ITT: Games that ruined their franchise

ITT: Games that ruined their franchise
Starting with the obvious

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>ruined
Best Shooter in its Generation

I agree.

sunshine
melee
prime
wind waker
double dash
notice something?

Yeah you forgot F-Zero GX

Super is 2nd worst metroid

You don't like the gc and probably you had a n64, we get it.

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>Ruined
Fucking retard. It's one of the best ones.

(You)

Fuck off Caladez.

The Prime games are the only reasons why people remember your shitty franchise in the first place.

>when you ruin the franchise by being just too fucking good
F-Zero GX was literally so good there was no place else to go with the franchise according to Miyamoto

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At least it's better than judgement though.

lmao 2Dtards still mad prime took over the metroid series and did it better than 2D ever did

this is the actual answer, fusion resulted in other M (aka fusion in 3D)

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[wah wah intensifies]

You guys are both retarded. Fusion came out around the same time, and the Zero Mission a year or two later. Prime was released simultaneously as 2 great 2D games.

>prime ruining metroid

>better environmental puzzles than 2D
>better boss battles
>better combat
>better morph ball mechanics
>better aiming mechanics (wii versions)
>better grapple beam mechanics
>better music
>better lore in a single game compared to the entire 2D line up
>better challenge in prime 1/2
>better enemy variety
>better weapons/items
>more content

only thing 2D does better than prime is movement outside the morph ball (zero mission/fusion only). There is a very good reason why prime took over the series the instant it came out and why Prime 4 is a new inhouse game on the switch and 2D has SR which is an outsourced remake on the 3DS

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>fusion
>great

fusion is a linear piece of shit with unskippable cutscenes riddled throughout, ZM is cool though

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>wah wah intensifies
Why do they keep using this ridiculous sound in every single fucking song in these games?

Metal Gear Solid

A game doesn't have to be bad to ruin its series.
See

eat a dick dobson

>ruined
But we're still getting 2D games so how is the franchised ruined?

Kill yourself

This didn't ruin jackshit, this was fun and I can't wait for the sequel.

Other M is a piece of shit that's neither a 2D game or a Prime game either, it's barely even a Metroid game. After it failed we got Samus Returns, a return to roots. If the franchise was ruined we would have gotten more Other Ms.

You faggots need to stop trying to make the Metroid fanbase look bad.

megaman 4 ruined megaman because charge shot makes it so you dont need to use boss weapons anymore

Super Paper Mario was ok desu
>good story
>good writing
>great characters (especially the villains)
>unique setting
>creative artstyle (in 2D at least)
RPG combat was really the only thing missing...unlike Sticker Star and Color Splash, which are utterly soulless.

I fucking love metroid, both 2d and prime but fusion is poor. Other M is fusion in 2D

>ridiculously linear
>filled the the brim with cutscenes/unavoidable handholding
>take place on boring ships with separated biomes
>GF assgrabbery

The problem are exacerbated in other M compared to fusion but that doesn't excuse fusion

GC was the GOAT console?

This, not liking prime = Not liking metroid, period. Prime is the true successor to super whereas 2D only got more and more linear

>you dont need to use boss weapons anymore
Outside of that one boss in MM2, you never did need to use them, loser.

Get out of here, Dobson.

2D Metroid is dead. Indies are carrying the Metroid torch now. Check out Ori and the Blind Forest and Hollow Knight if you somehow haven't yet

this

you're 3 off

No, you are, he's off by 6. FF13 unironically killed FF

Dumbass genwunner

>ridiculously linear
It does open up and give you some freedom something Other M never does.
>filled the the brim with cutscenes/unavoidable handholding
Far less than Other M, I think your exaggerating on how much Fusion actually has.
>take place on boring ships with separated biomes
All of them are interesting too.
>GF assgrabbery
The X were more important, the GF corruption wasn't heavily forced down your throat like it was in Other M.

Why are you Primefags trying to start something with the 2D fanbase?

Yeah that's true. I guess we could say VII marked the shift to more a more cinematic style and X to a more explicitly linear style. X and XIII aren't that different in philosophy.

Not OP but Metroid Samus Returns sold well and made a profit, Sakamoto is already planning a Fusion sequel.

Dumbass Primefag

>Sakamoto
>good future 2D metroid games
neither can live while the other survives

>he still thinks Tanabe has when he never had it to begin with
Same can be said about Prime.

>opens up
Only at the VERY end where it doesn't even matter anymore

>far less than other M
Yes, I said it's exacerbated in other M but that doesn't excuse fusion
>exaggerating
No I'm not, it's impossible to play fusion for more than 30 minutes without coming into a forced, unskipable navigation room

>all of them are interesting
Outside the nocturnal one they're generic as fuck, even then the point it a ship is way more boring than planets

>the GF corruption wasn't forced down your throat
Lol what? It's the entire final arc

>planning a Fusion sequel

is this confirmed or is it just speculation from the SR ending? I love Fusion

*it

I like both 2d and prime but prime more

>trying to start shit
I didn't start the fire, 2Dtards like Dobson and movieblob were the ones who shat on prime historically, I'm just here to put them in their place (Not that I have to, prime rules the series now)

The SR ending is just a throwback to fusion, if anything the chozo memories allude to a sequel

Sakamoto: “For the time being I’d like to leave [Metroid’s future] up to the imagination of all the fans who’ve supported Samus,” he said. “I think it’s likely their imagination and my own vision are in synch, and that’s what I’m hoping for.”

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Only at the VERY end where it doesn't even matter anymore
The game does have areas not shown on the map, something Other M didn't do.

>Yes, I said it's exacerbated in other M but that doesn't excuse fusion
Agreed

>No I'm not, it's impossible to play fusion for more than 30 minutes without coming into a forced, unskipable navigation room
True

>Outside the nocturnal one they're generic as fuck, even then the point it a ship is way more boring than planets
I agree, but I still loved them compared to the generic garbage of Other Shit.

>Lol what? It's the entire final arc
Yes, the FINAL ARC not the entire fucking game like what's her name.

Then you should had shitted on him, not 2D Metroid because some of us have the opposite opinion over you when it comes to 2D or Prime.

I didn't shit on 2D, I posted objective stuff prime does better and said prime took over the series (which it did)

It's great in it's own respect.

>you never did need to use them, loser.
Ok

>You don't need to use boss weapons if you want to effectively go through the levels instead of mashing lemons at everything for a needlessly long time

Is that better, you pedantic asshole?

> I guess we could say VII marked the shift to more a more cinematic style
This would be either 4 (first game with substantial cuscenes at all) 6 (full of cinematic shit like the opera scene) or 8 (large parts of the game are actually a movie, level scaling to make sure you don't need to actually try to beat the game)

7 has the most side content and general gameplay sperg of any game besides spinoffs (or 12 if you count wandering the desert for 40 hours hunting down monster reskins unique gameplay)

It didn't jack shit if it did, we wouldn't be getting 2D games and Prime wouldn't be stuck between Metroid and Metroid 2 hell, expanding the universe, Prime even lost Ridley and the Chozo to 2D Metroid, stop sounding like a fucking faggot. 2D Metroid was better than Prime in 2002 and better than Prime now. Your shitty opinion is just that an opinion, Other M can burn in a pit fire though not only was that game, not a Metroid game but it was insulting as well.

*take over

> X and XIII aren't that different in philosophy.
Except that X is linear because of thematic and story reasons while 13 is linear because making fancy graphics is time consuming

also the tube in X has stuff to interact with while the 13 tube doesn't

>we wouldn't be getting 2D games
2 remakes over the course of 13 years, wew. Not as single new game since prime 1 came out

>prime wouldn't be stuck between Metroid and Metroid 2 hell

there is nothing stating Fed force doesn't take place after 2 or prime 4 having to take place before 2, even then so what? It's not like 2D has progressed the timeline since 2002 (or that it matters anyway)

>Prime even lost Ridley and the Chozo to 2D Metroid
wut? lol

>2D Metroid was better than Prime in 2002
HAHAHAHA fusion was SHAT on by prime 1 in quality and sales

>better now
ooo a linear 3DS remake with a metacritic score 1 above hunters, I'm sure it'll compare to Prime 4 ;)

>Your shitty opinion is just that an opinion
The entire list I posted of prime superiority is all objective (except music but lets be real if you think 2D has better music than prime you should probably just puncture your eardrums)

>Other M can burn in a pit fire though not only was that game, not a Metroid game but it was insulting as well.
can agree to that

Primefags dont need to start anything because 2D purists always throw the first stone against prime

>2 remakes over the course of 13 years, wew. Not as single new game since prime 1 came out
And now where getting a Metroid 5 next, now what, Primefag?

>there is nothing stating Fed force doesn't take place after 2
Holy shit, you're retarded. This is funny as shit.

>wut? lol
You should have been keeping up with the news, Tanabe stated that Ridley and the Chozo won't be showing up in future Prime installments.

>HAHAHAHA fusion was SHAT on by prime 1 in quality and sales
In sales but that's it, I'm going to make a list on why Prime isn't really a Metroid game, just more Metroid than Other Shit.

>ooo a linear 3DS remake with a metacritic score 1 above hunters, I'm sure it'll compare to Prime 4 ;)
>he reads reviews made by journalist of their opinions instead of playing the game for himself
I bet if one of those journalists said that shit tastes good, you would eat it.

>The entire list I posted of prime superiority is all objective (except music but lets be real if you think 2D has better music than prime you should probably just puncture your eardrums)
You didn't really post anything, I swear you Primefags are the equivalent to ODST/Reachfsgs in Halo threads.

>Dobson and movieblob, faggots that like Other M
>2D fans
No, you faggots always start shit first. There's a reason why 2D fans hate you and it has nothing to do with sales. You mother fuckers always shitpost in 2D Metroid threads.

*Reachfags

>no true Scotsman

they like 2D and hate prime, the signs of true faggots. Liking Other M pales in comparison to this

Yeah I dont think we go to the same metroid threads then. Prime haters are always very vocal, kinda like now

>melee

>And now where getting a Metroid 5 next
lmao having to bring unconfirmed shit into this lol.

>Holy shit, you're retarded. This is funny as shit.
didn't see that image for FF but no reason why Prime 4 can't do what I said, and even so who cares

>Tanabe stated that Ridley and the Chozo won't be showing up in future Prime installments.
ok? your statement was 2D took Ridley and chozo from prime which were in 2D already. Also we already got no ridley and chozo, it's called prime 2 and it's the best game in the series so I'm hyped

>only in sales
fusion got shit on critically too by both the fanbase and criics, also good luck lol prime 1-3 are way closer to what metroid is than fusion/SR

>I bet if one of those journalists said that shit tastes good, you would eat it.
sounds like you already do that with fusion

>You didn't really post anything, I swear you Primefags are the equivalent to ODST/Reachfsgs in Halo threads.
see, all true
don't know shit about halo or care

>primefags start shit first
2Dfags shat on prime in droves before getting BTFO by the prime 4 announcement, now only one autist remains desperately spamming articles that don't show anything of metroid 5 saying it's coming out, he's also the one that starts shit. Also have you not seen what the OP is? lol

Of course, we don't, I only go to 2D Metroid threads.

Nah, if you like Other M, you're not a Metroid fan and they like Other M. As far as 2D Metroid vs Prime, I agree with them that 2D is better than Prime but Prime never ruined the series since we're still getting 2D games compared to how Other M killed 2D Metroid for 13 years and Prime for 6 years.

Yeah I noticed that the gamecube has a ton of great series-defining games too, thanks

>no, you faggots always start shit first
the revisionism is unreal, most people who only play prime don't give a shit about 2D, 2D only fags on the other hand are threatened by prime's existence and constantly try to shit on it as a defensive response

Thats funny, I too also go into 2D metroid threads and still find plenty of prime hate

If you don't like prime, you're not a metroid fan either (or if you don't like 2D either, outside of not liking fusion).

Nah bruh Fusion is what did it

For one thing, The guy that drops articles of Metroid 5 to your unknowledgeable asses is me. The other guy is some faggot that's been doing it for years. I'm also the guy who stated that 2D Metroid wasn't dead before the announcement of Metroid Samus Returns as well since you faggots wouldn't shut the fuck up about "muh Metroid is dead" every single fucking thread making the Metroid fanbase look like the worst fanbase in the Nintendo fanbase.

>lmao having to bring unconfirmed shit into this lol.
See>didn't see that image for FF but no reason why Prime 4 can't do what I said, and even so who cares
You're that guy, aren't you? Okay, no further discussion with you.

>i-it's not me
sure

>See
nothing about metroid 5, that quote means jack shit

>okay, no further discussion with you
no argument = retreat, Phazon is done and prime 4 doesn't have to be constraint to being between 1 and 2. And once again, who cares if it is anyway

Prime series
>starts you off with half your abilities only to take it away after already teaching you how to use them
>after recollecting everything you have to relearn how to use everything again
>terrible combat system with only the bosses being enjoyable to fight
>FPS platforming
>none of the abilities work like they do in the 2D games
>having to switch beams to open doors all the time
>locks you in the same room a lot
>terrible backtracking compared to the 2D games
>feels more like Zelda than Metroid
>forces a fetch quest in the game
>to 100% the game and get the best ending you have to scan everything, not just collect everything and beat the game at the quickest time
>Prime 3 forces the motion gimmick down your throat
>Prime 3 feels like Halo lite and not Metroid
>Beam switching slowed down combat
>visors slowed down combat
>sequence breaking was removed on Prime 1's re-release
Yeah, sorry but the Prime series isn't real Metroid games.

These are all subjective or non-issues like losing abilities (which doesn't happen in 3 anyway), nice argument. Your only valid point is first person platforming which I already mentioned hereThe amount of major stuff prime does better than 2D makes your pathetic list pale in comparison

I cant tell if this is copy pasta or you're that same user from a while back with the really bad opinions

>sure
I'll let you believe what you want to believe, faggot.

>nothing about metroid 5, that quote means jack shit
>he thinks Prime 4 will be good after Prime 3 and Fedshit, not to mention a new team, a Japanese team

>no argument = retreat, Phazon is done and prime 4 doesn't have to be constraint to being between 1 and 2. And once again, who cares if it is anyway
You're the same faggot that keeps making those shitty, "the next Metroid 2D game will play like Other M and will take place between Super and Fusion" guy. Why the hell should I waste my time speaking with a huge faggot that thinks Prime will continue where Fusion left off instead being what it was made to be in the first place, a series to expand the Metroid universe and nothing more.

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>>he thinks Prime 4 will be good after Prime 3 ended up being great
Okay?

All of those are subjective too, maybe you faggots should learn how to better get along with us and ignore the faggots instead of always starting shit, there's a reason we hate you faggots.

>anime poster
Nope, but your image is all I needed to see. Fucking weebs.

>great
If you say so

>>he thinks Prime 4 will be good after Prime 3 and Fedshit,

of course, prime 3 was made with the deliberate choice to appeal to the casual base of the wii, Prime 4's design is like Prime 1's. If I have to explain why fed force is irrelevant you're dumber than I thought

>japanese team
1. we don't know this
2. the japanese have always been heavily involved in prime, especially with 1

>"the next Metroid 2D game will play like Other M and will take place between Super and Fusion" guy.
it's not 2D if it plays like Other M is it? I do think metroid 5, if it's made, will be 3D because nintendo doesn't do 2D mainline games outside of platformers anymore, I base this off stats since we have nothing for metroid 5 to go off of at the moment

>between super and fusion
never claimed this

>prime will continue where fusion left off
never said this, no reason prime 4 can't take place between super and fusion

Oh wow, an anime image. What a sin.

Elysia captured my heart I cant fight it

>All of those are subjective too

>better environmental puzzles than 2D
>better boss battles
>better morph ball mechanics
>better aiming mechanics (wii versions)
>better grapple beam mechanics
>better challenge in prime 1/2
>better enemy variety
objective

the others are subjective but like I said if you disagree you're taste is beyodn shit

oh I guess source on the first point

>I do think metroid 5, if it's made, will be 3D because nintendo doesn't do 2D mainline games outside of platformers anymore games outside of platformers anymore
What is Samus Returns? If you actually saw all eleven Chozo Memories you would know that Metroid 5 will be 2D and will most likely be made in collaboration with MercurySteam again after how well Samus Returns turned out.

>What is Samus Returns?
a remake, mainline = new numbered entry

>if you actually saw all eleven chozo memories you would know that Metroid 5 will be 2D and will most likely be made in collaboration with MercurySteam again after how well Samus Returns turned out.
I did, there's 0 reason why it has to be 2D (or be a mainline title for that matter)

>better environmental puzzles than 2D
That's Zelda not Metroid
>better boss battles
2D bosses weren't made to be that complicated to begin with, the only boss that can be counted like that is the Diggernaught.
>better morph ball mechanics
>better aiming mechanics (wii versions)
>better grapple beam mechanics
>better challenge in prime 1/2
>better enemy variety
What am I even reading here? All I said is that it's really not a Metroid game and like I said before your statements are subjective. Prime was made to play like a first Person game not a 2D game but many things from the 2D games should have been kept.

environmental puzzles have always been in metroid dummy

>Prime was made to play like a first Person game not a 2D game
this doesn't mean it's not metroid

>but many things from the 2D games should have been kept.
compared to what?

The prime games are closer to 1/super than 2/fusion are, what are you basing your shit off? Wait don't tell me, arbitrary, illogical standards you propped in your head that ignore the core aspects of metroid like exploration

>a remake, mainline
Yes, is that a problem?

>I did, there's 0 reason why it has to be 2D (or be a mainline title for that matter)
Sakamoto only works on 2D Metroid games and before you say Other M, Sakamoto and Nintendo already confirmed they are no longer doing Metroid games like that because the piece of shit bombed horribly for good reasons. I'm done wasting my time with you. Primefags are the literal ODST/Reachfags of Metroid.

>cutting off my post because you don't have an argument
a remake is not mainline

>Sakamoto only works on 2D Metroid games
othe-
>and before you say Other M, Sakamoto and Nintendo already confirmed they are no longer doing Metroid games like that because the piece of shit bombed horribly for good reasons.
yes, it won't be linear and cutscene filled like other M, doesn't mean it won't be 3D

also good job retreating again, and for someone who dislikes prime you seem to know an awful lot about Halo. Hmm...

>environmental puzzles have always been in metroid dummy
No, they haven't, not in the way Prime implements them.

>this doesn't mean it's not metroid
It's different from the 2D Metroid games.

>compared to what?
All the Beams should have functioned like the 2D games, the Space Jump should have been just a thruster upgrade or the High Jump Boots.

What are you comparing your shit too? Prime plays like a first-person Zelda game, not a 2D Metroid game, how hard is that to comprehend in that peanut sized brain of yours?

You're hopeless, I'm no longer responding to you so here's your (You) as a parting gift from me to you, faggot.

>No, they haven't
what are the disappearing block puzzles in metroid 1, what are freezing enemies to climb
>not in the way Prime implements them.
oh good, more irrelevant, illogical standards

>It's different from the 2D Metroid games.
sure, it's still metroid, moreso than 2 and fusion

>All the Beams should have functioned like the 2D games
why? also prime 3 does this
>the Space Jump should have been just a thruster upgrade or the High Jump Boots.
this goes agaisnt what you said about being like 2D, also prime 2 does this with gravity boost anyway

>Prime plays like a first-person Zelda game, not a 2D Metroid game
yes, recall the dungeons, loads of cutscenes/story and NPCs in metroid prime. metroid prime (as well as 2 and even 3) are closer to metroid 1 than fusion/2 are in design

>oh shit I got fucked, better run away

>what are the disappearing block puzzles in metroid 1, what are freezing enemies to climb
Not Prime
>oh good, more irrelevant, illogical standards
>oh shit, can't come up with a good argument so I'm just going to state illogical standards because I can't defend this
>sure, it's still metroid, moreso than 2 and fusion
Keep telling yourself that
>why? also prime 3 does this
I'm talking about the wave beam going through walls and objects, the plasma beam going through enemies and being green in color.
>this goes agaisnt what you said about being like 2D, also prime 2 does this with gravity boost anyway
Prime 2 did it right
>yes, recall the dungeons, loads of cutscenes/story and NPCs in metroid prime. metroid prime (as well as 2 and even 3) are closer to metroid 1 than fusion/2 are in design
Uh, huh, here's a (You) for you too, you both deserve it, bye, faggot.