Is it possible to give Samus characterization without the fans screaming that it's another "Other M"?

Is it possible to give Samus characterization without the fans screaming that it's another "Other M"?

Sure if you don't write her like shit.

If she goes into crisis she should revert into introversion and being anti-social and not into powerless bimbo.

This duality that Other M tried to explore, the Samus that's a woman vs the Samus that's a warrior, isn't it necessary to explore it eventually?
And when you do that, won't people just go "Other M!! Other M!!! Spam bad reviews >:((("?

Samus should be sexy and strong at the same time
Make her enemies fear the shit out of her

So just make her a Bayonetta clone? A comic book character, basically? Not a human?

Samus can't be a woman before she is a person. She exist outside of the society and only models of womanhood she could ever get is either talking to female soldiers or bounty hunters or briefly civilians every once in a while.

Make her into a gassy slop, then they'll have a different thing to complain about.

>Samus can't be a woman before she is a person. She exist outside of the society and only models of womanhood she could ever get is either talking to female soldiers or bounty hunters or briefly civilians every once in a while.

It's not society that makes you a woman, it's biology. She's female.
It's a strange femininity because she has plenty of power what with the Chozo genes and the power suit, but she is still mentally a girl.
And it's interesting to juxtapose that girlishness against her martial circumstances.

Actually its both
You'll be surprised how big an impact society has in shaping who you are as an individual, or maybe you won't... Maybe you're not an idiot.

Can't the enemies shit the fear out of her?

Civilization can't make you not a woman, it can only make you a bitchy woman.

>This duality that Other M tried to explore, the Samus that's a woman vs the Samus that's a warrior, isn't it necessary to explore it eventually?

No.

Biology gives such a broad template, you have bubch of urges but it is entirely up to society to decide which of those if any are allowed to show and how in public life.

It's as "possible" as giving Link characterization.

As in possible but not desirable at all

Will Nintendo hardware ever have the power to render Samus' ass in all the fidelity it deserves, complete with beautiful reflections and sub-visibility creases and imperfections in the suit?

Problem with giving a Nintendo protagonist a personality is that either the Western or Eastern audience will hate it, you can't satisfy both.
Americans love gung-ho confident wise cracking action heroes, Japs want sensitive and cool quiet types.

>Not a human?

She's heavily genetically modified anyway. And she's a fucking video game character to begin with.

They didn't give her characterization in Other M, they gave her a voice, which she used to ramble about nonsensical horseshit

>She's heavily genetically modified anyway
Still just a human with good genes.
What can she do besides use the power suit?

Well she has a shitton of bird person dna inside her along with a parasite plus all the things that happend to her body in the prime games

This was meant for

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
She is human in every way except some game texts. Her behavior and appearance are both totally human.

Go back to Gaia you fucking frogposter.

Yep i guess half elves and halflings are human they mostly act human they look pretty human and walk like a human
But wait samus has almost never acted like a normal human

There aren't even any frogs in this thread, you goober.

Samus behaves pretty much the same as any other human aside from anything having to do with the power suit.
There are plenty of bounty hunters.

Samus is a genetic super warrior with a suit of power armor that makes Iron Man look like a bitch when fully upgraded.

She's not a human.
She can still have human emotions. Sue can even show fear when necessary, even Doomguy tends to show that brief moment of "The fuck is that?" hesitation at Cyber Demons. But she shouldn't be having a mental breakdown at the sign of Ridley.

Sorry, there's so many fucking pieces of shit running around the boards now I'm having trouble telling between the mouthbreathers and the assholes.

Her suit doesn't matter as to her nature.
A suit of armor doesn't make you any more or less human.

Yeah samus acts like a psychopath which is still human
Half elves and halflings also act like a human
Well some of the suits iron man wears is way too op for samus not universe tier but still too much for samus

Yeah the x parasites chozo dna every bit of corruption from the prime games and much much more

>Well some of the suits iron man wears is way too op for samus

Not really, Chozo tech is basically magic.
Iron man's suits have a pseudo-magical power source, but otherwise are regular old steel. A single beam cannon blast would fuck them.

One of iron mans basic suits survived blasts from rune king thor the dude who can smack around the hulk and destroy planets with a smack he fights dr doom one of the best magic users in the universe not dormammu tier but about early 2000's dr strange tier

The suit doesn't change her nature.
But it does allow enemies to fear the fuck out of her regardless of her nature.

"Enemies fear her" isn't really part of her character though.
I guess it's part of how the world perceives her. A kind of 'third person' characterization.
What's really crucial is giving Samus a personality though. Any real, bankrolled Metroid game will require that.

I want Samus to bounce her ass in my face while I watch. And then afterwards we could hang out at my house and watch The Room on TV while being drunk, laughing it up and having a good time. Then late at night, we would have a pillow fight in bed and sleep together while I squish her soft, supple ass cheeks. That would be amazing. Why can't Samus be real? What reason is there to live if I can't ever have the woman of my dreams?

>"Beauty Mark" which is really a gross, hairy mole
>Sagging breasts
>wearing high heels to hide her fat, flabby ass
>mid 2000's office worker hairstyle

At this point they might as well re-boot the series.

>And then afterwards we could hang out at my house and watch The Room on TV
I think Samus would only want to stay in her ship, and probably watch space-flick documentaries about crime and/or great bounty hunters.

She should not have a detailed characterization. She should simply be the lonely revenge driven raised by bird gods autist warrior in a cool suit. Metroid is about the gameplay not the characters.

nothing wrong with those things

I'll accept 'fat', but this is not flabby.

>Metroid is about the gameplay not the characters.
It can be about both. Modern games have to be about both.

"A Link to the Past" could get away with having no characterization for the same reason "Metroid" could: because game budgets were ultra low at that time, and you needed to pick either writers or gameplay coders.
Now game budgets are hundreds of millions and you need to have both.

You care too much about others opinions
Nintendo doesn't care about those so called "fans"
If they want to explore samus characterization they will

>Nintendo doesn't care about those so called "fans"
Nintendo cares about making money more than anything else in the world.

The concept of Metroidvania is not really compatible with "modern games" though.

I want to fap to Samus

She does have a character
Lack of emotion does not mean lack of personality

Sure, but the franchise itself is. Metroid would do fine as an FPS or an adventure game.

No, her being an extremely skilled/intelligent hunter feared by her enemies that just happens to be a sexy lady is the best way to handle her.

You can't masturbate to a bounty hunter, anonymous. That's not what they're for.

You can't cheat good writing.

Literally, LITERALLY just give her The Major's personality and ALL will be well.

I'd rather it stayed dead than to be defiled like that.

Fans don't even represent the 5% of the sales

This, ice cold Samus is best Samus.

I can agree with this user 100%.

No one gives a shit.

Now post the good stuff.

Samus should be a character who is always suffering. Her normal life stopped when she was four years old, and probably she is mentally frozen at that age in some ways. She should always be yearning for the normal life that she was denied.

She's a girl who probably has horrible fear of space pirates ever since what she saw happen to her parents, but she forces herself to face them because she doesn't want other children suffering her fate. Her entire existence centers around that. She even left the federation and became a solo bounty hunter because the federation's regulations didn't allow her to go as far as she wanted.

Even if it wasn't for the suit and the Chozo gene mods, she would never stand a chance of being a normal or healthy person

Fusion already did it and did it well.

nice headcanon

I always felt like these three end screens had a lot of personality you could extrapolate from.

Sorry that the game's lore contradicts your mental image of Samus as an emotionally-bulletproof surrogate mother for you.

Those were made by one underpaid CG artist, not a writer.

stfu sexy fag your views of character design and women are distorted

Fuck off, the Major is an annoying pretentious cunt, and Ghost in the Shell is boring as fuck.

Other M apologists always try to argue the strawman that Samus is hated because she didn't fit our presumptions. But the truth of the matter is, Samus was Characterized POORLY. Characterization isn't this on and off switch between no character and character. Just because they gave her more lines in Other M, that doesn't mean it was good. That's not the only way to portray Samus.

A good character is one that wins over the audience, and she couldn't do it.

>Characterization isn't this on and off switch between no character and character.

How do you characterize someone 100% of the time, when for the majority of the game they're totally hidden behind a suit?

samus is already being ruined by overuse of zerosuit, other m tier shit only ranks second in things-shitting-up-metroid

I want to cum inside midna

>it's a "brainwashed American is sure that the character being too sexy is the issue here" episode

You can explore her more feminine side without making her into a giant crybaby who freaks out when the enemy she has fought like 5 times beforehand shows up. You can also do that without making her a huge fucking retard who is subservient to some other fucking retard who thinks he knows when it'll be best for Samus to use her power ups and not when Samus encounters a thing or situation where she herself could toggle the thing on to put herself in less danger.

The Major is the perfect balance of bad ass and sex appeal.

t. liked Other M because it was almost Resident Evil + Metroid

I just want more Zero Suit.

And Zero Suit cosplay.

Just do what Other M did, but better. Have Samus talk to herself. With better writing and voice acting, it's fine. Make her comments contextual to her environment. So she's reacting to things as you play.
Maybe she hums a tune when nothing is happening because she's bored.

If Samus talking to herself is too weird for you, then you can make it so she talks to her ship's AI. They can have a rapport.

When Samus goes to save points, she should update her scans and other journal entries with personal notes. This way, if you really want to get in her head, you can take a break to read what she wrote before moving on.

>Other M apologists always try to argue the strawman that Samus is hated because she didn't fit our presumptions. But the truth of the matter is, Samus was Characterized POORLY. Characterization isn't this on and off switch between no character and character. Just because they gave her more lines in Other M, that doesn't mean it was good. That's not the only way to portray Samus.

Holy shit this, made even worse with the fact that it the first time she had any real voice to herself, so the first impressions were abysmal.

"w-whats your p-p-problem with a character being warped by fan service, are y-you a...prude?"

fuck off retard, all screen time in zero-suit-fan-service-mode is screen time not spent on the worthwhile parts of Metroid. How many zero suit piccys have you saved on your mom's pc you fucking loser?

Zero suit is the one thing you can be sure isn't going away. Even if the protagonist of Metroid changes (and I hate to say it, but that might happen) she'll have a zero suit. Might look a little different but still skintight colored vacuum suit.

She's a massive cunt, and the only reason anyone tolerates her bullshit, is they want to fuck her robot ass.

>Other M Apologists
My ACfag radar is off the charts. Do not engage, I repeat do not engage.

>All discussions of how Samus' personality should be portrayed always end up in extremes

Shit sucks.

>Literally, LITERALLY just give her The Major's personality

What personality? She has no personality. All she is is "serious business always, no fun ever". That's not a personality, that's a mental problem.

You could just pull a Metal Gear Solid. Flesh out the squad mates and give her a Otacon and Mei Ling to bounce off of. Hell even the character whom you would never ever call had a lot of shit to say

I always thought that the best dialogue is with enemies, in the same way that a book has to contain some kind of conflict to be entertaining.

Maybe Samus could have conversations with the parasite, which manifests itself as a 'dark' side of her personality, representing her fears and hangups. But eventually she realizes that the parasite was helping her to get over those things by confronting them (because what good parasite tries to kill its host?)

Then the parasite gets upgraded to symbiote status and they become BFFs

Shut up faggot. Unlike ACfag, I actually like the Prime series, and would like to see that model slightly retooled for more open exploration and refined. Don't try distract from the fact that Other M apologists always make the same retarded argument again and again.
>You just don't like Samus in Other M, because she didn't fit your expections.
No! I'm open to them completely blowing away my expectations. But they didn't. They failed.

>That's not a personality

Yes it is. Being a stoic person who takes their job serious is in fact a personality. Just because she's not quipping and joking every two seconds doesn't mean she's got a mental issue. It just means there are space pirates everywhere so shut up if you don't want to die.

why do you care about personality for characters in a videogame? Is gaming so dull for you, you afraid to admit that you don't like them anymore and would rather watch a film or masturbate to your beloved waifu material then press buttons?

are you actually fucking retarded? did you ACTUALLY watch any of GitS or are you just baiting for (You)s?

there are many demonstrable facts that society can turn anybody (you) into A WOMAN

Not him but he's right, kusanagi has zero personality

I want to avoid introducing real people. The idea should always be that Samus is alone. I'm ok with an AI, because it's not something that can physically save her if she's in trouble, or be a comforting presence beyond conversation. Plus, it can't fully connect with her on a human level. So she is still alone, even with the AI.

You could try starting with something less retarded than BABY BABY BABY BABYBABY BABYBABY BABYBABY BABYBABY BABYBABY BABYBABY BABY followed by I HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS ONE DICK'S ORDERS EVEN IF I LITERALLY DIE followed by OH JESUS I'M SO AFRAID OF AN ENEMY THAT I'VE FOUGHT SEVEN TIMES BEFORE AND ALWAYS BEATEN

Not true at all, sorry. That's a biological thing.

It is pretty fucking pathetic. Only complete autismos and hack writers would care about this shit.
I guess if you have nothing going on in your life you'd care about it.

The problem with AI is that it always ends up being something like Cortana and if that's the case we're better of just with a crew of real human operatives

I've watched all of it. Motoko fucking Kusanagi has no personality at all. None. She's a fucking robot who shows no emotion ever. Only time she kind of had a glimmer of a personality was in the original manga, which might as well be a separate universe.

After actually watching Ghost in the Shell I honestly don't get why anyone would want to bone her
Not only does she not have any sex holes aside from a mouth, her whole personality is just a major boner killer, like even with her completely uneeded tits out I'm just majorly turned off from her all the time

Not him
But but that and zero personality is the same

People hated her story in Other M because the writing was shit and the voice acting was awkward as hell.
I don't think there are many people that would have a problem with a well-done Samus backstory.

ACfag likes Prime while in Other M witchunt Mode, he only swaps to Prime hate when that fails.
ACfaggotry is more of a bait methodology now anyway so even if you aren't him, you're still sucking his dick for (you) gains.

Or... Get this crazy idea. *don't* make it like Cortana. Make it something that is close to human, but always reveals its limitation.