Well, Sup Forums?

Well, Sup Forums?

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it's don't matter
if you don't forgive he will blame himself
if you forgive he still blame himself anyway

Neutral route was the only thing good in that game. Imagine an undertale thread without sans or goat kid posting.

imagine if Undertale was actually a good game

whilst all points in that image was correct i still really enjoyed undertale.

Think it was mainly the story

To be fair, comparing undertale to the only actual 10/10 game ever made is a little bit harsh.

>whilst all the points in that image was correct

?????

He's just a kid, of course i forgave him.

I'm not sure how smart it is to forgive certain characters on the basis of being "just a kid".

Hug the goat.

Do not forgive
He's a fucking asshole
Fuck you Toby

Fuck the Goat.

Chara isn't a child, she's a fucking demon

Who was in the wrong here?

Well Chara started as a child. A human with the drive to commit murder without restraint has extreme power in undertale. Of course by the time Chara destroys the multiverse hes not just a genocidal human anymore, he's more conceptual at that point.

I mean when you get right down to it, he wasn't even a person
>Brought back to life after being murdered
>Stuck in the form of a flower that can't feel anything
>Constantly stuck rewinding time Groundhog day style
>To the point that he's seen life so much that it has became pointless and becoming a sociopath is the only way to feel anything
>Only realizes how bad it's become after feeling emotions again

But undertale had great music, that's pretty much undisputed.

Did you cry at the end, user?
Be honest.

not my dick that's for sure

Do you believe Asriel deserves a second chance?

>Alphys did literally everything wrong
>gets off scot-free in good endings
>can't even fight her during the genocide route

While I love undertale to the point of it being one of my favorite games I don't understand how you could cry for flowey/asriel at the end of pacifist when his actual character development doesn't really come until genocide. The pacifist ending on its own was way too cheese to be emotional in my opinion. That's not to say it wasn't good, but you barely know asriel at that point.

Really everything can be traced back to being chara's fault, not Alphys. If Chara didn't get asriel killed it's doubtful Alphys would've done her fucked up experiments in the first place.

>Mengele did nothing wrong, it's all Hitler's fault.

Of course Alphys fucked up badly, but it's not like she meant to. Her intentions were good. This doesn't excuse her of course but its hard to complain you can't kill Alphys in genocide when you're playing as the literal incarnation of evil anyways. Plus you really do kill her by virtue of destroying absolutely everything at the end. An actual Alphys fight would probably just be her wallowing in self pity and regret considering she hadn't been redeemed in the genocide route.

Yuna did nothing wrong

>Her intentions were good
Fuck that, fuck you, and fuck every other "b-b-but my idea has good intentions so we should do it even though it's clearly fucked in multiple ways" liberal dipfuck out there.

Toby said he wanted to make it so people would feel bad killing every character in Genocide, the lack of an Alphys fight is because he knew that EVERYONE would be chomping at the bit to murder her.

whoms't

>her intentions were good
>the end justifies the means

chara isn't fucked up
you're fucked up
chara is the narrator in every route

Does Toriel end up reconciling with Asgore, or does she end up dating Sans?

Do Undyne and Asgore end up sleeping together, or were Undyne and Alphys meant for eachother?

Who does Frisk end up living with?

The only bad thing that resulted from Alphys' experiments was Flowey, and no fucking way was that a predictable outcome.

Nobody had any problems with their dead relatives turning out to be alive.

*melt in your path*

>actually defending the literal worst character
Disgusting.

Was I the only one who was legitimately freaked out by the bird thing, especially when the butterflies ate out that thing's eyes in the combat screen?

it feels like you get to know him, with the kid's rooms, the statue/music box, the videos and all...

>not made by furries
>has characters dressing like furries

>most violent game ever!!!
>restricted to a top down pixel game

>either game having good pixel art

>autistic actor as a main character
>good thing

>"best ost ever made" that consists of SEVERAL different artists whose royalties had at one point demanded the soundtrack be more expensive than the game itself

>Good story
>Fucked up entirely by sequel and was later confirmed that the creators couldn't give less a fuck about the story in the end

>fuck yeah no memes

>nervous gameplay
>thrown at the door in sequel where it's just hiding behind the corridor and baiting enemies (oh wait you can do this in the first one)

Both of these games are flawed as hell. Undertale on the other hand was made almost entirely by a single furry.

Yes, and?

Fucking this. I never understood why autismos got so attached to goatbaby. He was a purely evil villain the entire game, why would I feel bad for him all of a sudden.
The game was good, Flowey was good, but this "plot twist" was so poorly implemented that I just couldn't care about goatbaby. Flowey should have at least shown a sign of consciousness-remorse mid-way through the game, to get you thinking differently about him, not just be a destructive sociopath then go "oopsie daisies I'm cool now lol"

they seemed pretty happy to see their families in the end

>EVERYONE would be chomping at the bit to murder her.

Speak for yourself, I really didn't care about whether or not I got to kill Alphys. Though to be fair I didn't really feel bad for killing any of the characters in genocide. I was there to get XP and nothing more after all.

Still, you really think Alphys deserves death for what she did? The monsters were suffering from a problem no one knew how to deal with and she was the only scientist in the kingdom at that point. Her only option was to try something experimental. She got in over her head and no one could help her. It was just a fucked situation all around.

Not this shit again. What about when Chara manipulated Asriel just for the chance to kill as many humans as possible for no reason at all, at the cost of both Asriel's life and his own?

>chara is the narrator in every route

Nice head canon, if that's the case then why are the narration messages in genocide that are explicitly supposed to be Chara's written in red? Why differentiate it in that way when Chara is always the narrator anyways? Chara is asleep in both the other 2 routes, he says himself during the end of genocide that your rampage awakened him, which is why the red narration only shows up by the end when he is fully in control of Frisk.

>you're fucked up

Naturally this is still true because Chara represents the completionist drive of the player, to "consume the world and move on to the next". Chara and the player are both fucked up.

Who do you think translates for the monsters in the ruins? It's certainly not Frisk suddenly learning how to speak whimsun and froggit

Yeah, it's not like will be in horrible pain forever and cause their relatives emotional grief over the suffering they can do nothing to stop. They are just fine being alive and all, right?

I only see "What are you afraid of?" in the mess of gibberish.

They were just hungry, they don't act like they're in agonizing pain at the end. Monster's magic is them expressing their emotions to you. Motherfucker's hungry.

Was Asgore a bad man?

Honestly I'm just gonna chalk that up to suspension of disbelief considering the overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. The fact that the narration turns red when "Frisk" starts talking in first person during the end of genocide and that Chara says he was awakened in genocide. Really the whole speech at the ending of genocide proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Chara is irredeemably fucked up. I mean come on, "I am Chara. I am the demon that comes when people call its name. It doesn't matter when. It doesn't matter where. Time after time, I will appear." How the fuck could you say he's just a misunderstood child after that whole sequence?

no way

>butterflies eating someone alive
>they're just fine and happy, can't you see?
Deathshead, is that you?

Something looking weird isn't the same as something being in pain, user. You're making a lot of baseless assumptions.

>We have hundreds of good games we could talk about
>Instead another thread about Babby's First JRPG
Shameful.

I used to think the same shit as you until an user linked some faggot's tumblr and when I eventually got around to reading it, it made a lot of sense.
determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this
it's incredibly long and overly autistic, but it's tumblr so no surprise there

you posted the wrong version

The other message is a word I can't see through on the first line, and then "...made my choice."

>butterflies descend on the face and start munching on it
>monster raises hands in agony
>starts shaking
>falls on his knees
>raises hands in a vain attempt to protect himself
>h-he's not in pain, really

>Comparing two completely different games

I don't want to discuss Nier Waifubait again
Post the one with Sugar Free

look at attacks like the airplane and shit
do you think the monster is really crashing planes into everything?

Why do you seem to think the monster in the attack animation actually exists?

>videofootage of jews getting gassed
>FABRICATION
Is this Sup Forums?

No attack up until that point exists anywhere outside of the attack animation itself, why is that the one exception?

Because attack animations represent soul battles. And this particular animation shows the monster may not be particularly happy about his predicament.

Not that I agree with him, but he's obviously trying to argue that the animation is a representation of how the monster is feeling, not that it's really happening.

no, he's hungry

...

Yeah, alphys says they only attacked you because they were hungry
she gets them to leave you alone by feeding them

Which monster was your favorite and why?

>comparing the holocaust to a fucking silly attack in a video game
I agree with you that Alphys is a fucking cunt and the Amalgamates are genuine abominations but Jesus fucking Christ.

Play a better game.

You do know that you can be hungry and suffering from emotional and physical torment at the same time, right?

except they don't suffer at the end of the pacifist route

I don't buy the premise, but even assuming the attack is supposed to be a reflection of how it's currently feeling, the monster getting a faceful butterflies is very clearly not the monster you're fighting.

how do you know the monster is self-inserting as the bipedal monster and not the butterflies

if a 5 year old can slaughter the entire underground, how bad would for example a grizzly bear fuck up monsters?

...

a grizzly bear doesn't have the determination to slaughter indiscriminately

The amalgamates have such good designs. The way the space between the legs of the dog one forms dogs in the shadows is really cool.

>Reaper Bird, known in battle as "," (a single comma symbol) before its spare conditions are met, is an Amalgamate found in the True Lab, where it is disguised as an exclamation bubble that appears after gazing into a mirror. It is composed of parts from Astigmatism, Final Froggit, and Whimsalot.
>Everyman, Reaper Bird's main attack, appears to have the body of a cartoonish depiction of an anthropomorphic bird embryo. His head has a short appendage resembling a half-formed embryonic beak, and small black circles for eyes.
You'd expect a bird to self-insert as something bird-related.

Slaughtering the underground is an understatement, that 5 year old destroyed the entire universe.

>taking conjecture as a wiki as canon
wew lad
Besides, the magic attacks can come from elsewhere, like mad dummy yelling at his smaller magic dummies for hitting him

Or a bug to self-insert as something bug-related. None of the component monsters of Reaper Bird are actually birds.

But frankly I think we're well into "reading too much into it" territory and we can pretty much write it all off anyway thanks to

>le chara destroyed the universe meme
epic

okay how about a scenario where the bear feels threatened and has to fight off say asgore?

Chara is only as powerful as Monika.

bears are frightened by larger creatures
asgore would scare the flying fuck out of that bear
if all else fails, he'd torch it

>Sans says that the space time anomaly has the power to stop and start timelines
>The anomaly (you) clearly has the power to reset time from the main menu
>Chara's final slash shows the entire screen full of damage numbers and it crashes the game
>To sum it up Chara destroys the game so that only Chara's consciousness remains
>This isn't destroying the universe

???

Don't forget she talks shit to you in one of the neutral routes.

They represent completely different things. Their powers are similar but have important differences.

You think she doesn't?

>she was the only scientist in the kingdom at that point
She was never a scientist. She loved the idea of being a scientist but had no skill whatsoever. The 'robot' she built to land the job was a lump of metal animated by her only friend. She was too pussy to own up to Asgore and admit she duped him. Even the determination experiments were based on her stealing Gaster's notes. Committing seppuku was the bravest thing she ever did.

They're both confined to within their game files.

she didn't make a flight plan, CIA

Well, could it be considered stealing if gaster was wiped from existence and everybody but sans completely forgot he existed?

Just like every video game character ever made, what's your point

Was getting hit part of your master plan?

That has to be a bit of a meme to some extent, while we know Mettaton's lore and all that shit she DID make a robot that could transform from a toaster into a glam star at the flip of a switch.

This. They're top dog within their own universes, but characters with those type of powers don't have shit over other series so they're useless in a actual fight.

>The 'robot' she built to land the job was a lump of metal animated by her only friend.

Damn, for all the thinking about this game I've done I've never thought about that. You bring up a good point.

>World = Universe
epic my friend.

Chara was a traumatized kid who had a revenge fantasy, and only goes demon when you mindfuck him by killing his entire family infront of him.