Was it really that bad?

Was it really that bad?

Yes and you're a fag

I am still angery, my only solace is that there is no timeline with a good fallout 4 and Trump as president. The loss is acceptable. I have dreams about the "good fallout 4" I really do, it's fucking amazing, the iron sights, the non shitty gun customization, the survival aspects, and the soundtrack unmatchable, omg the wasteland is beautiful, but then I awake and am ripped back in to reality where I am still listening to FUCKING FALLOUT 3 songs, FUCKING I PLAYED THAT GAME FOR 600 hours, why would I want to hear those songs anymore???

Compared to Obsidian?
You bet.

The dialogue and faction interactions are super lacking

not it wasn't

...

If I had never played an RPG or any game other than an FPS in my entire life, I would probably have liked it a lot.

There is no "non shitty gun customization"
The gun cusomization inherently ruins the amazing pool of weapons that New Vegas (and 1/2) had, meaning with the 'EPIC GUN CUSTOMIZATION' bullshit we wouldn't get Thump-Thump, Mercy, Oh Baby! etc

The worst thing ever. Nuke Maryland.

I enjoy survival mode, but I also make sure to ignore its obvious flaws.

Not really

I'm sure there's a radio mod for Fallout 4 on the nexus, or if you're too fucking lazy for that just open up Spotify and type in "shit old music".

It's a better shooter than FO3 and a worse everything else.

I think they are trolling us. I just got tales of a junkyown jersey vendor out of the super duper mart

They could have put literally any other magazine there, and they chose the one fucking may that is post war. Not appropriate loot.

I think the gameplay is better in every way. Thevcrafting is 99% of what I wanted, but the story is just so trash. The senseless bandit slaying really pisses me off too.

Yes but no more than every single other thing thats been released for this gen

Sort of. It would almost be okay as an FPS if the balance wasn't so fucked.

>shit old music
>50s Atomic fear
fuck off. 50s atomic fear music is great, if not sadly for obvious reasons. (as fear of nuclear annihilation was at the top of everyones minds back then, moreso during the Cold War, though.)

The entire fallout series including 1/2 were never really that good

Ease up cunt, I was just taking a jab, ya don't need to get your panties in a bunch ya poofter

It wasn't a bad game, simply a disappointing Fallout game.
Combat was much improved though

If you buy the base game for cheap and pirate the DLC no.

Wait, you can pirate the DLC for the real game? I'm asking for a friend... of course..., a friend that bought the game and doesn't own the DLC.

Even 2 wasn't that good.

Yes you can, you only need to download them and put them on the Data folder and you are set, also check the ones you download are only the folders as if you are downloading a mod not the iso ones.

Yeah, cheers, that's good to know. I'd happily buy some DLC for it, but I've heard it's pretty underwhelming.

No,Sup Forums just hates everything current.

For instance, now people love FO: NV. when Fallout 5 comes out they'll love 4 and hate 5 etc

As a fallout game it fell pretty flat. The choice (or at least the believable illusion thereof) we were used to having was thrown to the fucking wind by lazy writers who decided a voiced PC wouldn't be a bad idea when they knew how much it would limit the dialog trees.

The economy was pretty well fucked as it took forever for the player to afford anything decent. A piece of combat armor that can be purchased for 2000 caps can only be sold for somewhere around 80. In general, you were always better cobbling your gear together out of what you found. Generally this meant you HAD to take the scavenger perk which meant spending the points to spec into Intelligence.

Settlement building was neat at first and for the people who REALLY enjoy minecraft style first-person building, provided hours of fun. Everyone else would have on mega settlement in sanctuary with as many water purifiers packed in it as possible since that is the only good way to get caps. Normal players didn't want to spend too much time investing in the settlements because one ofthe fun things about the old Fallout games were the subsequent playthroughs; so you'd have like a single playthrough where you actually put effort into settlement building, then never want to fucking touch it again.

Stealth was completely fucked over with the new design. the lack of compass pips for enemies (before they become aware of you) means you never can get a good idea of where enemies are until you are right up on them, and at that point, your follower was already charged into the fray and invited a hail of molotovs/grenades in your general direction.

Then there's the story. Family goes into the vault to escape the holocaust and become a vault-tec experiment? fine.
Some asshole wants to break into the vault and kidnap the low-hanging fruit of mutation-free DNA? Fine
Honestly, a lot of the general plot is fine until you get to the major factions of the commonwealth.

cont...

The only one worth your money is Far Harbor and maybe just maybe the robot one if you really want an overpowered companion besides that the rest is trash.

A) YES
B) NO (YES)
X) SARCASTIC (YES)
Y) MAYBE (YES)

yes, i even managed to complete fallout 3 but didn't have a chance to finish 4, it was complete and utter bullshit.

The robot one was good, epeshilly if you fight the Mechanist as the Silver Shroud.

Yes, yes it was

Yeah, well I didn't get much out of the original game so I really doubt I'd get anything out of them to be honest

I legit have never beaten that dlc without wearing the Shroud garb. I keep meaning to not do a Shroud playthrough, but the armor is just so good, and the cheesy Shroud lines help alleviate the pain of the dialogue system

Depends on what you call bad.
It was the worst Fallout game, it's no longer a RPG and shouldn't even be called Fallout. But if you look at it as a game, and not a Fallout game, well it's certainly not bad.
>solid gunplay (of course it's solid if it's not made by Bethesda)
>phenomenal sound design (like in every Bethesda game)
>a handful of very nice quests
>Piper is the greatest companion mankind has ever created
>I hear the DLCs are good, haven't played them

It's by no means a bad game, if someone tells you it is, they haven't played it. But it's shouldn't have been called Fallout

cont.

The minutemen were by far the best option of the four. Uniting and improving the settlements of the commonwealth to stand their ground against raiders, super mutants, and a bunch of trying-way-too-hard-to-be-assholes mercenaries. The goal was realistic, reasonable, and had a clear payoff. Even at the end, they didn't even pay the institute much mind so long as the settlements were left along and only decided to fuck them up in self-defense.

The capital wasteland chapter of the BoS either went full retard following the death of Elder Lyons, of the chapter you see in the commonwealth is a splinter group that stole liberty prime and flew off in a big-ass blimp like some sort of post-apocalyptic snidely whiplash. they want to destroy the institute? Fine, whatever; although capturing it would have been a much better idea. they want to destroy synths? Still fine, this bodysnatchers bullshit was frankly just kind of annoying. Like some 5 year-old wrote it.
>"...and the bad guys are these robots, but they don't look like robots, they look like people. and sometimes they don't know they're robots. and also, theres no way to tell if they're real or not, you just have to guess."
but then they have to just go off the deep end by outright oppressing the commonwealth as a whole.

The railroad isn't the worst faction but they far from the best. Their whole thing is to free a bunch of fucking robots and blow up the institute to keep them from following...and thats fucking it. They're shallow as fuck.

Then we have the goddamn institute. So much wasted potential here. Once Shaun passes directorhood to you, there is no good reason why the PC should not have been able to tell the department head to sit down, shut the fuck up, and listen to how things are going to get done around here. could have been a perfect opportunity to work with ANY of the other factions, even the BoS could have been reigned in.
to be cont.

>piper, a annoying, lying bitch
>good

It's a shitty game and I've played it and you're a fucking retard.

>cont.
Granted it would be under the idea of keeping advanced tech out of the hands of the shitheels on the surface but it would till be something. The railroad could have been worked with as well by either stopping the gen 3 synth program or at least recognizing their intelligence as more than an imitation. But beyond all of that, had the institute worked WITH the minute men fort he betterment of life on the surface, life could actually start to resemble as society where people are thriving, not just surviving. but no, they got pigeonholed into the objective bad guy slot that the legion was stuck in during the events of NV

Yeah, i kinda like having Codsworth transformed into an unstoppable murder machine with AoE healing.

>Piper is the greatest companion mankind has ever created
>Not Curie
just delet this post my dude

>piper, a annoying, lying bitch
t. curiefag

Drop it user, Piper will always be more betterest than inferior curieshit or the other drug ravaged prostitute. Nick comes close to Piper, but he ain't as cute. The voice actor does a phenomenal job tho.

It's objectively not a shitty game, and you're trying way too hard to fit in.

wow it's like i'm really playing a game on an apple2E

>not using superior modded companions

I'd mainly just like to see a mod that makes them more aggressive. Kinda sucks taking the time and resources to kit out a follower only to have them constantly lag behind and get so hung up on debris that they miss the fight entirely.

I've only modded muh rowinds, muh blivions, muh rims and F3/NV. Did the mod scene improve for F4?

Everyone also says one of the few good things about this game is the combat but honestly I didn't like it. I'll agree that it's improved from 3 and NV but only from shit to painfully average. And honestly I still found I enjoyed New Vegas combat more with a few mods installed.

>Any fallout 4 companion other then Old Longfellow, Nick or Danse being good.

Besides, we all know Raul is the best companion in fallout.

Like who? The only one I've seen is Heather and she just seemed like a edgier Willow to me.

>Everyone also says one of the few good things about this game is the combat but honestly I didn't like it.
Well after 10mn playing I thought "Yoo, this is well above average, no way Bethesda became that good so quick". Turns out shooting was made by id software. No wonder it's good. I thought everything felt right in the shooting, the recoil, the hitboxes, the aiming, the impact.

>Danse
He was the paladin right? Not bad but I always felt like he was a poor man's Alistair, no idea why. I kept Nick around for a while because he's the voice actor of the golden claw dude in Skyrim and does a fantastic job but Piper is just utter perfection.

Maybe I'm just so use to NV combat it felt off to me, who knows.

>Poor man's Alistair
Do you mean Alistair from dragon age? If so I can't see it. Nick is great and worth taking for far harbor especially. I thought Gage was decent, even if he's really just edgy preston. I still think the only acceptable fallout waifus are Sarah and Red Lucy from NV, since Veronicas a dyke and Cass would cuck you in no time.

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More than the gun customization, I hate the "legendary effect" bullshit. That's even worse once you realize how it's a shallow illusion of uniqueness and how it's basically made as an excuse of lack of real unique items in the game.

Worse combat than NV, shitty items, shitty wasteland, memes story, shit lore, retcons, cartoony bullshit, bullet sponge crap, crap weapons, voiced bullshit, no skill checks, not an RPG. legendary borderlands epic le random faggotry.
Easy contender for worst game of all time.

Yeah I meant Alistair from DA. I don't know, something about the overall look. The difference is that Alistair was cute, Danse felt like a bland Alistair.
>Nick is great and worth taking for far harbor especially.
Is FA good? This thread made me want to pirate F4 again, but I'm at my father's and the internet is cancer, don't want to spend hours downloading if it's not worth it.

>Easy contender for worst game of all time.
This but unironically.

>worse combat than new vegas
how so?

The crafting system kill any sort of cool exploration. As soon as you get the 'base' for a gun you can craft every single variation of that gun. Sounds cool in theory but it makes exploration be this boring as hell activity where you are literally sifting through trash constantly to find those rarer component parts. Maybe sometimes you'll find a skill book or a bobblehead but that's it. Whereas the uniques in New Vegas and Fallout 3 at least might have looked different the legendary variations in 4 just aren't enough.

Yes, yes it was. Litterally in every way possible.

Reminder of how much they fucked the lore with 4
>Jet is now pre-war
>Vertibirds are now pre-war despite them being an Enclave invention
>Ghouls simultaneously do and don't need to eat.
>Institute created super mutants and released them in the commonwealth because someone needed to do it so you have enemies to fight
>X-01 suits in locations which are clearly pre-war despite them being a post-war invention

>Literal PS2 tier graphics at certain areas
>RETCONS
>Powerarmors
>Tedious repetitive quests
>Broken, so fucking broken, bugs everywhere
>Story is complete asinine bullshit
>force the dude 50s lmao shit even though fallout 1 and 2 werent that potent about the 50s theme
>wtf is base building
>wtf is special anymore
>wtf is anything

worst fucking game ive played in such a long time holy shit

yep.

Strip out all the Fallout references, where they butcher the tone, history and setting, and you have a halfway decent combat psuedo-RPG.

The problem is that Bethesda thinks 'refining' a concept is 'strip out all the bits that are hard to do, replace it with radiant endgame filler, tweak the engine a bit and ship that fucker'.

Still not seeing it but to each their own I guess. He's a very by the books dedicated soldier, he loosens up a bit if you become friends with him.

Far harbor was properly the best of the dlcs, but at the same time it honestly just felt like point lookout 2 electric boogaloo to me. The island itself feels pretty similar to point lookout, and theres a murder mystery quest that's very, very similar to a fallout nv mod called autumn leaves. The reason I say to bring Nick is the only companion who will react to stuff there, besides Longfellow. The others will still like/dislike certain things you do, they just won't say anything. There's a few more skill checks and such but still not that many. I feel Nuka world was a more interesting location to explore.

Also, if you do get it you can get a great weapon from the children of atom merchant, a explosive raidum rifle.

At least Obsidian had the excuse of 'we got rushed out and we couldn't implement the extra shit for Legion players' which came out a little more in the DLC.

Bethesda just thought 'fuck it'.

Not to mention Obsidian had Bethesda sabotaging them in every way they could with QA, deadlines and all sorts of scummy shit. Yet still put out a 9/10 game instead of 3/10 trash like Bethesda.

>put out a 9/10 game
It was literally unplayable on launch.

Who's fault was that? Bethesda's. They were supposed to do QA.

Fallout 3 is worse when you compare both as standalone games, Fallout 4 is only worse as a Fallout game (and Fallout 3 is still pretty fucking bad as a Fallout game)

Now this is something I find curious about people syaing this about NV, I remember the game crashing but was there bugs that broke the game?
Because NV when I played it pretty much right after it came out didn't crash or have any more bugs than Fallout 3, if anything 3 was more buggy than NV when I played it.

I think it depended on the platform, PS3 version was basically unplayable though but from what I recall on day one it was incredibly buggy across all versions which is too bad because that's one of the reasons that it got an 84 on Metacritic and Obsidian needed an 85 or higher to get royalties from the game.

Honestly though, every single Gamebryo game that I've played except Catherine has been incredibly buggy on release.

I enjoyed Far Harbour more than Point Lookout, though it was very samey

Nuka World was a 10/10 dungeon pack with practically no real quest content, but I still enjoyed it most out of all Bethesda DLC since the Shivering Isles

The combat improved but all the cool weapons had to be sacrificed for it. The Legendary system is a poor substitute for variety not provided by weapon modding.

Pretty much every shithole builder simulator on steam is better.

No, Sup Forums just likes to hate on good games
>litterally best fallout game
>Sup Forums hates on it
It's a meme boi, you should buy Fallout 4 GOTY

Ha. You wish. What about the timeline where Trump was a democrat, and Fallout was a racing game.

It dissapointed me, i honestly expected better.
Nowadays im wishing that New Vegas will get a revamp.

>I hear the DLCs are good, haven't played them
Only Far harbour and eventually Automatron if you like robots. Nuka world is shit and the others are just settlements garbage.

I remember finishing the game twice on PS3 around launch. Once for yes man, second for NCR.

sacrificed is a bit misleading there
Bethesda were just as lazy when they made Fallout 3. Gun variety is about the same between 3 and 4, it's just that NV was excellent

I've had a lot of fun with modded Fallout 4, just exploring and shooting things to hell and back.

And Far Harbor was great. Too damn short though. I wish at least there was more Atom stuff.

All in all, 7.5/10

Nuka World is shit is something a lot of people who haven't played it like to say I find
It has issues, namely it's basically dead as far as quest content if you dont wanna be a raider, but it's 10/10 in combat and locations. It's "fun" content, not "good", but that doesn't make it shit.

>Literal PS2 tier graphics at certain areas
There are still consolecucks in 2017
>RETCONS
Irrelevant things 99% of the people won't even notice or care about
>Powerarmors
They're the best they've ever been
>Tedious repetitive quests
I agree, Todd really dropped the ball. In his defense, there's a handfull of really nice quests
>Broken, so fucking broken, bugs everywhere
I never had issues with any Bethesda game, but I know it's a common thing so I give you this one.
>Story is complete asinine bullshit
Story in Bethesda game are really shit. You play a Bethesda game for the side quests, main quests have always been cancer. And that also applies to pre-bethesda fallout, main quest is a joke, side quests are the fun part.
>force the dude 50s lmao shit even though fallout 1 and 2 werent that potent about the 50s theme
So because Fallout 1 and 2 weren't as much in the 50s them Fallout 4 must do the same? Has it ever occured to you that in old games there were things that weren't done because of graphical/technical limitations? That applies to every long running game series. Just because F1 and 2 were turn based isometric games with 3 textures and 2 npc assets, that doesn't mean F4 must do the same. F2 was also meme central: the game, does that mean the sequels must do the same?
>wtf is base building
A good way to waste 5h. Nothing wrong with it.
>wtf is special anymore
The same thing as always but dumbed down.
>wtf is anything
I don't know user, wtf is everything?

What's wrong with Nuka world? I either hear people say it's great or complete shit. I don't even know exactly what are the DLC, but from what I understand, Far Harbor is lovecraft, automatron is "build ur robot", and Nuka world is a giant theme park with "randumb" locations and no quests.

Random useless shit is one of the things I always liked about Bethesda games, if Nuka world is just a nuka cola based themepark with le funny skeletons and plushy bears and raiders, I'm pirating it right now.

No questline if you dont want to be a raider, you can still play nice with the raiders for 2/3rds of the questline before betraying them (betrayal quest starts as soon as you start killing leaders) to get quest markers for the turn on the power locations but a lot of people were pissed off there wasnt a mirror questline

it's still fun

I think it's a good map to explore and shit but the story is fucking shit. It's very clearly made to shut people up who were complaining they couldn't be evil in the base game.

Starts off with you going through a gauntlet, fighting the raider overboss and immediately taking over his position once he's dead. You take over parks for the three different raider factions before taking over the commonwealth.

The worst parts are if you don't want to be a raider your only option is to massacre every raider and that's it. Preston will be pissed when you take over your first raider settlement but while he'll stop bring your companion he'll still leave you in charge of the minuteman, despite working with raiders to kill the minuteman.

>Start me up - Alternate start
>War of the Commonwealth
>We Are the Minutemen
>More Spawns

these are the only mods you need to have fun in Fallout 4.

>if Nuka world is just a nuka cola based themepark with le funny skeletons and plushy bears and raiders, I'm pirating it right now.

What the fuck did you think it would be? Deep and with substance? Just go and pirate it already. It looks like bullshit to me so I won't ever bother with it, or Far Habor despite finishing this shitty mess the week it came out.

>We are the minutemen

Is that some overhaul to actually make you feel in charge of the minuteman? What's war of the commonwealth?

> Besides we all know Raul was the besf companion in fallout

Stop lying.

k thanks, kinda what I was expecting. I couldn't care less about a good story in a bethesda game as I've never seen one in over 18 years playing their games, I just want retarded fun. It's decided, I'll pirate it.

What levels should one be to do the DLC? Don't feel like leveling a new char

You get notified of the quest at level 30, so that seems to be what Bethesda considers good enough. You can still walk right there though if you wanted.

level 25 is when the quest marker shows up, you can still enter and trigger the questline earlier manually (you'll die a lot though)

it's balanced for level 30 characters

Any others you might reccomend? No waifu shit, weapon system overhauls/additions would be nice

Hate RPGs

It's a better game than Skyrim and Witcher 3. Sup Forums likes to shit on it because Bethesda memes, but in reality it's a great but flawed open world game like Dragon's Dogma was.

I like to give games a chance but Fallout 4 is beyond repair, that game is so so awful.

You pretty much covered everything as thoroughly as you could.

I'm pissed that Bethesda had a decent setup (the institute is replacing people with synths; the brotherhood arrives in its full glory; choose which faction wins the war) and they absolutely wasted it. They wasted everything. It has the most morally ambiguous premise of all the games, yet the factions are so underdeveloped that it's rendered moot. You either side against the institute of with it. The entire 3 non-institute factions yield the same result, just different patrols and radiant quests. The ending is so underwhelming that you might as well not even beat the game. It's better to stay in perpetual limbo and get quests from every faction.

The new dialogue system also castrates the storytelling. Bottom option is nice, right option is mean, left option is sarcastic and top option is question. Occasionally it gets switched up, but overall you don't feel in control of conversations. My character is physically incapable of asking basic questions, and simply cannot explain her decisions. Piper asks why I sided with the institute and I can't even say "Oh yeah, my son made me head of it. I'm going to rework it from the ground up to be a force of good". Likewise, I can't ask Shaun shit about the institute. Why'd they kill vault 111? Those were my friends and neighbors. But fuck it, Sole Survivor doesn't give a shit.

Fallout 4 was a good game in the hands of a bad developer. ID did what they could with the gameplay, but nothing can fix an open ended story where all the decisions are made for you until the very end.

Bethesda are the wasted potential developer

Yes.

Nah it was actually fun, played it a shit load like I did New vegas and Fallout 3 before that. Starting to get the urge now after finding this thread to play again.

Hope they come out with a Fallout 5 or a new Elder scrolls game.