>tfw can't enjoy games with ludonarrative dissonance after finishing Nier: Automata
Yoko Taro really went the extra mile to assure Automata would have the most perfect ludonarrative harmony.
I won't settle for mediocrity anymore.
Any game less than perfect isn't worth my time.
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Memes aside, gameplay and story segregation is a problem, and games that tackle it properly should be celebrated.
You choose wrong site to talk about it.
nu/v/ gonna shit all over NieR in
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Nier's awesome!
Looks like SE underestimated it big time. Otherwise we would have something substantial for DLC.
Good to know you enjoyed the game, Op. It's definitely one of my faves too.
The problem is, the only games that can artfully hide the fact that you're engaging with a piece of software are games that are about machines/robots/software.
It's easy for a Sci-Fi game like Automata to do what it did, it's about combat androids following orders. That's the PERFECT vessel for "computer program controlled by a player", but you can't just reuse it for every game.
Real scanner models when?
Ludonarrative dissonance is a dumb thing to complain about. I enjoy seeing a game trying marry its gameplay with its narrative as much as possible, but it doesn't inherently make a game better.
Lately I've come to prefer games that are content to be games. Like how in Mario, every world is an island floating above an endless pit and there are just boxes and powerups around.
Why? Because it's more fun that way. No better explanation needed.
I want to fuck 9s
more like cognitive dissonance
lol what a retard
>ludonarrative
Man I didn't know this had a name.
You have the best words OP.
>games that are content to be games
Oh yeah. There's definitively room for both to me.
>Yoko Taro really went the extra mile to assure Automata would have the most perfect ludonarrative harmony.
You mean besides the part where the pods magically revive everyone, an ability they suddenly have, is demonstrated via a shump segment in the credits and hamfisted fourth wall breaking instead of literally anything that could actually be happening in universe?
Low IQ post.
The ending is a masterfully crafted piece of metanarrative
On the textual level Ending E was about Pods 042 and 153 hacking the pod network and their own programming to recreate the memories of their friends in order to save them.
On a meta-textual level the only survivors are working together with the players to reject the inevitable tragic fate via destroying the 'creators to create a new ending free of the shackles of the 'fiction.'
>an ability they suddenly have
Yorha always had that ability. The transporters have spare bodies/parts and transfer the androids' consciousness data in a new body when you "teleport". Also when you die, you get a new body. The pods probably used what was left of the transporters to revive you one last time. They're safe to use again after what happened in the tower I guess.
>2b has a big butt meme
It's really not that big at all, it's standard white girl ass. I feel like this is being pushed by retards who think simply having an ass = having a big one.
Why are people so desperate to look smart?
You're going to make vidya turbo-nerds want to beat you up and stuff you in a locker user. That's pretty hardcore.
I understood the meta/philosophical point just fine, but ludo-narrative dissonance means that the story and gameplay aren't tied together, having you do something that symbolizies the stuggle of the character is the most ludonarrative dissonant thing possible
except that the servers that have their memories go boom when the yorha space station did, which is why you no longer have the vaugely dark souls mechanic in route C, so even if they can somehow pull out one last body from a transporter how could they get their consciousness?
It's not big and it's stupid to insist it is. She has a nice butt, but it isn't big.
Those games are fine since story isn't their main focus, however a story-focused game should definitely put in the extra effort to marry storytelling with gameplay.
Get in line
It's twice her waist's size, Trevon.
>how could they get their consciousness?
Maybe 9S' black box was still fine. So the pods could have retrieved it from the rubbles. 2B's black box isn't fine, but she supposedly stored her memories in her sword (that sword that killed 9S AGAIN). Or there might have been extra backups somewhere. Anywhere really. Maybe the pods have them built-in. Maybe there are still backups of their base personality data and the pods recorded enough to have some sort of differential for them. I read estimates that a human mind could probably be represented with 1 to 2000 TBs. That's not a lot, especially in the future.
Doesn't make it big.
You mean 2B/A2.
9S is male.
>Getting to something really fucked up in the story.
>That fucking cunt that cries to me about how much he hates anime messages me out of nowhere repeating "2B's ass" for like, 10 posts.
I felt Nier Automata was one of the more mediocre games to come out this year.
As for the narrative it didn't feel special, whatever this game was trying to convey it was already done better in comics and anime.
I want to fuck 9S while he fucks 2B. That's what I really really want.
I want to fuck 9S (male).
Am I missing something or what's so special about Nier's narrative? I'm at the part where you play as A2 and so far it's just mindless hack n slash with hour long cutscenes.
Real games that blend gameplay with story would be Bloodborne.
perhaps you should consider watching the cutscenes, tyrone
but that's gay.
t. user that only finished ending A.
Ending E is literally impossible outside of ludomedia.
Does someone have the text in the background?
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holy god damn boner, jesus christ
dear diary today I discovered that the thought of being suffocated to death by 2B causes me a gargantuan diamond boner
forgive me padre for I have sinned
>hour long cutscenes
If they feel that long to you you're probably not enjoying the game very much. They really aren't very long and I don't remember there being a lot of them. But yeah I think the game could have been better with less cutscene type interruptions. I don't know about OP's "ludonarrative harmony", to me Automata was largely about how the game manages to manipulate the player's mind to make you feel things. They use the music, visuals, and even the story and the philosophical questions to that effect. They want you at the right place mentally for when they want to hit you with something emotional. And it mostly work I think, for most people. It's surprising that they put so much effort into something like this. No wonder Squeenix was afraid of the game flopping hard.
full image where
>people claim the game is good
>not a single post about the gameplay, everyone just jerks off the story and masturbates over 2B and 9S
Nier is a worse game than Uncharted, with a worse story to boot. I mean at least in an Uncharted thread, SOMEONE will talk about the gameplay.
>ludo
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You mad
The entire thread is about the gameplay harmony with the story, such as the hacking and the flight sections being integrated with essentially the same controls as the hack and slash, the saving being justified in game, the music integrated into the gameplay.
The whole game feel like a smooth experience. Sure, you can isolate the raw gameplay, but it isnt as good as the whole package.
My opnion was that the combat was very smooth, better than any other Squenix "Action JRPG" (such as XV and KH), but easily exploitable.
Hey, fuck you man
>The entire thread is about the gameplay harmony with the story,
>opening post is literally cropped porn
Take your movies games back to Sup Forums, Yoko.
>but easily exploitable
Thankfully cause I don't even like this kind of combat but at least it wasn't too hard. Well I guess a rebalance would have been better. Easy is too easy and Normal would have been a pain in the ass without the cheesing. Until you get overleveled and then same thing with Normal and Hard. I can understand how disappointing it can be that you can become really good at it, or just cheese your way through it and it makes no difference in the outcome in the game.
kek, I was excepting this, you fags can't comprehend someone having faults with the game so you have to jump to baseless conclusions and go "U DIDEN FINISH IT!"
I got ending E m8 shut the fuck up.
Nier Automata is brainlet's first 2deep4u game.
I think gamers nowadays have way too high expectations for action-RPGs, they expect all games to be as "deep" as DMC:3-4
Pre-2005 we would have been really lucky to have an A-RPG with 1 attack button, 1 jump button and a simple spell/shoot button.
When did the Latin word for play/game became a buzzword?
It's a shame your game is directly tied to the idea of retarded sex robots. No matter how much of an effect you think the game had on you, I'm positive that you and 90% of the playerbase bought it for one reason and one reason.
You literally didn't "get" ending E then, brainlet.
You said:
>whatever this game was trying to convey it was already done better in comics and anime.
Tell me a comic/anime that successfully conveyed the same message as ending E.
It's literally impossible to do it outside ludomedia.
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>draw a short haired girl
>call it a boy
Ludo is not a buzzword yet
Wtf? I want to fuck 9ass (male) now?
Why are the only combat units Women? Why are the maledroids shota scanner nerds?
>I'm going to kill ALL machines
>don't
Because manly men droids would be gay.
Why is the relationship between 9S and 2B so admired by women, but if the roles were reversed, there'd be hell?
Nier Automata has themes about godhood 'life's purpose' so let's see we got Watchmen, Ghost in the Shell, EoE any Jodorowsky comic, just to name a few.
In the end, anyone can say a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo, throw in some symbolism and then say "make your own interpretation" and be praised as an ascended intellect.
2b can fuck off brother Nier is better
What happened with Emil in this game?
Do his sideques He fucking dies
I shed some manly tears during his battle in the desert
>Nier Automata has themes about godhood
You really misunderstood the game's themes.
Did you make sure to play Drakengard 1-3, Nier, read the side materials and concerts before playing Automata?
Automata is not a standalone game, you know.
WHY?
FUCK YOU TARO
yeah wtf he should've just stayed crazy for ten thousand more years
>root for a character
>he becomes crazy for thousands of years and dies
I reiterate FUCK YOU TARO
This. Someone clearly didn't pay much attention. Emil earned his death like no one ever has before him. That was the greatest gift he ever could have gotten after all the shit he went through.
I really, really enjoyed 9S death for being a vapid cunt.
>retarded sex robots
The androids are plenty smart and they seem to be mostly asexual.
>I'm positive that you and 90% of the playerbase bought it for one reason and one reason
Nearly 100% of the playerbase of pretty much any game bought it because of marketing.
Yorha changed it at some point. They used to have male combat units. There's a stage play about them and there was an incident. Maybe they figured they found the female personalities more manageable.
>Why is the relationship between 9S and 2B so admired by women
Is it?
>but if the roles were reversed, there'd be hell?
Double standards.
females look less threatening to machines
He was awarded peace man. Its all good now.
I don't think they even notice the difference.
>ANDROIDS ARE SCARY
I guess that's the best one can hope for a character on a Taro game
Not all woman, but there is a significant number of fujos and female weebs into it.
>Cute, non threatening pretty boy who actually really love you with all of his soul and goes turbo nuclear to protect you
>Gorgeous girl with a dark twist that still love her boyfriend and carry a heavy weight in their backs
>Both with a goth fashion girls seen to love
>Tragic love story to end it all.
I think that the group of people that like the relationship between 9S and 2B is a different group of people that would complain if the sexes were reversed.
The point being that if it was a hunk male robot and a loli type robit, they'd be offended.
I started the game and I was sort of enjoying it, but not really. Then I died and lost all my chips and quit. I might go back some day.
My issue is that the gameplay is extremely simple. You pretty much only mash and that's it. Different weapons don't change the gameplay style at all, only the animations, and the rpg elements felt bolted in, since the progression didn't felt good at all. Plus grinding for attack up chips was boring as hell.
That prety much prevented me from enjoying the story.
But that's just my opinion. I'm glad you enjoyed the game.
Devilman.
>image search couldnt find it
Give the source please
just load a previous save when you die.
I mean, their body types aren't that far apart. Like, say. You're thinking toobs is some cake and 9s is some shota, they'd probably a year or two apart at most.
yeah, of course, I mean, that death itself was not the problem. My problem was that it was some bullshit death (some camera issue or something) and it was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back since I was not enjoying the game at all.
>Then I died and lost all my chips and quit. I might go back some day.
Yeah I just reloaded instead.
>My issue is that the gameplay is extremely simple. You pretty much only mash and that's it.
Sounds like you haven't really figured out the combat. You should try chaining light attacks, heavy attacks, jumps and dodges and see how your character does those. With different weapons the moves can be different. Also they're different if their in light or heavy attack mode. Using these appropriately will make you much more effective and you can raise the difficulty level instead of mashing buttons. Because when you're using those the timing matters you've gotta be at the right place at the right time.
>hegel
What the hell were they thinking with the behavior of 2B and S9 with Yorha?
The androids themselves designed project Yorha to give them a sense of purpose right? Why would they go to such lengths to hide the truth from other androids yet make a model that inevitably discovers the truth (s9)? Why not tweak S9s to not be clever enough to find the truth? Obviously they dont have any moral qualms about tweaking behavior if they went to the ludicrous effort of have a whole other model 2B specifically for killing S9s. And beyond that S9s are still stupidly risky because Yorha doesnt control the androids and the chaos happening on earth, so they can't guarantee the b2 paired with an s9 wont die first and leave a lone rogue s9 behind.
how does nier actually deal with ludonarative dissonance, i can spend hours and hours fucking around in the desert when im supposed to be deactivating those towers
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>you haven't really figured out the combat
Yeah, that was probablly my issue. After the semester is done and I clear something off my backlog I might go back to it.
I'll go check out to see if I find some documentation in advanced combat or something.
Thanks for the tips.
>they'd probably a year or two apart at most
Mentally they're not.
Well, while some questions are valid, the truth is that the original yorha androids were meant to be pawns, to be killed and discarded, but the whole "humanity in the moon" deal wasnt really in the original plans. It was quickly thrown together. Read about it here, you will probably like it
I got the impression that Nines is a special 9S unit that's better and smarter than others in his class/model. They built him to give themselves a leg up on the war, but only the Commander knew how dangerous it would be for him to figure out the truth, so she secretly reassigned 2E as 2B and paired her with Nines to act as a stopgap to him discovering the truth. She couldn't just shut down Nines without raising suspicion, but she also couldn't let him go out in the world unchecked, so this was the best compromise.
I'm not sure I got the Yorha stuff right desu.
>Why not tweak S9s to not be clever enough to find the truth?
Because they needed good cyberwarfare units I guess. They want to develop better and better androids. 9S is curious and intelligent and they needed that.
>so they can't guarantee the b2 paired with an s9 wont die first and leave a lone rogue s9 behind
Androids can't die unless the Yorha infrastructure is destroyed or they chose to discontinue them or whatever.
(You) could roleplay it as 9s going crazy from the logical virus