Why is it okay for FFX to be linear as fuck but when 13 does it, it gets shat on?

why is it okay for FFX to be linear as fuck but when 13 does it, it gets shat on?
>b-b-b-b-b-but 13 is more linear!!1
not an argument. they are both linear games.

people bitching about linearity are retarded. FF XIII is "shit" i liked it though for the gameplay.

FFX actually lets go back and revisit locations at a later point and there is some dungeon exploration for the pilgrimage.
XIII as about 200 points of no return and only opens up for a glorified mission mode of "kill this" quests,

All final fantasy games except the MMO are linear.

I can't stand X because of it's garbage story and characters. The corridor-game-design is just the cherry on top for this trash fire.

All games are linear in the sense that you have tovdo things in a certain way to get a certain outcome. For example, Breath of the Wild is linear because you can’t choose to live under Ganon’s rule. You either win or lose. Very linear.

>unironically being a pedantic smart ass and thinking it makes you look clever

>I have garbage taste: the post

This. Also, FFX actually made the linearity make sense from a story standpoint, whereas XIII's was an extended tutorial, forcing you down corridors to the next point.

Who said it was ok ? Only you shill ?
FFX got a lot of criticism about it amongst other things when it came out, so fuck off.
>Off yourself shill fag

Do you honestly think that I care about the opinion of some FFX fuckboy? Keep eating your shit and keep quiet like a good mut.

Versus 13 was hyped to be open world with big cities & airships, so people kept comparing it to that, a game that never existed

You obviously care enough to reply with buzzwords.

It's called throwing a bone.

>garbage story and characters

B-but those are the things I like about it. Though there are some plot details I choose to not look at too closely.

Because 13 literally shoves it in your face. The game does everything it can to tell the player LOL YOURE IN A TUNNEL, DO YOU RIKE IT??? It's like some developer got butthurt that someone called previous FF games linear and decided to have his petty revenge.

You're not fucking special. Everyone knows the games are linear in design. But previous entries masquerade that really well. You don't feel like you're in a tunnel when playing them. No such luck with 13. In the other games your suspension of disbelief works, in 13 it doesn't.

Look man, I'm going to level with you. You and me are different people. We have different opinions on stuff.
I like shit that you hate probably as well, like FF8.

Your argument here makes no sense. If you wanna compare them that way, then it made sense from a story standpoint for XIII too. You thinking the game is a long tutorial has nothing to do with the story.

>You're not fucking special.
was it really necessary to add this part in?

Because FFX actually had a sense for pacing.

Also it opened up near the end and it had a good amount of side content.

>You don't feel like you're in a tunnel when playing them.
X

Wasn't the whole point of XIII that you were being framed as terrorists and had to be on the move all the time until you got out of Cocoon? It wouldn't make sense to have towns to run around in and sidequests to do because you're being chased the whole time. VII had a similar plot about terrorism, but the party is the one doing the chasing the entire game after leaving Midgar. In XIII the party is on the run from the Final Fantasy CIA the whole game and can't stay in one place long. The one time the whole party gets together at Hope's parents house they get surrounded by helicopters and attack squads to emphasize that point.

The linearity of the game fit the plot

The characters in XIII were fugitives on the run. Why would they revisit prior locations they have been?

We understood FFX was trying something new. No one thought they'd be stupid enough to do it again.

You still tasting that cock, user?

>All final fantasy games except the MMO are linear.
FF1 is pretty open once you pick up the canoe

>Running down a hallway with no doors to escape the people chasing you
>They still get ahead of you and capture you

FFX is my favorite FF game.

I'd let Jihl capture me any day.

>make an whole sexy model
>appears for a total of 2 minutes

Still doesn't answer my question,but okay.

X at least had a somewhat interesting story and characters you actually cared about. XIII didn't. The only character who was somewhat likable was the black guy.

Well if you are being chased and your pursuer has already searched and area it can be smart to go back

FFXIII gets shat on for completely different reason.

But dont you think they would still keep some people posted? Just in case.

FFX was good, XIII was not.

Even if it makes absolute sense, its not fun, I get wherre you are coming from, but the way the put the system just wasnt fun at all, and it sucks that the fun part is literally the semi-final chapter of the game.

Most people who hate FFXIII hate X too you fucking faggot, in fact X gets the most blame to have ruined the FF series.

Dumb thing to say. X has a massive fanbase, XIII does not.

The narrative should be made to fit the gameplay, not the other way around.

>X has a massive fanbase

And the vast majority of those also like garbage like Kingdom Hearts and other autistic drivel. They're all manchildren, dumb women and weeaboos.

[citation needed]
you're just full of shit

>XIII does not.
pffhahaha, maybe not in the west, but asia loves it. And that's the market that counts for SE.

>13 hour tutorial
>13 hours of unskippable cutscenes featuring retards
not sure which one is worse really

>X has a massive fanbase, XIII does not.

Nigger that tranny Lightning is in fucking car commercials down in moonland.

>FFX
>Has various distractions to shake things up throughout the game

>FFXIII
>Nothing to do but fight battles and walk down the linear corridor for hours.

FFX makes up for its linearity by having a great side activities and the best battle system.
XIII does not have either of these.

Because ffx does everything better than ff13

FF13 > FF10

>commercials are what the people choose
wew

>stupid ass butterfly minigame
>that horribly controlled chocobo race
>that absolutely autistic dodge 100 lightning strikes thing to unlock only half of a weapon
other than that i can agree though. the intl version was pretty awesome.

>yes, we're going to pay money to advertise with this unpopular character
Damn, you're dumb. Lighting is even #1 female FF character in the japanese polls. You don't know shit.

>he actually believes advertisements are voted by the community
retard

Because FFX IS LITERALLY babbys first JRPG. Anyone who started playing games post SNES and PS1 era has nostalgia goggles for tripe like FFX and will never admit it is a shit game with a easily broken combat system with nearly no exploration or deviations from a straight path until you're 3/4s into the game.
They will also deflect any criticism with shit like "well FFXIII was worse", "I played the previous ones, X is where they mastered turn based combat", "Tidus is annoying but at least hes not Vaan". Most disgusting weeabos I have ever met usually hold this game dear, that should tell you something.

Also FFXII > FFX in all accounts, theres no denying this Xbabs

>using a poll with recency bias on release week
She's not longer at the top and hasn't been for a while, iirc last poll tifa won

Final Fantasy was never good. Any praise it's given is due to shit taste and nostalgia goggles.

Cause the plot is built around it. The linearity makes sense for someone going on a pilgrimage. The game opens up after you disband from said pilgrimage.

the only good ff game was on the sega consoles

>real-time facial expressions
What the fuck does that even mean?

>x gets the most blame for ruining the series

nope, X had raving reviews and was incredibly popular

XI was something that only the most autismal fucks would play at the time

XII was the one that was polarizing, and made people question where the franchise was heading

XIII was the nail in the coffin, and pretty much ruined the series for anyone who wasn't a pathetic waifufag

XIV was absolute trash on release

The characters are animated like real people during cutscenes with expressions you can actually see instead of blocky video game characters

Is no one going to comment on the things listed as if revolutionary but taken for granted now?

character models have changing facial expression that arent FMVs

none of that stuff is any new even back then. shenmue did it before ffx

>FFXII
>a game so fuckin shit and boring
>the devs had to add a Fast-Forward button

13 is more linear
>not an argument
not a rebuttal

>nope, X had raving reviews and was incredibly popular

I don't care, the game was garbage and had all the faults that would later on become the trash that is the Lightning trilogy and XV. XI was amazing, XII was still good, XIV is good after the rerelease.

>XI was something that only the most autismal fucks would play at the time

Check out this normalfag, jesus christ.

>gets proven wrong
>"I don't care!"

>console MMO
>calling others normies

13 is more linear.

>this game is shit
>no it's popular and journos liked it!

Nothings proven, faggot. By that criteria CoD must be a masterpiece.

Kings' Honor, friend.

CoD is a masterpiece tho

The problem with XIII is that it had shitty level design, regardless of it being linear. Every Final Fantasy game sans XI, XIV, and XV is linear. XIII just did a shitty job at disguising its linearity and instead turned the game into a hallway simulator. This is coupled with boring gameplay mechanics, a confusing fanfic tier story, and the most unlikable cast of characters ever seen in a Final Fantasy game.

X had dull level design too, but it at least it still had good gameplay, story, and characters.

It's not like the other games werent linear either. You may have had a world map, but it was generally still going from point A to point B

>FFX
>good story and characters

Shut the fuck up.

XIII's main problem its world is fucking boring. The art direction is bland and uninspired, the monster designs are, plain and simple, the worst of the franchise, and the characters design aside for Light and Fang are pretty awful and generic. Not to mention that the combat system is a complete mess, the story takes forever to even start, and yeah, it's painfully linear, more so than X.

All I want to say to this is...
Yuna with that look on her face on the back of that case Is something I've nutted to at least 8 times when I was 13

Just.goddamn

Can we all just agree that linearity isn't a bad thing?

Linearity in games keeps the story focused and doesn't hamper the experience so long as the game has good level design.

And open world gameplay doesn't mean shit if all you're doing is exploring a vast open wilderness of nothing.

>And the vast majority of those also like garbage like Kingdom Hearts
KH1 and 2 are far deeper (mechanically) than the vast majority of FF games. You might want to get some taste yourself before call other's shit.

>Can we all just agree that linearity isn't a bad thing?

It's not, if the areas have a decent size and it let you explore them at your own pace. Like XII, for example.

RPGfags are incredibly stupid and mindless sheep. It was popular to like X and dislike XIII, so that's what they do, despite XIII having far, far stronger gameplay.

How about you play a real RPG from time to time instead of your JRPG garbage for literal children?

I hate both games and RPGs are my favorite genre, what now?

>I'm a retarded casual that can't handle core gameplay and need shallow, pointless distractions
Gee, wonder why gaming is going to shit.

Can't we all just agree that all FF games suck, the story always suck, the characters are always retarded and the combat is always boring as hell?

You might have a point if the core gameplay was great instead of mediocre JRPG drivel.

>the best battle system.
>best battle system
>Auto Potions, Auto Phoenix and Quick Hit all day, erry day
no

Yes, except Tactics.

IV-IX say no. Sure they have a variety of flaws but all of those games are rock solid if you're into RPGs.

>implying virtually all games wouldn't be improved by a fast forward button for traversing areas

>KH1 and 2 are far deeper (mechanically) than the vast majority of FF games.
>implying deep mechanics are continuously mashing X until you win
Good one faggot.

I agree, I'm glad FF13 cut all useless fluff plaguing the series.

They did the same to FF7, 8 and 9 on PC. Even the PS4 version of FF7 and 9 has a fast-forward button.

>How about you play a real RPG
Oh yes, what elemental paper scissors rock menu simulator would you suggest?

>instead of your JRPG garbage
Nigger I fucking JRPGs, KH1 and 2 are action games, and KH2FM is a really, really good action game.

Compare KH to a game like Devil May Cry and see how much of a faggot you are.

Will I guess that means you're only half retarded.

>the KH autists have arrived

Only fanbase that's on par with Sonic and Minecraft, seriously. Literally the cringiest game ever made.

XIII's one of the best FF's far as gameplay goes, while X turns into complete garbage by the end.

>not an argument
Whether you like it or not, it is the reason.