These two games are very similar, yet one is a timeless hit while the other a shameful failure

These two games are very similar, yet one is a timeless hit while the other a shameful failure.

Why?

Because you either have bad taste or are poor.

Both were great.

More like a timeless shit

Skyrim isn't a failure, it's just been rehashed so many times that people have gotten tired of it.

Because Skyrim had better markketing and memes. People will like everything that has memes.

They're both extremely different than their first counterparts.
They're both casualized trash.
They're both a bit fun to mess around with.
They're both better than their previous releases (Skyrim > Oblivion, F4 > F3) but significantly worse than older games.
Skyrim rapes the lore a lot less than F4
Skyrim is significantly worse looking than F4
F4 has significantly worse mods than Skyrim

They're about in the same level of shit, I can't even differentiate them more than that.

>F4>F3

Fallout 4 was hyped much more than Skyrim.

>Skyrim > Oblivion, F4 > F3

No it wasn't.

It's pretty simple, Skyrim landscape. Skyrim has green valleys and snowy mountains.

It's a cool setting and perfect for many mods, espessially sex mods.

Fallout 4 is a grime dust bowl with no color or cool landscapes. Not fun for many mods or sex mods.

You're a retard, every single talking point was just so stupid, so poorly put together, and you babbled inanely about so many things that didn't matter that I'm going to go put a bullet in my head to fix myself having read that. Recommending you do the same.

Skyrim writing was ok but fallout 4 writing was just god awful

it also runs like dogshit for no reason.
no
fallout 4 mods are pretty much just gun retextures at this point, no one but shooter gags care about it, the rest of us wanted you know, a real rpg

>both were great

they were both shallow trash, probably just like you

One of those is the Elder Scrolls while the other is Call of Duty and Minecraft wearing the skin of Fallout like a suit.
Everything else about is fairly similar. They were both put through the streamlining gangbag, they both still manage to be buggy and unstable as hell, they both represent huge gouges in the quality of Roleplaying power, but one of them isn't pretending to be something it's not. Skyrim for all its faults is still an elder scrolls game. Fallout 4 is not a fallout game.

Because fallout used to be good. TES never was.

>e-everything you s-s-said was wrong because it hurt my feelings and was about my favorite game!

take a long walk off a short pier

>Skyrim
>Multiple cities
>Can randomly bump into dragons
>Explore and find random little quests scattered around outside cities
>Each big city has different quests

>Fallout 4
>Literally only one city in the entire game
>Most quests are in said city
>No reason to explore because every random location has raiders, mutants, ghouls, or cybirgs

I wonder why

At least fallout had some non-linear equipment progression, at least until you get the ability to make mk5 ballistic weave and you have a deadeye guards rifle or 100000 fusion cores because they drop more often than bottle caps

>Skyrim 21,046
>Fallout 4 18,321

How is a 6 year old game beating a 2 year old game?

Name 3 memorable fallout 4 armors/clothing

Fallout 4 is the best game I have ever played.

Previously this title belonged to the Last of Us but now, as I sit tired and addicted, needing to get to class but wanting to spend untold hours of my life on this game, I can honestly say it's the best game I've ever played. I'm supposed to be working on my business. I'm supposed to be working on my script. But damn if i just don't want to fall back in to Fallout. The whole thing just blows me away. The story, the visuals, the creativity and the DEEP care and thoughtfulness that Bethesda took in creating this masterpiece is just too much.

Bethesda is a learning organization, they learned not just from their own failures and success but the successes and failures of others as well. They payed attention to what people were saying and they improved beyond my wildest dreams. I honestly don't know where to begin in my grand list of praises. I could talk about the extraordinary characterizations. I could talk about all the little moments that mean so much. I could talk about the outrageously amazing factions, and your place in them. I could talk about the way the music hits the right notes when you enter different areas. I could talk about the compelling drive to find Shaun out there, and the way I beat Kellog to death with my own to hands. The exceptional voice acting. Taking Psycho, "Fucking Kill!". Ramming a Super Mutant Overlord off a 4 story structure with Power Armor, and just when he hits the ground and thinks he can breath a bit, I slam down on his chest, with explosive vents. When some punk raider thinks he can run up on you and you put his lights out with the end of your rifle. Trembling as a deathclaw throws you like a football. Making Curie blush. Seducing Magnolia. Flying around Boston in a Vertibird. Talking code with the railroad. That sense of restoring hope. It's all just too much. I'm guess I'm a fan boy for real.

this six yr old one is fun.
Well it can be fun.
The 2 yr old one is tedious.

Mods. Skyrim has a bunch of different semen demon mods, but for some reason almost every female face in F4 looks painfully similar.

this is not true at all, it's the same fucking level scaling skyrim has

Because despite its many flaws, Skyrim remained an RPG
F4 didn't.

Amount of content is a big one, in fallout 4 somewhere around the 40 hour mark I opened my quest list and realised I had done pretty much anything and everything worth a damn. In contrast Skyrim has so much fucking shit in it it's retarded.

Ah yes I love traveling to draugr tombs to retrieve quest items ad infinitum

>This game is bad
>Why?
>because it's shit

Retard, Skyrim didn't casualize nothing. The fucking shit people post on Sup Forums...

>one is a timeless hit while the other a shameful failure
By that logic, New Vegas is a horrific bomb because it was eclipsed in sales and review scores by Toddout 4.

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I never mentioned the quality of the content.

Fallout 4 does not "rape the lore" because the Fallout lore was always patchy and inconsistent in the first place. Even New Vegas suffers from it.

my biggest gripe with skyrim is the magic.
why did they choose to make spells equipable entities like weapons.

if i want to be a mage or a character that relies on buffs or conjuration/alteration magic, i have to use the atrocious menu system to equip different spells. why did they not implement a hotkey system for spells and buffs?

Ah I see, well we're on the same page then

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Holy shit, what percentage of the screen does that gun actually take up?

Oblivion and Fallout 3 are some of the objectively worst games ever made.

Consoles. Don't act as if it's something new or unique to Toddrim.

at least 40.
You wanna know what's even more hilarious?
That sight actually takes up less of the screen than the sight the gun usually comes with.

It's a shitty gun anyway, nobody uses it but synth NPCs.

>That sight actually takes up less of the screen than the sight the gun usually comes with.
Somehow, I don’t find this to be too unbelievable, considering this is BeTHEsda GAME Studios we’re taking about here.

two words: scaled difficulty

one has a universe that doesn't need to be explained because of LOLmagic and the other is science fiction universe with a vast history

man that example is weak

holy shit my sides. Post more.

The true, best opinion is to judge a game on it's merit for you the individual. Did you like Fallout 4? Did you hate Skyrim? At the end of the day, we're the ones consuming, and if I find Skyrim and Fallout 4 fun and enjoyable games worth my time and money, then who am I myself to complain.

This is NOT denying any criticisms of either game (before some smartass jumps at the opportunity), My point is just enjoy the shit you like.

New Vegas level scaling works best.

Why the fug is every gun in this game left handed?

Also, someone post the lever action rifle webm. You know the one.

>Also, someone post the lever action rifle webm. You know the one.

You can fix it easy with a mod ya know.

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Well yeah it will. Sure we can all point and laugh at a bad animation Bethesda did and left it for us to fix, but that was a while ago.

Do you get hard from this?

In what universe was Fallout 4 a shameless failure

Don't you know, it's a shameless failure because some random fuck on Sup Forums said so, here in the corner of the internet no one ever goes to anymore.

It's all memes here, hating companies is a meme, and despite people complaining about Whales and crates, they don't offer anything that would try to fix the problem, even if they did, no one's going to listen, it's money to feed their families, damned by the community so long as that one guy is putting money into a game.

>Pay $60 to enter an amusement park
>Continue to pay for each individual ride

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And doctors say you shouldn't punch kids.

It was universally reviled by fans, go look at the user score over on Metacritic for it. It basically eroded any credibility that Bethesda had left, sure it sold well but people won't fall for Todd's tricks twice.

Jesus christ im crying

I haven't played Skyrim past the part where you learn your first shout but I've completed all the Fallout games at least once.

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If I have the money and I like the Amusement park sure.

Sure the Workshop DLCs were wearing, but Nuka World and Far Harbor were pretty fun.

Also your amusement park comparison is about as poignant as a food comparison.

kek fuck that dog

One is very similar to the previous entry in the series, the other said "fuck it" and screwed with anything and everything without a care.

Fallout 4 had excellent marketing.
There were even full- coverage posters on the trams in my city for months.
The game was just garbage.

Different user.
Considering Bethesda's design philosophy, it really isn't.

>go look at the user score over on Metacritic for it

You really think user scores on metacritic are an accurate measure of everyone's feelings on a game? It's a special breed of autist that feels the need to write a user review and the vast majority of the market are not that and probably don't share their sentiments either.

Both series are making leaps and bounds to get to the shittiest iteration of themselves Bethesda can possibly crank out and the world will be a better place when Bethesda finally takes them out to pasture.

>taking away stats and choices isn't casualization
Also, ellipses aren't used like that,
kid.

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If they cared what the fans think they wouldn’t continue to push paid mods, and if paid mods proves anything it’s that people will continue to lap up whatever they put out, Todd’s lies be damned.

I’d say an Amusement Park is a fair comparison, their cities being prime examples

>what if we built a city around a bomb
>what if we built a city in a decommissioned ship
>what if we built a city in a baseball field
>what if we built a city that was a noire crime alley

Every major settlement they have done in Fallout 3 and 4 has oozed the word “gimmicky” as you walk through them.

There's quite a lot more to do in Skyrim when compared to Fallout 3 or 4.

Fallout 3s endgame is cleaning up a bunch of sidequests and boy does it not have many of them. Fallout 4s endgame content is basically relegated to building settlements like something out of the Sims or improving the look and functionality of your power armor. There are limited side quests lines and more radiant quests than anything.

In Skyrim you can focus on your trade skills, buy a house and customize it, marry someone, adopt kids, do a ridiculous number of side quests including faction quests and daedric lord quests, build up your spell list, complete your werewolf / vampire talents and learn more words of power.

Oblivion was actually pretty shit

Side quests and OST aside, Skyrim was a strict upgrade compared to Oblivion in every single way.

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That's actually fucking cool

For me, it really comes down to what I expect out of both series. For TES, I want atmosphere and exploration. For Fallout, I want character building and good writing. Skyrim manages a decent atmosphere with the art design of the cities, indoor environments, and general world's nature and weather. Exploring isn't very fun, but there is something to be said for the feeling of discovering a new word wall or stumbling into a dungeon that has minor puzzles in the ruins. Hell, just walking around the tundras could be an experience at times with how the weather and music comes together. It's not good, but it still manages some of the parts of why I like TES.

Fallout 4 manages nothing I like about the series. Character building is awful due to a lack of karma, lack of skills, boring perks, lack of differentiation in dialogue choices, and lack of choice consequence. The best you can be is a sarcastic douche who still agrees to help everyone. Good writing is also nonexistent. There are so many characters I actually, genuinely hate with a passion that they force you to interact with. The faction's motives are shit and make little sense. Dialogue is reduced to general agreement, sarcastic agreement, no, and a generic why question. Hell, it can't even keep its own lore together with multiple side quests that contradict important concepts that the series made clear in past games. It delivers nothing about what I like about Fallout, and goes even further to feel lazily put together. The game as a whole looks pale and washed out, nearly every location is a slightly curved line that leads to a box with randomized loot at the end, companions are incredibly poorly thought out with some hating you if you fucking lockpick a door, music is rehashed from older games, settlement building is shit and barely gives you room to make anything notable, the radiant quest shit is fucking everywhere, and so much more. It's such a messy game.

Skyrim also has more mods, so yeah.

You say that like it'll be so come Fallout 5. Also do you mean the same "fans" as those that bitched and moaned about Fallout 3? YEAH that stopped people from buying it, and New Vegas, and Fallout 4, and all their DLC's

What's the problem? She slid in through the broken glass

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>Skyrim’s main quest is better than Oblivion’s

terrible post

In 'Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim', there's an apprentice level Alteration spell that you can use to set up to three self-buff spells, like Stoneflesh or something, that auto-cast without using magicka as soon as you enter combat.
It's shit that you have to use mods, but hopefully you'll find some use out of it.

Side quests are a pretty big thing to shove to the side in a series that puts so much weight on them. Either way the difference between them is trivial compared to the dip the franchise took coming from something like Morrowind.

If I recall, they fixed that one by making it impossible to bring Dogmeat to the vault.

That's just your Jason Voorhees trait doing its job

if this was actually a thing, I would be really happy about it and think it was an amazing achievement.
But no one actually believes this is a thing. No one.

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Skyrim already lowered the bar as to what makes an RPG but Fallout 4 took it one step further.

>Skyrim
>Play archer
>Do literally 0 damage to dragons
Shit game, 0/0, fuck off, never talk about it again.

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>deathclaw takes fall damage
>this guy doesn't
???

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Nah, he just can't grab it anymore, because fuck using cool glitches to sequence break, even if there's no negative effects.

Let’s not pretend that TES hasn’t always blurred the line between RPG and Sandbox

Skyrim brought more than took away, stop shitposting.