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>paying a sub on top of a sub on top of a game with paid DLC and microtransactions
>browses and links to reddit
fuck off faggot

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Literally nothing wrong with flying mounts.

if it has paid dlc microtransactions then well yeah fucking no way am i playing, im paying 1 fucking sub to reward them for bringing back classic

have an account from like 10 years ago with 3 posts fight me

muh world pvp

World pvp was dead and buried long before flying mounts were on the scene.

>loot had to be clicked in the loot window to be pick up in vanilla

Uh, no it didn't. I remember pressing Ctrl+Click to autoloot in vanilla.

i've heard tell that autoloot as a button was added later back in the day

can't remember myself since i was 12 and barely knew where the class trainer was

>reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/7d1bea/the_ultimate_wow_classic_design_survey_help/

>>No option to play my blueberry draenei waifu

no sale

space ghosts coming to azeroth fucked the lore

outland is shit

>Should classic expansions increase the level cap or remain at level 60?

what does this even mean exactly?
you get tbc and wrath but stay lvl 60?

those are classic expansions right?

You could also enable it to be default mode for looting in settings.

>you get tbc and wrath but stay lvl 60?
i think so yeah

having TBC or pseudo tbc/wrath but not quite expansions but taking place in FUCKING AZEROTH

JUST IMAGINE

>You could also enable it to be default mode for looting in settings.
not until tbc/wrath i think

so then that would mean theyre somewhat implement their level scaling technology on the classic servers

id like to see it but on a separate server at least

Classic expansion pack means an expansion for classic servers only, think emerald dream ultra big raid zone only accessible from portals behind nightmare dragons.

>think emerald dream ultra big raid zone only accessible from portals behind nightmare dragons.
fuck that sounds really cool

just make the game as close to vanilla as possible. if faggots want snowflake "balance" changes thats what private servers are for. just restore the god damn game to how it was back then. its that fucking simple, there's no need for these dumb ass surveys.

wrong

There's a whole shitload of stuff they could add over time to classic. They cut a lot of cool shit from alpha and beta. If they want to do classic expansions they should look to the archive of concepts from alpha etc.

>Cross-Realm battlegrounds
>43,6% Yes

reddit needs to be shut down. Cross-realm PvP was one of the things that killed the server community alongside LFR.
No alliance vs horde rivalries between guilds or PvP groups, just mindless BG grinding.

>. if faggots want snowflake "balance" changes thats what private servers are for.
no private servers provide the environment for what most people want

i say most because x>50.1% is in favor of class balancing now

>just restore the god damn game to how it was back then
the novelty of it being an "official" server wouldn't make it differentiated enough and interesting enough to be worth playing for long

they simply must include new content or changes of some kind, hopefully its not retarded shit like LFR/LFD, but instead things people actually would be ok with and doesn't wholesale ruin fucking everything

rebalancing and guild banks etc are those kind of tolerable and beneficial changes that would make the experience memorable and fun and novel

im in agreement

but 30 minute wait times for battlegrounds is intolerable as well

maybe implement faction queues or benefits to levelling for one faction after a server starts getting lopsided? some p servers have done that

Correct, the vast majority of people gave no shits about world pvp, BGs did more damage to it than anything as it became the containment place for people who actually wanted pvp.

I'm just glad they're considering TBC and WotLK

they were still decent expansions and it was Cataclysm that fucked shit up and everything's good as long as they won't touch Cata and beyond

>Correct, the vast majority of people gave no shits about world pvp, BGs did more damage to it than anything as it became the containment place for people who actually wanted pvp.
this

BGs suck cock actually, im surprised how little people want arena where its at least somewhat competitive and not just a mindless 14 hour a day grind to rank 14

fucking autists ruining the game for everyone else

no bgs would be perfect

what the fuck are they doing i thought we are getting vanilla wow?

So they are willingly trying to manipulate the Classic Servers with added bullshit so they can go "told you so" when shit bombs?

>trusting nu-blizz

aww sweetie

>believing random shit he read on Sup Forums
Must be fun being a brainlet

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>30 minute
It was close to an hour where I was from, and I was ok with it. It allowed me to farm or world pvp.

why are these people so mean and hateful? they got all the money and love they could think of from their fans turning them into the power house they are today

why not give something back? for fucks sake people will even pay for it . whats so hard to understand that someone might want to play an older version of their game which is "legally" not doable without their help

It is UNARGUABLE that flying effectively reduces the odds of getting assaulted and killed while traveling to zero.

Then again, an overwhelming majority of (max level) world PvP encounters don't happen in the middle of nowhere but in contested hotspots such as farming locations or vicinity of instances where you have to ground yourself to get something done. Indeed, with 100% ground mount you're pretty close to unassailable anyway supposing you don't go AFK or willingly run into a visible enemy player (although rogues and mages circumvent this to a degree), so effect on actual quantity of world PvP is negligible. I guess there's a point in world FEELING like a less dangerous place because being attacked while not expecting it (unlike hotspots where you know to expect the enemy) affects this feeling disproportionately, but objections tend to focus on prevalence of world PvP, not feeling of danger. Moreover, there's a far more powerful factor in play here: increasingly experienced players becoming more goal-oriented and less inclined to start or join skirmishes that might then escalate, and battlegrounds introduced in 1.5 taking away players that joined such escalated conflicts because those were the only group PvP around.

In retrospect, I don't think flying should have been introduced because it inherently has non-zero impact on PvP, inherent negative impact on exploration if it comes available before you're truly done with world content, and it's the final nail in the coffin on world PvP if hotspots were ever to disappear (as they did in WotLK) and while it works fantastically with Outlandish landscapes of TBC, world design could have been more compelling afterwards without flying being a factor, but I agree at least to the degree that in TBC specifically it did virtually nothing wrong so it's clearly not a disaster, and that the primary factors for decline of world PvP are elsewhere (shift in player mentality, BGs, TPs to instances, end of farming).

Slippery slope. Next thing you know some faggot claims cataclysm wasn't so bad after all and then the next faggot wants his shitty pandas.

It wasn't so much the content that killed wow but the streamlined meta.

I voted for changes. I will NOT level another retail druid to 60. Unfuck druids. Unfuck them!

absolutely 0 faith in blizzard. they think they can "improve" the game, their dicksucks want them to, they will try to manipulate the community into begging them for changes

you can't trust a shit company. Classic will be shit.

Druids are a great solo class, strong in 1v1 PVP, in demand for raids, I played one on 60 on Nost

If you don't like them, go play retail or pick a different class.

why dont you guys just admit you don't want vanilla at all but rather wow 2, which is fine. this notion of introducing a bunch of this and that in name of balance goes against the entire concept of classic you damn well know it. its about bringing back the old game to how it was, warts and all.

>I voted for changes. I will NOT level another retail druid to 60. Unfuck druids. Unfuck them!
this

i want vanilla 2.0

You don't want Vanilla, then. Druids are completely fine in Vanilla, you just want all of your specs to good in raids (even though no other class works this way).

They should honestly just have one legacy server for each expansion pack, judging by the private server scene each expansion pack is popular enough to pay for itself. Maybe not WoD, but vanilla up to MoP is played a lot.

I don't see the slope as slippery in the slightest. After all, TBC and WotLK are the most popular iterations of WoW: Nostalrius post-mortem survey at N=50k (probably the largest survey of this kind) put TBC as the most favored expansion even over vanilla, and big polls in Battle.net forums/MMO-Champion/whatever tend to consistently rank versions of WoW as WotLK > TBC >> rest. In other words, there clearly is large demand for a trilogy, and little to no demand for anything beyond that point. If Blizzard cares about following the money (which I think we can take for granted), WotLK is the natural place to stop at.

>you just want all of your specs to good in raids (even though no other class works this way).
warriors and priests and mages work this way

and its bullshit

Anyone else think a subsect of Naga with legs similar to the Jinyu in MoP should have been the Alliance race in TBC instead of Draenei?

>we at readdit are more important than you, you must leave to convert back to us and pray to our devgods 7 time a day, infidels. This is the last warning.

All warrior and priest specs are not good in all raids. Shadow priests eat up too many debuff slots, fire mages flat out don't work in some raids and warriors are highly dependent on gear.

>It is UNARGUABLE that flying effectively reduces the odds of getting assaulted and killed while traveling to zero.

Because people don't give a shit about world pvp, flying mounts just gave those people a better way to avoid it. If people cared about world pvp they'd be attacking places where players are, make a true scene at some town and draw people in, but they don't. No, they whine about not being able to slap down some random who doesn't give a shit about fighting them in the middle of nowhere who would just rez out of sight, mount and run away anyway.

>Viable protadin/bear tanks and hybrids in general not being dogshit
>Hyjal/Uldum/FUCKING GRIM BATOL raids, maybe even the originally planned Vanilla Kara
>More raids as hard as OR EVEN HARDER than Naxx40
pls pls pls pls
It's good to see people are voting correctly on most questions

actually a decent survey. i really hope they do have expansion servers (separate from vanilla of course) online before i'm dead.

>Hyjal / Uldum / Grim Batol raids
All in retail
>More raids harder than Naxx40
All in retail
>All classes "equal"
All in retail

Go play retail.

Linking to reddito too? kek.
Threadly reminder, WoW ruined gaming:
>Created and popularized lootboxes with WoW tcg.
>Popularized physical DLC with WoW tcg.
>Successful early adopter of store-front cosemetic DLC alongside Valve.
>Was pivitol in popularizing the games-as-service model and charging people for their internet with subscriptions to game servers.
>World First: creating a Double Don Goldberg by somehow combining physical DLC with lootbox content.
>World First: Double Don Goldberg II; literally charging twice for exact same game on the exact same platform.
>World First: Triple Don Goldberg; charging you TWICE for your own internet for server access in Classic.
>Never made a single game with good gameplay.

all those things are in retail. it also makes no sense that hybrids would get three specs good in raids, when no other class works this way.

You seriously want them to release all content, let Naxx get rolled eventually and then just let all this stagnate and rot? You would legitimately never want to see any more community approved patches/raids/bgs that were scrapped from original vanilla added into the game? Why?

BUT MUH WORLD PVP!

MUH EXPLORATION!

Progressive content alone would last ~2 years, almost no one would finish Naxx.

And when it's over, just let us transfer characters to TBC servers.

What is a rogue

>77% in favor of keeping dishonorable kills

So this...is the power...of the vanilla wow community...

whoa...

>All warrior and priest specs are not good in all raids.
yes they are

you can dps as arms, and in fact back in the day arms was the default dps spec not fury, because 1h itemization/implementation was shit

discipline spec is 100% needed in raids if only for the spirit buff, and it certainly fucking VIABLE, more fucking viable than feral or balance or enhancement or prot pally

fuck off

>Shadow priests eat up too many debuff slots
no they dont they can do more dps than ferals and rets and balance even without utilizing the full capacity of debuff slots

this is including how much dps they bring to the raid besides just their own mind

> fire mages flat out don't work in some raids
being viable in half the raids, and in fact the highest dps or thereabouts in zg/aq is still more viable than the aforementioned shit specs

>and warriors are highly dependent on gear.
and rets/balance/ferals/etc aren't?

you're retarded

>classicuck realizing that what he misses is his youth and blizzard can't bring that back

A rogue has only one spec good in raids: Combat. So thanks for proving my point.

this is the thing i'm most mad about

But literally what harm would it do if once the original content was all out and cleared to death if the massive dev team they are hiring for this project went to work on finishing zones/raids that were planned but never finished?

>you can dps as arms

And get kicked from the guild. Arms is good in PVP and shit in raids.

Three posts too many faggot

Rogues only have one raid spec.

wrong, you either never played retail vanilla or private servers, or are willfully ignorant and shitposting

having 2-3 arms warriors with BRE is still more dps than any shit spec for other classes

>they voted against having classes other than warrior being able to tank

What the fuck. It's not shitty class and spec balance that made vanilla great you stupid fucks. You are given a once in a lifetime opportunity of vanilla with some actual fucking balance. I hope blizzard won't look at this survey that came out of plebbit shithole.

On Private servers, only Fury Warriors are used for DPS. Even 2H Fury outperforms 2H Arms.

Arms is a burst spec for PVP. It is suboptimal for raids, just like a Feral Druid is suboptimal for raids.

also you can have offtanks spec 31 points into arms to dps, then rest into protection tree as offtank

i can link you a guy doing it right fucking now:

realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ely&player=Filthytroj

note the bonereaver's edge, he's 31/5/15 spec

>People voting against 10 man strat/scholo and 15 UBRS
Nostbabies were a fucking mistake
Hate to break it to you chucklefucks but playing a 1.12 build with content released at a custom rate and no population cap is not fucking blizzlike in the slightest
I wish only people that actually played fucking vanilla WoW were allowed to have an opinion on this

What's the name of the song playing in the classic reveal video?

Why would you trust Blizzard to balance anything? Look at Overwatch.

>Hybrids should have three specs that are good in raids!
No. No other class works this way. Go play retail, it has exactly what you are asking for.

Saddest part is all of these faggot twitch kiddies won't even play past level 20
Blizzard please I have played actual vanilla and then done it all to death again on so many different servers

all the 5 and 10 mans should be in from the start, if only to thin out the population so everyone isn't killing the same quest mobs. people who enjoy grinding dungeons can do that and people who like questing can do that.

>I want my class to be good
>CLASS CHANGE PLEASE MAKE MY SHIT DRUID CLASS OP LIKE IN RETAIL

free speech was a mistake.

Can't we just have vanilla like 1.12? Why do autistic redditors have to ruin everything? Why would you want vanilla if you're going to pile all this stupid shit on top?

and hes doing less damage than Fury Warriors. It's suboptimal.

Literally this.
For people who try to claim that their love for Vanilla isn't fueled purely by nostalgia, you all seem extremely scared of fixing some of its major problems.

>Warriors
Warriors tank. If they want to DPS they have to tank until they get a good enough set to be worth all the debuff slots their shitty bleeds and situational at best Mortal Strike debuff. Then they get gobs more DPS gear until they can warrant switching to Fury and not being a total joke.
>Priests
Priests heal. They heal as Holy because Discipline is shit in Vanilla. You get one (1) token Shadow Priest for Shadow Vulnerability, provided it's even worth it with your composition.
>Mages
Mages are 100% forced into Frost for the beginning tiers because Fire does literally nothing in MC. From there they go Fire, Arcane is trash in Vanilla.
>Druids
Druids heal. You can bring a token one (1) Balance Druid for crit aura. If they want to tank they have to heal until they get a good enough set to be worth getting their shit slapped.

Sounds like they have it pretty decent in the grand scheme of things.

Ugh, I hate it when people say that endgame is just about raiding.

There's so much more to it like player vs pla-

Your mother not paying for a proper abortion was a mistake, frogposter

If you didnt vote No on every question you're a fucking faggot responsible for the shit that retail is now.

Warrior.

>No. No other class works this way.
priest mage warrior as stated above

you're just wrong man i don't know what else to say

a discipline priest is still 5000 times better than retribution paladin or feral druid, clearly not how it should be

you're just a drone at this point parroting shit you can't even defend

>you all seem extremely scared of fixing some of its major problems.

We should be, because retail "fixed" all its problems.

We don't want changes, we want Vanilla. Most of you didn't even want Vanilla servers, now you are telling us how they must be changed.

Imagine trying this hard to fit in rofl

FUCKING NNORMIEEEEEEEEEEESS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mage only has ~one good spec per raid tier. You can't be a fire mage in BWL or MC. I don't see mages asking for Fire spec to get buffed.

Ditto for Priests. Disc is a joke in PVE, Shadow is rarely used, and one maximum if at all. Same logic applies to Arms.

Farming dishonorable kills ain't pvp, its pvb.

>Arcane is trash in Vanilla
lol, 31/0/20 is basically required depending on what patch you mean by "vanilla", in early wow you needed 31 arcane to get evocation or you run out of mana too quickly in raids.

fuck off druid cuck your class will be shit now Innervate me you literal useless cuckold.

>Asking people to change the core gameplay by adding in dungeon finder/ect
>Asking the casuals of retails that never played the original game what they think

Jesus christ, they really hate their old fanbase

>we want Vanilla
I know you do. My point is that you want Vanilla because of rose-tinted goggles, not because it's a genuinely good experience. How is making some unplayable specs/classes viable going to affect the quality of the game outside of altering the fantasy you've conjured in your heads over the past decade? If it's really a good game that won't die out within 2 months once nostalgia wears off, how is some balancing going to harm it in any way?

How is this shit supposed to work?
>yeah we want those TBC and Wrath expansions
>but don't add the continents for them

I honestly hope they add new content and buff the worthless shit classes and specs just so you faggot alexsensual fanboys rage
guess again downie
t. Rogue main

really should've had options for i dont care about pvp. i wonder how many people voted for dishonorables because they didn't know any better.

You can dps as a holy priest. Vanilla raids are so undertuned that any composition can clear it since the raid size is so big. You said GOOD specs, not VIABLE. You don't seem to understand the difference between those two words because you pretend a shadow priest won't be a liability compared to a combat rogue.
>and rets/balance/ferals/etc aren't?
No class scales as well with gear as warriors, this has been the case in pretty much every expansion back.

Ive played many private servers through BWL, it's a good experience.

Every spec is viable at something, but not everything. Not every spec can raid. Go play retail, it has exactly what you are asking for.

Oh boy, I bet Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms will never get old.

>If they want to DPS they have to tank until they get a good enough set to be worth all the debuff slots their shitty bleeds and situational at best Mortal Strike debuff. Then they get gobs more DPS gear until they can warrant switching to Fury and not being a total joke.
deep wounds is what every warrior takes no matter what spec, because of impale

it gets pushed off the debuff table by any remotely relevant debuff, even fucking serpent sting pushes it off

you're also wrong dps warriors don't have to tank at all they can pretend to be a rogue and never tank a day in their life

>Priests heal. They heal as Holy because Discipline is shit in Vanilla. You get one (1) token Shadow Priest for Shadow Vulnerability, provided it's even worth it with your composition.
they are also useful for mind control and for being a class that can easily heal with switched gear depending on a fight

the same reason an offtank druid can be only 31 points into feral and the rest into resto so they can change on the fly based on the fight and what the raid needs

plenty of priests raid as discipline for various reasons, power infusion and increasing raid dps to speed up clears for one, spirit buff for another

>Mages are 100% forced into Frost for the beginning tiers because Fire does literally nothing in MC. From there they go Fire, Arcane is trash in Vanilla.
LMAO

yeah you actually don't know what the fuck you're talking about gg kid

you only needed 2 frost mages tops in the beginning, every other mage is arcane/frost for top dps and leeching off winters chill bitches