Your reminder that all this lootbox bullshit is their fault

Your reminder that all this lootbox bullshit is their fault.

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Reminder that loot boxes are the industry response to people not wanting to pay 80 dollars for a game.

Reminder that lootboxs are the industry response to piracy.

Lootboxes are not an issue. People are whiny and entitled and feel like they should have everything thrown to them on a silver platter by virtue of wanting it.

It was WoW and Diablo's fault first.

Purely cosmetic lootboxes are cool, and a superior way to support your game.

Yeah, gambling is fun. I sure love to spends 50 bucks on random shit instead of 3 on the skin I want.

For selling mounts? Lol, it originally goes back to gacha mobile games from Asia. Then games like tf2 and csgo. Overwatch etc

>Reminder that loot boxes are the industry response to people not wanting to pay 80 dollars for a game.
The market for games has only increased, sales numbers have only gone up, if marketing and development costs can't be covered by sales then that is what needs to change, not the cost of games

>lootboxs are the industry response to piracy
piracy does not have an appreciable effect on sales

>People are whiny and entitled and feel like they should have everything thrown to them on a silver platter by virtue of wanting it.
No, they should have everything thrown to them on a silver platter by virtue of purchasing it.

I'd rather buy proper video games than some pissy skins.

You purchased the base game. You're not entitled to expansions or post release content.

Does anyone have the Mona Lisa charts?

No one bothered to pirate TF2 before f2p because they were releasing updates on weekly or sometimes daily basis. That in general applies to multiplayer games, which usually are the ones with loot crates.
Not to mention you can't pirate games on PS4 and Xbone so far.

>2017
>proper games

I agree
I am, however, entitled to all content for the base game

The difference is, valve had set up a cross-game marketplace where players could trade and sell their items for other items or real world money that they themselves dictate. None of the recent games to include copious amounts of lootboxes, specifically overwatch, has any feature like that. In TF2, you open crates to own the items and resell if you want. In overwatch, you open crates to unlock game content and nothing more.

Reminder that not buying these shit games is my response to video games being turned into legal gambling for children.

Unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide what the base game is. When you purchase a game you're purchasing a license under limited use. You don't own the game you buy, therefor you don't own the contents of the disc.

Lootboxes are not a form of gambling. Their value may be subjective and variable, but you always receive a digital product when you purchase a lootbox.

Get fucked cuckold.

Mad poorfag lmao

there is such a thing as the end-user license agreement, which means I don't get to replicate or claim as my own, the intellectual property of the publisher/developer.

I do own a durable good, i.e. a compact disk, which I may trade, sell, or otherwise transfer ownership of - though that does NOT necessarily include transfer of the license as defined by conditions set by the publisher/distributor.

This is totally separate from what might be defined as the "base game," but could be argued that common parlance would define it as the product sold at the date of release and all content associated with that release.

Little kids and adult babies defending the shit they're shoving in their mouth.
Can't even make a purchase and be sure you're getting a complete game these days. And even then the game will probably shame you for liking boobs and explosions.
Kinda glad I'm a crusty old man who barely has time for this garbage anymore.

Thankfully, you don't have to buy it if you don't want it.

Valves lootboxes are entirely cosmetic
Mobile games and CCGs like Hearhstone are the ones that made Pay2Win/Pay2ProgressFaster lootboxes popular

Nice try tho faggot

>the only people who dont like cosmetic lootboxes are stupid poorfags who cant afford $1.50 for a box of PURELY COSMETIC ITEMS

Reminder that all forms of DLC and putting content that should already be in the game behind a paywall is their fault

stop being a greedy, shilling bootlick

If not them then it would have been someone else quickly enough down the line.

They were a symptom, not a cause.

I'm interested. What happened that caused that major dip right before 2010

what did they mean by this

I've been playing video games since ultima fucking 2. Believe me, I've seen industry kill some of my favorite video game series - EAs ultima 9, need I stutter - and cosmetic lootboxes are the last thing I mind. As long as the gameplay is good I couldn't give a fuck if they put actual blackjack and roulette in there. Stop turning "gambling" into a buzzword.
Although admittedly TF2 system where you can trade hats on the market is superior to any bullshit where you can only get random shit straight from crates.

housing market collapsed, causing the sub-prime financial crisis

Stop being entitled. Lootboxes are fine.

If you don't grow you stagnate
If you stagnate you wither and die
Greed is a virtue in the capitalist market. Growth is the goal.

Idi nahui
Loot boxes are a result of f2p elements going into paid games.

And that makes it not gambling?

אוי ויי. הגוים קלטו.

הכל עולה יותר

The shekel is getting stronger.. it's just a way to leech more money from that specific consumer group.

I don't care if you're literally paid to do it or not, but if you're one of these dicksucking apologists defending this shit you're a literal roach; a symptom of greater rot, but contemptible vermin nonetheless.

As long as it remained cosmetic, I could tolerate it. I didn't like that the hats and reskins started bloating the game's spaghetti code, but they at least ensured 10 years worth of free updates where you could access the content (including the hats) without paying money. I just don't want pay2win elements being implemented.

There's what you call entitlement and there's wanting a standard product. The gaming market is unregulated, and the major companies are starting to deliver shitty products because they think they can get away with it.
Raising some concern is not being entitled. Core game play being locked away or pay to win mechanics being introduced in a multiplayer game is not good for games.

Lootboxes in F2P games are acceptable. Also muh cosmetic not content.

כוס אמא של גייבן השמן המזדיין הזה. קאק מטומטם.

Oh right I completely forgot about that.

Do you want to know why valve was able to get away with it? because you can trade the contents or the box itself which doesnt make them 100% random unlike other games, if you really want to blame someone blame activision blizzard for popularizing them in overwatch

the arguments that microtransactions are "needed" rings hollow when compared to the numbersEA et al. are just greedy fucking shitters

So you're saying it's not gambling because you always receive something?

Because you're buying a product. You get something every time you buy it. The value might be subjective to your tastes and desires, but you always get something when you buy a box. There is nothing comparable between slot machines and lootboxes.
The core gameplay isn't locked behind lootboxes. Extras that do not influence gameplay are. You're intentionally skewing facts to support your emotionally charged opinion.

Competitive online gaming is just cancer in general, especially FPS.

Was this the first example of DLC? Was this the herald of these dark times?

notice the fucking language in that post.
It's a bunch of corporate-speak shills defending EA

probably depends on the state/jurisdiction
you might consider it gambling, but gambling is specifically defined legally and these definitions vary

reminder that piracy is the consumer response to $80 trash with lootboxes.

- Everyone is doing well enough
- People take loans to buy houses left and right
- Banks give loans with very little to no guarantees people can pay it back if something suddenly happens. More loans, more money for them.
- Something suddenly happens. People get fired, house bubble bursts.
- Banks collapse because they always had only 8% of the actual money they deal in, and they can't honor massive money withdrawals
- Everyone dies

Yes. You are purchasing a box full of randomized digital items. You always receive something of value with each purchase. It is not comparable to gambling in the slightest.

>implying an EULA means jack squat to me

Good luck trying to enforce it in a country where customers have rights.

it's disingenuous to generalize like this
just because you always receive a product does not necessarily rule out the fact that the action may be considered gambling

this is absolutely false
liebertpub.com/media/content/IGL_02_p11-52.pdf

I just can't believe that companies would pay people to shill on Sup Forums.
I mean seeing this fag defending loot boxes makes it hard not to believe
but still

>Using English is now "corporate-speak"
AHAHAHAHA OH WOW
Loot boxes aren't a problem you fucking dumbass. We like them here. Lootboxes extract wealth from brainlet normies and keep games cheap and accessible. If you haven't figured this out yet you have brain problems my dude.

>The core gameplay isn't locked behind lootboxes
As the paying customer, I say every single thing in the game is core gameplay related, even if it's just cosmetic. I demand it for free, and I will be catered to. The customer is always right.

End of argument.

No, blizzard popularized it.

>We like them here
here being EA?

having to pay for ships, weapons, abilities, maps, heroes and having longer cooldowns is what im talking about
you're getting 75% of a game purely because of greed

WITNESS ME
I LIVE
I DIE
I LIVE AGAIN

>השקל מתחזק והדולר נחלש
>שקל לדולר איזה כיף3.5
>או תראו, גייב השמן מתחיל להזיע ומעביר מחירים מדולרים חסרי ערך לשקל ישראלי ציוני חזק אימתני תחת אל אחד
>תוך לילה ישראלים משלמים יותר על הכל
>?????????
>עדיין אין האלף לייף 3
>לי לא איכפת כי לא קניתי משחק מ2009
>הפרצוף שלי כש

The numbers support it.
Microtransactions help company growth

>we
neck yourself my dude

Reminder that theorycrafting the goals and motivations for a corporation is both asinine and futile.

Reminder that your favorite games spawned the things you hate before the companies you hate did them worse.

Reminder that this is the way the industry is now, nothing will change, and your rampant shitposting is the smoldering embers of youthful naivete.

Welcome to Sup Forums newfag. If you don't like it head back to gaf.

making products more expensive with no discernible reason or gain for the consumer is not a good thing. The only thing EA is doing is extracting more wealth from the customer base.

lel thats a neck brosef

>stop complaining, you're not allowed to ever voice your complaints
>I however will waste my time arguing about how you need to shut up and accept the industry

If our voices were so futile, then why are you here?

>consumer outrage will never change the way companies behave!
sure

I want rebbit to leave. Nobody on Sup Forums gave a single shit about lootboxes because they weren't stupid enough to fall for them. This entire crusade was started because a bunch of butthurt normie moralfags didn't get the skins they wanted. Don't fall for their obvious personal army shit.

Reminder that whataboutism and delegitimizing the importance of voicing your opinion is a classic Russian tactic used to demoralize targeted populations and undermine the ability of individuals to discredit illegitimate power structures

go fuck yourself, Andrew

Reminder that private companies engaging in mutually beneficial transactions with private third parties has nothing to do with illegitimate power structures.

And the consumer keeps buying it, meaning the consumer supports EA's reasoning that their products are worth more. Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay it for. You also need to factor research costs and risk rewards. There's also no law that states how much profit is okay even after that. Innumerable products on the market have prices unrelated to the development and manufacturing costs.

Only the market decides the price of a product, not the company. Blame the market, not EA.

בן זונה שמן, מילא היה מוציא משחקים אבל הוא לא מוציא כלום חוץ מסקינים לDOTA.
אני בפאקינג קליפהאנגר כבר כמטע 10 שנים מהרגע שהחיזר המזדיין הזה זיין את אלי ואנס , הכותב כבר פרש מהחברה ועדיין הוא לא הכריז על ההמשך .

Yeah, EA were on the verge of bankruptcy right before they started using loot boxes. Blizzard and Ubisoft were almost forgotten names, too. Good thing loot boxes saved them.

Reminder that Mafia bosses get sent away for tax evasion conducting business exactly as you have described

As the paying customer, I say that's wrong. Private companies employing shady business practices is illegitimate power structure behavior.

איש הממשל הוא ביבי מהעתיד

You're an idiot. The Japs think it's gambling, only a matter of time passes before there's laws in the US, too. Actually there already are, if you've seen the infodump about laws in Virginia posted in one of these threads already.

>Was this the first example of DLC?
no but it's okay when nintendo does it

This. The cosmetics may lead to some ugly character models, but at least it doesn't affect anything.
TF2 has the decency to give the weapons for free, even freshly released ones.

The only difference between lootboxes and pokemon card packs
is kids can buy lootboxes with their moms credit card easier

There's nothing shady about it. It's all very plainly set out for you. You can buy a lootbox for a chance to get something. You are not forced to do so. Lootboxes are optional. If you don't want lootboxes, don't buy them.

Boy the future sure is looking bright.

Vidya is going to have more and more SJW bullshit shoved in to appeal to a larger audience and no one will be able to stop it because liberal will bitch.

At the same time every single game is going to have lootbox bullshit to make more money and no one can stop it because conservatives will bitch.

We get the worst of both worlds

>There's nothing shady about it. It's all very plainly set out for you.
Just like the refund button incase I want to return my game? oh wait....

I'm 27 and I still don't even really understand what a 'season pass' in the context of video games is, and now we're doing 'loot boxes'? What the heck, who is even buying this crap? Is it you Sup Forums? I dont think I've ever bought a game that's had either of these

no the difference is that you can trade/resell the pokemon cards if you don't like what you got, they're not surgically welded to your ass

unlike some of the worse examples of microDLC

The japs will show us the light.
They haven't lost sight of the true consumer of vidya,
lonely men.
Eventually these companies will realize the same people bitching about diversity don't even buy their shitty games

That looks more like physical accessories

the game, in its current state, provides an unfair advantage to people willing to pay to unlock upgrades, which are only available via lootboxes.

The amount of time required to unlock these upgrades through playing the game is intentionally drawn out in a deceptive way intended to frustrate customers into paying for unlocks.

This, in combination with the obvious gambling aspect of the lootbox mechanic is extremely shady given that the game is rated such that minors can access and participate in said gambling behavior.

the use of them gains access to game modes not available without them

Nobody has ever been forced in a video game to buy extra stuff for their video game, full stop. There's been nag screens, there's been time delays, but there's never been any sort of force.

If you have such a strongly addictive personality that a video game's purchasing system might cause that, don't play the damn game. That's on you; do your research about games with specific triggers before you fork over money for it. By that nonsense logic, we shouldn't have bars because some people feel forced to drink alcohol.

Shit, even video games without lootbox/dlc systems push that Feel Good button, sometimes to some people's detriment. Do we ban video games because those people feel 'forced to' play them for ages? No, we don't.

Then don't buy it and don't play it.