So did Valve just throw this one to the dogs and leave it?

So did Valve just throw this one to the dogs and leave it?

They announced their new game Artifact at a DOTA2 event, where people were DOTA2 fans and didn't care. The reaction was bad online too, and people bashed them for releasing this game, and not a new Half Life game.
And now Valve just stopped releasing any sort of information at all?

Its meant to release in months, "early 2018". Supposedly there is a playable version that a bunch of DOTA2 people they work with have tried and tested.
Where are the screenshots? Where is the concept art? Where are the comics, and trailers, and easter eggs in other games to promote it? Zero marketing.

Did Valve decide to not go along with it because of the bad initial reception, like they did with paid mods?

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I hope.

>i hope a game doesn't exist, because i hate games

I disagree. I hope it exists, and I hope its good.

youtube.com/channel/UCGNR4V-cCifhwtrojT2geYA/videos
They created this YouTube channel to host the trailer, and it has zero other videos, for nearly 4 months now.

Do they plan some big surprise, like integrating their card game with Steam trading cards? Is that why they don't want to release info early?

Maybe, but honestly if they arent completely retard they could make it big.
Hearthstone is the only large sized competitor, and given the horrible balance, braindead gameplay amd RNG, and prohibitive price of it, an actual good TCG could be neat

>he wants another hearthstone clone

>he thinks "card game" means "hearthstone clone"

Casuals begone.

I hope it fails so hard the Valve start making video games that aren't based entirely around microtransactions again

I hope it has trading and a actually pretty good card game so it can give Hearthstone competition. One of the reasons I don't want to spend any money on Hearthstone is because your cards are worth nothing and the pack system is shit.

>Break a SIX year lull in releases with a card game
>a card game based on a game like dota

more money than sense

Valve make so much money they can do completely retarded shit and not care
Apparently they're making 3 VR games, but according to Gabe they might fail and he's okay with that
If 0 people played Artifact, nothing at Valve would change, they're a ghost of a game company

Not interested in more shit card games. They'rea ll so fucking boring and slow and money-grubbingly annoying.

I also just don't like dota 2 though.

wow yeah i cant wait to sell the cards for steam fun bucks

braindead gameplay and RNG is what makes Hearthstone popular. You don't need to be good to win

Valve doesn't typically do press releases or teasers like most game companies. They just let people know when they have finished their work.

They should have waited until the game was presentable and actually showcase why the game is worth giving a shit about instead of smugly just showing a logo thinking people will get excited. Glad they got btfo by the reaction.

They have item trading already in place, that's probably going to be one of their big draws.
The game has to be fun as well I suppose

There's a thought. The only possible way I'd enjoy this game is if it was a card game that used all the hundreds of Steam cards on Steam. Each with their own special abilities and strengths.

>another digital Magic: the Gathering clone

Valve is probably conniving up ways for it to use the Steam Trading Cards. maybe make junkbinning Steam cards to transform them into tokens to buy Dota2: The Trading Card Game cards. Basically Gems, but Gems for Artifact.

except that would encourage people to hoard cards rather than craft badges, which means that fewer booster packs will be randomly generated, which means that fewer cards will enter the market, which will ultimately destroy the presence of cards, emotes, backgrounds, etc in the steam marketplace
they would never think to make a game that incorporates the steam marketplace as a core gameplay feature precisely because their sterilised economy is vulnerable to exploitation already, and even with their financial advisers this is a very experimental system operating on a platform essentially unheard of before internet transactions became commonplace

>I hope it has trading

OP here.
If it doesn't have trading, I won't even try it. Its why I quit Hearthstone after just a few weeks of playing. Their disenchanting/dust system was too inefficient to heal the pain of getting a duplicate, and because of no trading you couldn't really play with your friends other than cheap 1 match duels. There is no community to Hearthstone, and can't be any by design.

Trade or no play.

it's gonna be super ironic if it becomes a new Half Life 3

Whats the source on that 3 VR games claim?

Valve lets its employees join and leave projects whenever they want, its why nothings getting fucking done. Chairs on wheels my ass

This. People were prasing its hippy dippy system for years but it sucks

lmgtfy.com/?q=valve 3 vr games

You'll feel funny when they release 3 games in the next 3 years.

So your source is Polygon, Reddit and Kotaku?
Because if it was anything else, you might want to mention it, instead of linking me to Polygon, Reddit and Kotaku.

Never happening

Not an argument.

They will release a game each year for the next three years. Screencap this.

>It's wrong because I don't like the source
Are you retarded?

You need to relax dude.
Currently the rumors are one of those VR games is Budget Cuts

They already have a playable demo/alpha since one of the caster during the last TI played the game and described how it plays (either that or Valve just told him to say it from a script).

The baffling thing is they don't actually show any gameplay to at least hype it more. Heck, even a cinematic teaser like Dota 2's would be better than a game title teaser.

youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo

it warms my heart every time. The EPIC music, the palpable disappointment. It's just perfect

gabe newell said it himself in numerous interviews, google it

>Valve start making video games that aren't based entirely around microtransactions again
Lmao. Valve doesn't need to make games anymore, period. CSGO, DOTA, TF2 (to an extent) and Steam are making them so much money they can do whatever the fuck they want

Neither is linking to Google when challenged.

There's a market niche for an online cardgame that isn't babymode and provides the player with powerful options, so hopefully they do that if anything. What's frustrating is that the new Magic game they're releasing is dumbed down hearthstone level shit, apparently. Why don't people understand that you can't compete with hearthstone by doing the same thing? Shit's stupid.

How very money-grabbey of them.

>What's frustrating is that the new Magic game they're releasing is dumbed down hearthstone level shit
Which, unless you already have the certified sales like Valve does just by being Valve, is the only way to make a successful virtual card game. Any normie/casual can pick up Hearthstone and have fun with it. MTG requires a fuckton of rules, exceptions and mechanics to remember, at least in comparison. Your basic vidya consumer will play a game like magic for 20 minutes and go "yeah, fuck that I'm going back to HS"

it was the trollest announcement of all the time

What do you think of Gwent's chances?
Their rules are very simple, its mostly the bluffing that makes it "deep".

Devs think online card games are a market when Hearthstone is 1/3 Blizzard fanboyism, 1/3 WoW nostalgia and 1/3 people actually wanting to play a card game

The magic rules are only hard to juggle because of working out when stuff happens and the phases of play. This wouldnt be an issue in a computer game because the system handles it. In addition: it would be much easier to handle things like keywords as you can just mouse over them. But honestly I'd like to see an online card game do things tgat can't be done in physical card games too, really embrace it yknow? A magic clone would be nice but sonething different that wasn't dumbed down would be better.

1/3 of Hearthstone's playerbase is more than any game on Steam right now.

>The magic rules are only hard to juggle because of working out when stuff happens and the phases of play. This wouldnt be an issue in a computer game because the system handles it.

It would be an issue when I am sitting on a complex card, and I am wondering if I should play it or not.
Like in Hearthstone, imagine you hold a spell that says "Deal 6 damage to all minions. Give all your minions +6 health" and the board has minions on both sides.
Do I keep mine? Do they get damaged for 6, go into negative health, then healed for 6, go into positive health, and continue existing?
The game handles it automatically, but I need to know in advance how it works so I can decide if the play is good.

Not an argument either.

I dont think so

Dota fans don't care about other games than Dota. They're legitimately fanatical.

People said the same of WoW before Hearthstone came out.

Let's hope it just dies a quick death.
No sane person would ask for another fucking digital ccg spawned from nowhere.
Fuck Artifact, and fuck those moneygrabbing pieces of shit trying ot push down our throats their schemes.

Well there is the simple fact of: this problem isn't a problem for long. Use it and you'll very quickly know for absolutely every time it comes up in future. However: this is solved by consistent and clear wording. For example I would assume that your card does six damage and then adds health in that order because that's the order they're stated. I think most would too, but it is vauge. This is solved by using words like AND and THEN or AT THE SAME TIME. Stuff like that. Accessability is an issue of conveyance rather than content in things like cardgames. As a side note too: I've noticed plenty of people fall over the same pitfalls in Hearthstone too. I think i have once or twice too, didn't stop them.

The difference is that people actually cared about Half-Life 3.

dota player, can confirm we dont give a shit about the card game, waste of effort on valves part

>For example I would assume that your card does six damage and then adds health in that order because that's the order they're stated. I think most would too, but it is vauge.

The problem is when the battlefield updates:
>card deals 6 damage
>minions die
>card buffs empty board for 6 health

This is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make the first time. That the minions would update (and thus die) every time they take damage.
It is uncertain if the spell will complete before any updates are made. Some spells, like Magic Missile (deal 1 damage 3 times) updates the minion after every damage dealt, not at once in the end.

Basically you are ensuring that every single player will make the same mistake at least once before learning, which is a shitty way to run things.

You ignored the rest of what I said, which addesses that very line of reasoning.

I hope that it tanks very publicly. The more publicity it can get and then followed by people mad about it and asking for Half Life 3 and vowing not to support valve any more unless HL3 comes out would maybe spur them into action.

All we need to do is somehow tank steam sales and demand half life 3 before we start using steam again. It'll never happen and everyone is going to keep going about it all as per usual but that'd be a way to get valve to stop the bullshit.

Mark Laidlaw's Episode 3 tweet was as close as we'll ever get to it. At the very least it's some closure. As sad as it is that half life is dead, at least it's not stuck on a cliffhanger.

I think they have the chance to make an actual Trading Card Game with Steam market being thing and all, now is that a good thing or not I can't say. TCGs have always been like the grandfather to this modern DLC bullshit we have in video games after all.

It's interesting at least

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not PUBG baby

Hearthstone probably has 3 million + players, so even PUBG.

everyone who plays ASSFAGGOTS need to die a painful dead so that pc gaming can pick itself up again
>w-what are you talking about? steam is bigger than ever!
steam is fucking cancer, an emulated console platform if you will
I want to go back to a time where pc exclusives weren't just ASSFAGGOTS and shitty indie games
back when pc gaming and console gaming were seperate markets

>everyone who plays X genre I don't play should die a painful death

Wisdom of the ages.

Could be good but depends on the executing. I don't need yet another HS clone.

Valve doesn't belive in hype or marketing or communication. Kek.
The worst part is that redditfags will literally kiss their ass if they do decide to come down from the mountain, which don't really help to encourage a change.

Valve doesn't need to advertise Artifact. When it's done they can shove so many ads up your ass you'll be dreaming about it.

I hope it's good.

What are you even talking about you sperg

>hope it's good.
me too
hope it has multiple zones to the game board and multiple options for each card
instead of it all just being "this is where you pile all the creatures" and "all you can do is crash them into each other"

Redditors are so used to the karma system, when the come here they continue to virtue signal.
On Sup Forums, not liking MOBAs is a virtue, so these newfags have to announce loud, clear and often how much they hate MOBAs, unaware that they are anonymous and nobody gives a shit.

Seriously, make a DOTA2 thread and more than half of the people who will enter this thread and post in it will say HAHA I NEVER PLAYED THIS GAME ITS SO SHIT THAT I NEVER PLAYED IT WHAT SHIT GAME.

It will probably have some AI battle going on three lanes, and you have to switch between them to kill enemies for gold, then use the gold to play cards.
So like balancing three boards, and getting mana not by drawing lands or some each turn, instead getting mana by killing enemies.

It can be good I think. We'll see. Very cautious atm, as long as it has trading I'll try it, but my hype levels are low until I see gameplay.

Just fuck you.

no one ever says "hehe i never played fuck you"
people who hate assfaggots are usually the ones who burned out on them, not ones who never played it

>D-DOTA CARD GAME!

There's a slight chance that they will make a card game for adults since it's Valve and they have a built in fanbase. Although if they want to cater to the HS audience there's no chance we will get any of the depth and intricacies that the true TCG player wants. Most people can't read a line of text without shitting themselves in confusion.

>valve
>text

When was that ever the case?

>every consensus on Sup Forums is wrong
>if I see a reply that's in line with Sup Forums's consensus it's just an underage newfag redditor trying to fit in
>every point of criticism of my favorite game is now completely moot

GUARANTEED there is a poster who posts a smug animu face and writes "post yfw you didn't fall for the moba meme" or something like that, then samefags until others start supporting his shitpost.

In context to card games and particularly the average HS player. It all depends on what demographic they go for.

Autism

>every consensus on Sup Forums is right every time
>if I see a reply that's in line with Sup Forums's consensus it's a physics professor laying down the cold hard facts while getting a blowjob from a model
>every point of criticism of my favorite game is completely factual and undeniable, especially when it comes from someone claiming not to have played said game

youtube.com/watch?v=4Je9A1Lk-v0

It makes me sad that more people are hyped about a stale first person shooter like half life over a TCG with actual trading elements over steam. Don't like microtransactions? Just trade your shit with other players.

I liked the idea of the game. A card game where you control different boards that are akin to lanes in-game. I've never played a moba but it seems fun enough. It being in the Dota universe looks like they're trying to take notes from Blizzard on the way they're shoving and tying their universe together what with Hearthstone being based off WoW and HotS having WoW characters in it. Gabe's probably jewish enough for a Dota universe MMO to go after more cosmetics money.

Now this is some primo bait right here

>dude if I just reply with his points but reversed I'll win the argument!
>now I don't have to actually think and question whether criticism of dota is more than just shitposting
I bet you're also one of those faggots that shits on LoL players constantly, honestly believing he's 'above' them for playing a different MOBA game

>being this mad about a genre you don't like
Stop posting and do something productive with your life

>his points

What points? You are strawmanning, and I did the same thing to remind you how retarded it is.
Nobody said that ALL criticism is false. Nobody said ALL consensus is false.

Your non argument is to invent an opinion that doesn't exist, mock that non-existent opinion you just made up, and act as if you won some price.

I will enjoy the shit out of Artifact, I am eagerly waiting for it, and there is nothing that Sup Forums can do about it.

How do you know that, when we have no fucking idea what it will play like?
You are worse than them. Not really, but please temper your autism.