wear a swimsuit

Arguments kanji is gay:
>I really want it to be true
>I'm a brainlet that can't understand the games own themes and actually took things at face value, meaning I almost certainly used a guide to find the true ending.

>all these gays on Sup Forums
what year did this happen?

I don't know OP, was it?

Naoto only wanted to be a man because she wanted to be a detective and didn't know how to deal with mysogynist japanese police because she's a literal child

That's the thing, they pussied out on making actually gay/trans characters and just opted for the safer daddy issues/shy generic trope.

>implying you've never been tricked by a trap
Why are you trying to lie on the internet user

Culture decides what is straight and what isnt, tumblr has meshed the roles of gender and sexuality together and created a clusterfuck where sexualities are considered different genders and everyone is confused and no one knows what to do or who to fuck and this is why teaching sociology is a nightmare aaaaaaa


Heres your pic

>Kanji's issues stem from his horrible self esteem due to being bullied and called a homo or a weirdo for liking sewing and other feminine shit as a guy
>People proceed to peg him as a homo because of similarly shaky evidence, the exact thing that gave kanji issues in the first place

What did tumblr mean by this?

>Fucking men in rome was considered manly and not "gay" for example, because the concepts of christian sexuality didnt really exist in rome at the time
Hm, this is not quite correct tho the broader thrust of your post about sexualities being historically contingent is. Being penetrated by another man was extremely shameful and condemned much more severely than homosexuality in the modern west, it was considered slavish and totally unmanly behavior. By contrast, penetrating other men was considered more of a peccadillo -- not something you'd want your son to grow up to do, but not something that disqualified him from polite society either. The emperor Hadrian had a succession of teenage boyfriends; this was not considered too scandalous but when one of them, Antinous, became his official companion and traveled with his retinue on state functions, it led to public disapprobation and Antinous' death under suspicious circumstances.

>I'm going back to tumblr
Please don't return here from tumblr ever again.
Tumblrina-cancer should stay within tumblr.

Persona 4 has to be the biggest case I've ever seen of a fanbase not getting the story.

The characters are defined by literal memes, I can't count the number of times I've seen people who think Adachi actually said "bitches and whores" in game.

It's ironic, but they're nothing but cardboard cutouts and stereotypes, which is actually what the game DIDN'T want you to do.

I hate what Persona 4 did to the series, but at least I have enough respect to comprehend it's story.

It's no wonder 5 had to have comic book super villains as bad guys while pretending the heroes were morally grey.

Kanji wasn't about being gay he was insecure about his masculinity because he worked in textiles and was bullied for it, it's why he overcompensated and became a punk

It was about him realizing he wasn't really a thug hence he stops dying his hair and shit after.

The gay shit is because gays are effeminate and not masculine, particularly in japanese sterotypes of silly muscle loving sissies.

>Japanese make japanese character that deals with very large japanese cultural issues
>Retarded imperialist burgers disregard this context and assume it's about retarded western LBGTQP wedge issue their government uses to pass more draconian laws and believe that those evil sexist japs (not racist though, honest) are just keeping the queers down with their shitlord writing

Men who like other men are everywhere, even if they don't spell it out for you to see. They were always here.

They were always here, They just never bothered to mention it because it wasnt pertinent to the conversation

They didn't pussy out at all, Persona 2 had a gay character you can romance.

Only the sophists thought sodomy was tolerable, it was prevalent but plenty of influential people in rome and greece completely disavowed all forms of it.

Thank you

No I actually think he's gay because I am a Naotofag, and I want people to stop acting like they like each other when its been proven Naoto likes Yu

Come on. We all know who's the real faggot in P4.

everything you just said applies to ff7 just as much if not more because it's been long enough that square has actively rewritten the characters to follow fan memes

>"Romance"
>A response to a gag scene that's played off as a joke and does nothing but change a couple bits of incedential dialogue before tatsuya proceeds to care way more about maya anyway

This whole scenario is about a teenage 'bully' who has low self-esteem and anxiety which he channels into rage

Kanji isn't gay he was just raised in a seamstress's shop and become proficient at sewing cleaning and cooking which are skills that are deemed more 'femmenine'

Because of this he felt like he had to hide his true self (aka his hobbies and love of making stuffed animals) and it was only exacerbated by the arrival of Naoto, a GIRL pretending to be a guy, but none-the-less had repeatedly commented on FEMMENINE FEATURES, which in the end led to Kanji's shadow prancing around some bathhouse because Kanji was extremely confused and conflicted with questioning if he really was gay or not.

In the end its resolved that Kanji is NOT gay and liking 'feminine' activities and hobbies also DOES NOT make him gay, and liking Naoto is the LEAST GAY THING he has done the whole game

Persona 4 also did that with it's spinoffs.

>I am a Naotofag and I also think Kanji is gay because I'm afraid of NTR
I'm so sorry

Huh, Who wouldve thought that sexuality isnt just a category you can be shoved into with no outliers

Ive learned a lot today

It's sad that people on this board can't understand the characters in fucking Persona 4. Then have the damn audacity to say that 5 is somehow better in story and cast. Sup Forums really is filled with brainlets.

>this image again
You could do this for just about anyone in the game

Nope. It was fine. Straight people got triggered like fuck for some reason. But meh that lots odd anyway.

It's played off as less of a joke than saying Eikichi.

The cast actually takes your answer as seriously as Lisa or Maya, you even get the special battle dialogue out of it.

And they didn't really push TatsuyaxMaya as canon until the next game.

as a straight guy who used to dance I understood his problems. girls were more intolerant that boys

W-where have you found all those gifs?

But no gay people are around Sup Forums.

The patreon link is imbedded into the image idk what else to say

>white
Low-quality bait, try again.

I don't know if you've been keeping up with the latest SocJus rules, but gay white cis men aren't really oppressed anymore, you're practically oppressors yourselves.

Persona 4 has a lot of shitty characters, yes. The problem is that naoto is "the smart one" so her being a total fucking mouth breather that needs god senpai to do everything stings a lot more

It's less of a joke than the even bigger joke choice but lisa basically goes "well ok I guess" and then everyone proceeds to ignore it outside of the battle dialogue you mentioned

It's not a romance any more than hitting on yosuke at the group date caffe means that persona 4 has a gay romance

Nobody cares about whole "progressive" shit, but retarded west.
They were dealing with more serious problems than "muh attractive normal people are bad".

Oh, haven't noticed behind that glorious ass.
Thanks.

I didnt know gays cared about Persona

>persona
I'm gay, not a woman
why would I play that trash

>lisa basically goes "well ok I guess"

In the Japanese version she says something along the lines of "That complicates things" as she talks about getting Tatsuya to notice him if he chooses Maya, the implication here being it would be even harder to get Tatsuya to notice her if he had no interest in women to begin with.

The fanbooks, Drama CD, and other content released around that time pushed a strong Lisa/Maya/Jun thing, Lisa and Jun tend to fight during the game because Lisa is worried she'll take Tatsuya away from her.

In an interview Kaneko did with the writer of Persona 2, Kaneko told him he got the impression Tatsuya and Jun were gay, and he responded by saying it's "one way to look at it"

I don't consider it canon, but I don't know why so many people are quick to write it off as a joke.