Why is this man still working?

According to Jason Shreier the NES has only a few good games the rest are not worth playing.

This is a professional games journalist's expert opinion on one of the most innovative times in gaming, when most of the genres we still enjoy to this day were being born. Of the console that saved video games in America.

This is the expert opinion of a console that saw the first Final Fantasy, the first Dragon Quest, the first Castlevania, the first Mega Man, the first Gradius, the first Super Mario Bros, the first Fire Emblem, the first Legend of Zelda, the first Ninja Gaiden, not to mention many many more.

How is it possible that someone who would derisively hand wave away one of the golden eras of gaming as unplayable trash still has a job? Still draws a pay check for writing about video games?

A man who has insulted Japanese developers like George Kamitani of Vanillaware. A man who whines on NeoGaf all day about Dark Souls being too hard, and games not being "inclusive" enough.

Fuck this piece of shit, fuck Kotaku, and if you read Kotaku then fuck you too.

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
s3kr.it/cgi-bin/gauntlet.cgi?system=nes
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Because you are giving this person attention.

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>acknowledging kotaku's existence

All those games you listed are good and don't come with the NES classic, and I guarantee the only games he's played are what came with it, which are much worse in comparison.

He's still working because retards like you keep going to the articles and reading the clickbait.

He's not completely wrong though, SNES games have aged far better than NES

Dumbass, if you don't like his opinion literally pick a fucking E-celeb whose opinion you like and listen to their shit instead.

Or better yet, ignore this horseshit entirely and play the games you like.

no I didn't, I saw the archive link on voat and put a screenshot rather than a link here, try again?

It comes with most of the games I listed

he's actually right for the first time in his life

go play 5 random NES games. i guarantee you 4 out of 5 will be shit.

>why is this man still working
>do the VERY THING keeping him employed

Sure, buddy. Sure.

Most NES games are shit unless you grew up with them, I’m sorry. Video games didn’t start to be legitimately good until the SNES.

At least he acknowledges how amazing smb3 is.

I think he has a point. If you believe the Wii had tons of shovel ware you should look through the entire NES library. Seriously 5-15% on the NES are good games the rest is garbage. The SNES is a different story though. That was the golden era.

that's like saying there are no good black and white movies because color movies have aged better

to be fair, the NES is filled with lots of shovelware and unplayable games. He's actually right, i played random NES games for around 4 hours last night on my modded Wii with a "Random ROM" button. There's what, almost 700 games on the NES, and i'd say around 100-150 of them are actually worth playing.

Most 8 bit games do suck tho
There are a few exceptions but 2d was perfected in 16 bit. I hardly find myself playing any new games now

How is he wrong? A lot of games on NES were complete dog shit. IF you thought Wii had a fuckton of shovelware, you weren't around for NES's heap.

The SNES library had one of the best libraries in gaming history, NES had some great games but it also had a lot of shit

You are giving him attention by posting this here. Right now. And you continue to do so by continuing to respond and discuss it.

Most old games aren't great, but were good enough at the time.

he's not wrong

How many NES games would you willingly spend hours playing nowadays?

How many of them don't have the words "Mario," or "Zelda," in them?

you guys are just showing how little you know of the NES library

you could argue the same thing about the PS2, that 1 in 5 games are good, but that amounts to more than 150 games worth playing.

also you have to be at least 18 to post on Sup Forums

The games actually don't hold up though. The translations were actually bad, the physics were actually weak, a lot of games did actually port over the arcade difficulty for no reason. I'm sure any good NES game you can think of was done way better on the SNES or Game Boy Advance.

If we're being honest, I only go back and play Balloon Fight and Zelda. And I seriously doubt you're playing all these NES games that often, despite talking them up. Especially if we're talking about games outside of the top 10.

Even with the NES Classic, the majority of people will not give the majority of games much playtime. Games like ExciteBike, yeah it's cool, and was really cool back then, but we've done so much better now. It can't compete any more.

>thinks he knows about the NES because he watches the Angry Video Game Nerd

>Title of the article is SNES Classic
>Spends the entire first paragraph talking about a different console with zero comparisons made to the console he's suppose to be talking about.

This is actually more of a red flag to me than his assessment of the NES library is.

I've never watched that though. I'm 35, I was around for NES.

Please stop.

Would you defend the ColecoVision as hard as the NES?

There are some genuinely great games on the original Nintendo, but let's not kid ourselves that technology hasn't advanced considerably since then.

>go play 5 random NES games. i guarantee you 4 out of 5 will be shit.

And the same could be said of the Xbox/PS4 library right now.
Most console libraries are full of trash and mediocre sludge with the greats being the ones remembered over time.

The only time this wasn't the case for me was the SNES and PS1, where most games I rented were entertaining to a degree. There were god awful things, sure, but they weren't the norm. PS2 wasn't that bad either I guess.

The only games I would actually go back to on the NES are Castlevania 1/3 and Mega Man

>inconsistent physics
wtf, they follow much simpler logic and thus are less prone to bugs than ANY of the physics systems in use now.

it's actually insane how wrong he is about good NES games.

I don't necessarily agree with this. The SNES had quite a bit of shovelware. I actually think the NES has more better games total.

you realize people could make the exact same argument about PS1 and PS2 games, right?

And yet you'd be a fool to write off those systems entirely because they had a lot of junk on them. That is what happens when you dominate the market, which is what the NES did back in the 80s.

Ok let me rephrase it. 5-15% are worth playing (not necessarily good), the rest is literally garbage you shut down after 2 minutes. Now tell me how 4 out of 5 PS2 games are that bad, that you wouldn't at least give them an hour.

>Consoles with good libraries are bound to have shovelware

No shit, if we didn't we'd have another Nintendo 64 era.

God tier games but dear fucking god that console was a wasteland that made the Wii U look prolific.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Are you saying with a straight face that the NES had a better library than SNES?

The comparison is actually surprisingly spot on, so it's really funny you'd link that.

>I actually think the NES has more better games total.
jesus christ what

Sony systems are all about filtering through the nonsense for the handful of gems, not sure what you're on about.

Because retards like you stay on their shitty website, which generates views, traffic, and revenue.

>voat
Ok this is bait

>Jason Shreier
>Jason "big boobs=pedophilia" Shreier
>Jason "talk shit for two months and get hit" Shreier
>Jason "the game did better because I kicked up so much shit about it" Shreier
>Jason "I never wanted the game to fail" Shreier

The mans opinions are worth less then dirt

Because those games are objectively shit compared to modern masterpieces like Uncharted series or Gone home.

3 things:
stop reading shitaku

this review is moronic, considering it's supposed to be the snes classic

most NES/GB/GBC games are legitimately crap. The golden years of video games was the SNES/Genesis to GC/PS2 era. There are about a handful of good GB games, handful of good GBC games, and a dozen or so good NES games. That's it.

He's pretty much right though. The NES library is mostly trash and they really haven't aged well. Pretty much every game mentioned in the OP is passable at best and all are beaten by their SNES counterparts.

Nah, that's probably the most accurate analogy I've seen in quite awhile, maybe ever if we're talking about Sup Forums

>release games in 2017
>expect it to be reviewed by standards in 1994
So a lot of you are just retarded, it seems. I enjoyed Super Mario RPG LotSS more than virtually any game I have ever played, and if they re-released it now I'd call it a piece of shit. You will always get reviewed based on the standards of when it is released/re-released. This means every game that is more than a few years from whatever the current date happens to be is fucking terrible. You know, because that's how the world fucking works.

A lot of NES games were good when they came out because there was nothing else like them.
Very few of them are still good, simply because each successive game drastically improved on them.
Just because it was the first doesn't mean it's still good.

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I honestly remember more good NES games as opposed to SNES games.
I grew up with SNES games much more than NES games too. I honestly think the SNES is actually overrated to a large extent. I remember about the same amount of Genesis games being as good as SNES games and I feel many of the genesis games were actually better than the good SNES games. It's funny because as a kid the SNES was by far my most played system.

I think what it really is is there's lots of more good obscure NES games where as the good SNES games seem to all be well known.

>hates loli
>got a loli pass at e3
nice

You know what, fuck you OP. He's absolutely right. There are literally only four or five games worth playing on the NES, because the rest have aged to shit. Why play Metroid when Zero Mission is that but better? Why play Mother 1 when it's just an inferior, poorly translated Earthbound? Why play Super fucking Mario Bros when you know you're going to spend about 10 minutes playing it?

In fact, I bet you wouldn't spend more than ten minutes playing ANY of the titles on the NES. The only games still worth a damn are Megaman and Castlevania, and Legend of Zelda if you've still got your Nintendo Power copies laying around.

But you don't, do you?

hot wife

He's not wrong desu

Vanquish is crap though. It is repetitive, it's a 4 hour slog. Good animations don't make a good game, it's typical platinum shit.

>There are about a handful of good GB games, handful of good GBC games

Yeah, actually, I wanted to bring this up. So many Gameboy games were fucking garbage. I only liked them as a kid because they gave me something to do on car rides.

Though, to be fair, the Gameboy did have Tetris, which as about as close to a perfect game as possible.

>I honestly remember more good NES games as opposed to SNES games.

Bullshit, name them. You can't.

>It is old
>Therefore it is good

BING-BING WAHOOOOOOfags in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.

Is it just me, or is Hillary's shirt impossibly noisy?

>Kotaku

>Scheirer
Opinion discarded.

There's a difference between literally trash and barely playable and just mediocre/bland games. Today most games are just bland and not very fun, but NES games actually sucked on a whole other level. Seriously you can't tell me Colonial Marines isn't a far better game than 3/4 of the NES library. And that is a game we consider terrible today. We have far higher standards since the bar has been raised since the NES.

>Shreier
That is why he is still working.

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

He's right most NES games are garbage

This is severe sexual repression. The type of thing that isn't healthy.

It's a shame this person has a voice, and might actually be able to influence games.

Battlecity (i think that was its name, it sa tank combat game with a map creator)
Ballon fight
Punchout
Excitebike
Chip &dale
Bionic commando

I could go on

here:
s3kr.it/cgi-bin/gauntlet.cgi?system=nes

Here's my five games:
Flying Warriors
this is that butchered localization of Hokuto no Ken, still somewhat fun though

Solstice
isometric platformer with a severe case of "where the fuck do i go," unplayable

Stack-Up
this is that absolutely retarded game that came with ROB the Robot

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
lol

Dragon Ball Revival of the Dark Lord
a DBZ game where you basically roll dice to fight

and that random game generator doesn't even have a lot of the Japanese shovelware like Super Monkey Daibouken, Bokosuka Wars, the Transformers game or Hoshi wo Miru Hito

I feel like you are pleased by very simple things.

Balloon Fight was an example I was going to give of how substanceless some NES games were.

user, this will be the opinion of most of the future generations. Those of us who grew up with NES will be some of the few who can appreciate them

>all these plebs that don't play games like Startropics or Crystalis every couple years at least

Yes, a lot of 5th gen and 6th gen games don't hold up today, especially when you start getting off of the top 10 lists.

This isn't an age thing, it's not because I grew up with a playstation instead of a NES. I go back and play NES games far more often than I ever touch a game on any of the playstation consoles. It's not a conflict of sentiment in any way, NES games just don't hold up when viewed from modern standards, they were created in the context of the 80's-90's and we've moved out of that context.

Obviously on the later consoles, with larger storage and better graphics processing, developers had a lot more freedom so there are far more cases where games on those systems are actually the best example of their concept, but I'd say that's only because no one's come back to their concept.

The thing with creative mediums, they're always moving forwards, short of humans being annihilated they're always going to be getting better. Like how medieval art is sonic-oc tier today.

you can appreciate it and the decent games without having to pretend that it overall had a good library. It has its gems that basically shaped in which direction the industry went, but don't pretend most games were good. Most were dogshite.

>go play 5 random NES games. i guarantee you 4 out of 5 will be shit.
Problem is, this is true for 4 out of 5 games period.

Name some NES games that are better than anything on SNES

I'll wait

>How many NES games would you willingly spend hours playing nowadays?

Here are the games I would and have recently enjoyed for many hours a piece.
>Zelda I
>Zelda II
>Zelda Outlands (romhack)
>Mega Man 1
>Mega Man 2
>Mega Man 3
>Mega Man 4
>Mega Man 4 Minus Infinity (romhack)
>Mega Man 5
>Mega Man 6
>Battletoads
>Super Mario Bros. 2
>Super Mario Bros. 3
>Little Nemo Dream Master
>Ducktales
>Monster Party
>Faxanadu
>Castlevania I
>Castlevania III
>TMNT II Arcade Game
>TMNT III
>PunchOut
>Metroid
>Contra
>Super C
>Astyanax
>Batman
>Ninja Gaiden


Here are the PS4 games I've played for more than an hour
>Crash Collection
>Last Guardian
>Bloodborne
>Nioh

Not to shit on the PS4, since I really like the games I listed, but I think the point stands.
This Kotaku "journalist" can go fuck himself.

>thinks nobody was alive for the NES days

Yeah no, go back to watching your shitty e-celebs.

Most of everything is dogshit. But for normal people within the next generations, even more NES games than for me will be dogshit. like CV1-3. They will hate these games. I like them though.

That's true with any console though.

It isn't. On consoles at least. 4/5 games will be bland or mediocre, but not outright shit. Game making today is far too expesive so companies at least try and it's very rare that they fuck up to a degree that you can compare its awefullness to bad NES games.

Ninja Gaiden is actually pretty awesome. The Guardian Legend is also a gem, and Metal Storm is great in a way that made me wish it had been held back for a later system (there's flicker in a lot of scenes that a 16 bit system would have cut out, presumably.)

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un true. I only owned 15 titles as a kid and continue to play new ones every few months and it blows my mind at how much better they are than most modern "games"

>Why is this man still working?
Because all of you fuckers didn't support GamerGate.

Patrick is pretty sexist here being offended by the female form and denying a occupation that women only have dominated to make steady income.

You just named over 50 percent of all games worth playing on the NES, now play the rest of the games and realize there is a reason why nobody likes them. It's because they are basically unplayable. The worst PS4 games are usually better than the average NES games that aren't on your list.

Guardian legend
Battle city
Balloon fight
Blaster master
Super C
Jackal
Metal Storm
Batman
Megaman 2

There's more I can't actually think of right now. Atleast 4 and I've played less of the NES library than SNES.
Let me think for SNES there's

Super Mario World
Megaman X
Megaman X2
Megaman X3
Live a Live
Metal Warriors
Secret of Mana
Contra 3

So yea, the NES library is shit on more just because it does have a lot of shovel ware but the SNES library has the same percentage really.

But he's absolutely right, most NES games haven't aged well.

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>physics were weak
Literally the height og momentum in video games and we still haven't been able to replicate it.

>name games worth playing

>HA! there were a bunch of games you didn't name making me right!

literally the more embarrassing post i have seen on Sup Forums

Never bothered to do a comprehensive count, but "most" may have always been shit since there was a lot of low-effort NES games from movie tie-ins. Who cares about "most" rather than just compiling the good?

>tfw bland and/or mediocre translates to outright shit for me

Maybe you guys are missing the point:

>"With a couple of exceptions, the NES Classic's library consisted of games you'd load up, play for a few minutes, and marvel at how poorly they've aged."

That's the part that makes this so ridiculous.

This isn't healthy. This isn't what adults do, adults have sex drives, adults can take in sexual situations (this being 10,000% vanilla) and decide whether or not they enjoy them. Covering your face is something a child does when the see a scary monster in movies. This person is a fucking child in every sense of the world and why would anyone want the opinion of a child?

Pretty easy to say the NES was the greatest thing ever when you only list off some of the top games. But a lot of the games you listed were improved upon by later sequels on later consoles.

It's also pretty interesting that you skipped Castlevania II, could that have been because of the poor translations, inconsistent physics and artificially inflated difficulty?

I wasn't the guy that asked you to name games. And you basically named 75% of games worth playing on the NES. And when I say worth playing I mean it. Every other roughly 550 out of the 700 NES games are barely playable and do really suck. They don't suck like modern games. Today people tend to say a game sucks, if it's not fun enough. Back then a game sucking ment you literally can't get any enjoyment out of it.

>It's also pretty interesting that you skipped Castlevania II
People have been skipping the game for damn near 30 years now, don't act like people haven't always acknowledged it's a mess when 3 actively went back to 1's style