The first three Smash Bros games were all fun in their own way. Why isn't this one fun?

The first three Smash Bros games were all fun in their own way. Why isn't this one fun?

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I just liked playing as cloud like last year, I kept ranking up and shit, I kinda regret selling my Wii U for weed...

>Wii U
>$50+ DLC
>Cancerous online with Smash hell
>Nerfing the best characters
>No campaign or true Classic mode
>Kid Icarus references everywhere
>Can't use custom moves online in For Glory
>Clones and FE everywhere
They could've buffed everyone and gave them better specials. The final smashes still suck from Brawl.

I think it's fun but you might think it's too similar to Brawl and therefore not interesting as a unique experience.

Lack of villain characters, the entire list of characters in or below C rank, and the new stages suck. What was the "Temple" of Smash 4 other than Omega mode?

Brawl wasn't fun in any way.

>brawl
>fun

Being on Wii U isn't a problem. Mario Kart 8 and other games are still fun despite being on a platform few bought. But you're right about everything else.

I'd also add that 90% of the stages are shit. Its like they went out of their way to make levels more chaotic and annoying than previous games. Every new stage is like Poke Floats.

Brawl was fun. Boss battles and cutscenes should come back. It made the game have charm. The multiplayer sucked though.

>mfw I know lots of potheads who literally sell their possessions to buy weed but maintain they're not addicted

I'm not the kind of autist who wants Nintendo to go full on Melee 2.0 with the next Smash game, but if there's one thing I want to bring back it's Melee's sense of momentum. In Sm4sh it's such a buzzkill to be sprinting at top speed only to lose it all after jumping. Air combat just isn't fun, even when you ignore the U-Air U-Air U-Air combos.

I enjoyed the Subspace Emissary. That's another key issue I have with Sm4sh, no proper singleplayer mode besides "Classic".

because they killed tourneys already so no more Sup Forumseekends. Fuck you, Nintendo.

Sup Forumskends were killed off by autism a long time ago anyhow.

This game is both like Brawl and removes everything good Brawl did at the same time. Basically it carried over all the characters Brawl had, but changed or removed every other thing Brawl did.

And even with the characters transferred from Brawl like Diddy Kong or Toon Link, they have unnecessary changes in timing and combos. Seriously, for what purpose? It sure didn't balance them.

I like the game but its severe lack of an interesting single player campaign, like Adventure mode or Subspace Emissary, makes it kind of a drag to pick up and play. Smash Run gets pretty dull after a while

SSE is fun in PM but in vanilla brawl it's way too fucking slow to be entertaining for more than an hour.

>Costumes can't change a character design. i.e. Link to Skyward Sword or Ocarina variants
>Characters no one asked for like Duck Hunt
>Custom stages are gimped and can't be used online.
>Mii's are wasted potential. Instead why not pick any move in the game to equip.
>Gotta grind for custom parts
>3DS port limits the character selection
>Megaman over Megaman X or Zero

Just make Smash 4 cross-compatible on PS4 and Xbone and online wouldn't be dead and full of insta-banners.

kys, nigga, Duck Hunt Dog is literally one of the chief classic NES characters. That shit was a launch title and sol with Super Mario Brothers. A whole lot fucking better than another anime swordsman.

nitpicks

No adventure/story mode or break the targets. No kino FMV intro.

>Duck Hunt Dog is literally one of the chief classic NES characters
Dig Dug is a much cooler throwback
What to nitpick about? They took out Snake too.

The 3DS version is fun at least. Smash Run > Smash Tour.

I guarantee that a decade from now people are gonna be praising the fuck out of this game. There are people who unironically defend Brawl despite it being a total disaster. The Smash Cycle is real.

>the announcer doens't even yell SUPER SMASH BUH-RRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS at the title screen

It's like they deliberately tried to remove every bit of charm from the series.

dig dug is namco, not nintendo

RIP Ice Climbers, Wolf, Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and switchable Zeldamus.
Not even overpriced DLC could save you.

So is Sonic and Cloud. But Dig Dug and Bomberman has been on all systems since the NES.

>Characters no one asked for like Duck Hunt
But Duck Hunt Dog is one of the few original and good things the game did. There's a ton of characters no one ever asked for like Marth or Falco but became the most loved characters.

>Megaman over Megaman X or Zero
You just hate games that came before the gamecube, don't you?

They keep making a shitty fighting game when all we want is a more refined subspace emmicary mode

>Dig Dug
Dig Dug is both less known and from one of the worst games ever made. And also not Nintendo, Sega or Capcom.

Is it just me or does all the new characters like Little Mac, RosaLuma, Wii Fit Trainer, and Pacman seem gimmicky. They aren't as fun as melee characters and depend on too much luck.

It's much better than Brawl. Brawl was garbage.

user, Megaman X and Zero was on the SNES. Don't make yourself a fool. Just put in both characters, I mean they got the model and everything.

It's called being difficult to master.

>almost feels like the characters have been already optimized and it's been 3 years since it came out
>the 3ds version holding back the wii u version meme because it couldn't run a pair of retarded characters (ice climbers)
>autistic montages made by competitivefags with terrible editing that make them seem epic when they're not
>the drama surrounding the community
It got boring. 3DS version was cool though.

Wii Fit Trainer is anything but luck. She's actually overpowered when you master her. You just actually have to learn to play her, rather than just spamming smash moves.

>They aren't as fun as melee characters
That's every character in the game.

I'd love to have all the new character in Melee gameplay, especially Ryu. Fuck i'd love to have all the new characters in 64 gameplay.

No good singleplayer content besides Event Matches.
Intrusive stage hazards everywhere.

>That's every character in the game.
Nope. The rank system proves that some characters outright suck. Don't get me wrong, I like playing characters outside my zone, but then how do I git gud with Palutena and slow fighters when they need a big improvement on the moveset. Instead, Nintendo nerfs awesome characters like Greninja so you can't have fun.

The DLC was overpriced like FUCK and NEVER saw a reduction in price, but it was a fucking amazing game.

>The rank system

Fuck are you talking about. You mean the tier list? And that has nothing to negate the fact that they'd all be more fun in the Melee engine.

The new stages sucked ass and Palutena's Temple and The Great Cave Offensive was terrible. What the hell were they smoking? Just give us another Temple-like place with no stage hazards and not too big.

Shielding is way too safe and airdodges are free making things a lot less fun.

Yeah I meant that. Also I agree with the melee engine. Just fix the tier list and change characters with gimmick moves, like Zelda and Little Mac to be better.

Shield breaking is near impossible with the mercy time of perfect shielding. Especially online where 5 frames too soon and it still works.

Some characters are fundamentally broken in design. Zelda is one of them, I can't imagine any way to make her well-balanced.

>horrible stage selection
>bad item selection
>majority of newcomers have some sort of gimmick behind them
>singleplayer is awful, Online is still barebones
>For Fun is somehow worse than With Anyone in Brawl

she already has kill power, give her better foot speed and less knockback for combos

>muh tier list
Is utterly pointless since the very people who deterine the 'tier list' prove it wrong by using characters like Samus and Jigglypuff to win tournaments. Not to mention 99.9% of players just play for fun with friends or against the AI. And any character can be good for that. I regularly beat my friends with Luigi while they spam the fuck out of Falco and Shiek.

> The controls felt weird, manageable but not as satisfying as melee
> The DLC characters were audience pandering rather than creative additions (maybe Bayonetta was a nice add)
> Master core boss wasn't challenging or fun, just annoying
> Clones everywhere
Usually I don't care about clones as long as they have a lot of variation, but there were just too many

because they lost a lot of development time doing two versions which was absolutely fucking innecessary

Easy. Replace Twilight Zelda with Skyward Sword or BOTW Zelda. Take away the Lightning Kick for a faster move and give her moves the potential to kill at 90%. Fix the hitboxes on her. Neutral B works like Fox's reflector. Give her down B the Greninja lightning kick counter. Her teleport can now homing attack on people. Better kill throws.

Any questions?

Tell that to Nintendo's constant nerfs and buffs then. Nobody is autistic enough to use garbage like Duck Hunt just to prove they're good. Learn about balancing and good characters in every fighting game. That's why Tiers exist.

>Nobody is autistic enough to use garbage like Duck Hunt just to prove they're good.
You severely underestimate people's autism. This is the same community that clamored for MewTwo to return, despite being the worst character in Melee.

The Wii U only lived so long because of Smash and Splatoon. Every other game, like 3D World failed the fans. Had they skipped this game, we'd have the switch by 2013.

5 people had the game COMPLETELY RUINED by watched a cutscene compilation on youtube before buying brawl so now there will never be a new campaign

Where are the combos? At least hitstun was bugged in Brawl.

>Kid Icarus references everywhere
That's not a negative

>try to play against AI
>they can get out of hit stun 100% of the time
>go fucking crazy perfect any time an item appears
Still not hard. You can cheese the AI even more than ever in this game. It's just fucking annoying that they have two modes. Bean bag and OMG PERFECT DODGE!

almost no single player content
multiplayer is still fun as hell tho

He also said he isn't interesting in giving us Uprising 2. That means no Uprising HD on the Swtich. Sakurai has created a new series to die with no fanfare.

Custom moves as a random reward tied to a random category completely killed any desire to get them for 95% of players. I have no idea what they were thinking. What a waste of development.

But it is.
Also Melee is the complete opposite of fun. Unless you find autistic fights fun.

I only had the wii u game. Were the 3ds stages any better?

This ruined it for me. Just this. Just...why?

>tfw no switch smash coming
;_;

It didn't have a defining caracteristic, it was just "kinda like Brawl but with less modes".
Also, the stages and items are fucking terrible, not even my most casual of friends like it.

Some of them were better.

I liked Rainbow Road on 3DS over the Mario Circuit MK8 stage on Wii U.

The new Mute City stage on 3DS was a neat concept compared to rehashing Port Town on Wii U.

The Kid Icarus stage (Reset Bomb Forest) on 3DS wasn't as good as Palutena's Temple on Wii U IMO.

Great Cave Offensive was ambitious but nobody plays it and Dreamland (on 3DS) is a pretty bland and inoffensive stage.

Pac-Maze (3DS) is superior to Pac-Land (Wii U).

I hope one of the 3 exclusive releases Bamco has planned for Switch next year is a port of Smash 4 with all the 3DS stages personally to keep us sated until Smash 5.

>Brawl was fun
Why do people make up shit?

What do you mean?

The only locked content behind that was Level 50 CPU and even then it just meant that they were super-charged up in stats, not necessarily more skilled.

Besides, I'm sure it was alot of peoples' dreams to collect trophies like in the games and most aren't hard to come by these days.

Because you need to play it with fun people from Sup Forums

>tfw smashfags can't shut the fuck up about Switch Smash for one fucking day

because it's sterile and souless, no singleplayer, lazy trophies, not so much a celebration of Nintendo games as it is a Fire Emblem simulator, the moving stages are all shit, had half of its stages cut between the two versions, the gameplay is just sitting on your ass waiting for the opponent to approach because of the OP shield + grab

but Sup Forums doesnt play it anymore

Wow, I didn't think Sup Forums could get any more delusionally retarded.

I called Duck Hunt being in this game from day 1 and I was still disappointed when it showed up. I didn't want to be that guy, I wanted to be someone who'd appreciate weird and wacky roster choices. I just started to think that there's too much time and effort going in to characters whose only purpose is to surprise.

No amount of rationalizations about the importance of their history with Nintendo or sales numbers will tell me that Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt were put into the game for any reason other than the surprise factor. Once their trailers were done playing, they had served their purpose and offered nothing more to the table. Ended up being to of the least fun characters to plays as.

Yeah we do. discord.gg/n5f29WY

A trademark for the new game went up yesterday ya fuck

I actually think Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt were put into the game as iconic images of Nintendo's past characters. Like all Smash characters.

So what about Game and Watch. And ROB.

good argument

Nobody wanted him to stay shit you dumbass

Amiibos only fueled the cancer of the Smash base with scalpers to Rosalina hoarders raising the prices of your favorite characters. Plus, this shouldn't have been locked content to begin with, just like Splatoon minigames.

Just make trophy collectible toys instead of making crappy bonuses in the entire wii era. Thank god, the Switch doesn't need it cause it would've ruined Odyssey with "exclusive" character clothes.

>Smash
>not MK8

>Thank god, the Switch doesn't need it cause it would've ruined Odyssey with "exclusive" character clothes.

But they did have exclusive character clothes for Mario Odyssey-specific amiibo.

Also for those who just want the content, they could simply by an NFC card pack for $9 or so and have all the amiibo content they could ever desire.

>But they did have exclusive character clothes for Mario Odyssey-specific amiibo.
You can boy those after beating the game, so it's not exclusive. The only thing truly exclusive to amiibo is the purple coin radar that Bowser has.

Not that user, but they were good characters in their own right. Duck Hunt and Megaman isn't as fun as I'd hope to be. Palutena was awful. And Wii Fit was bizarre. We need more iconic people like Pac Man and even he needs work. Killing people with these guys is so unsatisfying and unimaginative. Also, they all throw like shit.

Your argument is literally just retarded shit that makes no sense.

BOY
You can buy*

And the fact one of the Amiibo gives you invincibility

>Brawl
>Fun
Inb4 projectmfags. Your shitty mod is a piece of shit go play melee if you think you're that good.

>tfw I watched the gameplay for Sm4sh and it ruined it for me and I didn't buy it

(You)

Wii Fit was the fucking defining factor of an era.
IF you think for some reason a black game and watch sprite fits but the wii fit girl doesn't, you're just picking at shit.

MK Wii and DS was better. None of my friends like MK8's physics or stages. And we loved Double Dash.

no, it does. you're the one with no argument

I think its acceptable because its in a fucking smash thread

>Wii fit
>Defining
Are you gonna tell me all the Just Dance series for Wii are defining too? Wii Fit is just a meme and Wii Sports was the MOST defining in that era.
You just want more waifu bait.

I feel similarly about them. Not quite so intensely. These characters only work as a gag once and should be benched for a bit after that. Duck Hunt and Wii Fit being stages were enough. ROB's move set is mostly bullshit anyway. Game and Watch I'd take as a full character if only because his stages are always such clusterfucks, and I'd hate for that to be the only representation of Nintendo's first handheld. Even still I'd rather they not prioritize work on these characters when a new Smash comes along.

I have yet to see any actual arguments as for why the game isn't fun. You're all just being petty and retarded because when you're on Sup Forums you're not allowed to like what everyone else likes.