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What makes Dagoth Ur so cool?

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THE DREAMER IS AWAKE!

He's a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No recall or intervention could work in his place. Come, lay down your weapons. It is not too late for his mercy.

>game literally has a point where the bad guy says "please join my side"
>you can't
>even if you actually make the trek all the way to his base to see him in person

0/10

Joining Dagoth Ur is literally just staying out of his way or killing a crucial NPC.

OH my GOD

if morrowind did anything right, they did dagoth ur fucking perfectly.

I bet they had a board meeting

>sir our engine is shit, we can have like, 10 actors max at once, but like 1v2 and 1v3 fighting is terrible. 1v1 is a core mechanic of good gameplay with the engine. Large creatures are annoying too! How do we make a good end boss?

and holy fuck. those bad motherfuckers, they had the brains, the INTUITION, the PURE UNADULTERATED SKILL TO SAY:

the final boss is going to be an npc in a small room, and the player will 1v1 him.

And the 1v1 is going to be one of the coolest encounters in the game.

Then they had another board meeting:

>how do we make an npc that good? How do we make an npc the best encounter in the game?

And they solved it with the LORE

you hear about this dude all game, he gives you nightmares, his followers are fanatical, he lives in a goddamn mountain. You need ancient dwarven weapons to thwart his reincarnation of a mechanoid god.

Once you acquire said weapons, and fulfill the profecy, and fight your way to the center of the volcano

this dude. is just a dude. in a room. with a mask.

and he talks.

And it's insane to think that this whole time the dude that's been giving you nightmares, acquired hundreds of followers, and is preparing to launch an attack that will destroy the firmanent is standing right in front of you.

This is good boss design through proper game design, and catering a game around an engine.

his motives and goals are reasonable and relevant to the game world

>He's a god. How can you kill a god?
He's not an omnipresent god, user.
Not all gods are immortal. For example, Marvel Comics' Thor is a god, but he's not THE god. He's insanely powerful, but he won't live on forever.

He was unequivocally a great person and the most loyal ally to Nerevar. In the end, when you're facing him, you're left thinking that it's a shame that it had to come to this.
The tools seduced him and he became mad, but he never betrayed Nerevar like the Tribunal did.

>Reasonable

Oh boy, someone wasn't paying attention. Dagoth Ur's endgame is pure nightmare fuel. Ascended Sleepers aren't even the end of it. Think eternal unending pseudo undeath and suffering under the psychic yoke of Ur. For the entirety of Nirn. Yeah.

He makes Cthulu look like a light-weight.

how do i get a body like caius cosades

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You have to raw onions. Every day. You'll never make it user.

If you jump down to the heart he jumps into the lava.
Since he can't die and he blocked levitation spells he just wanders around down there going"Unhhh" every few seconds.

That was pretty cool.

Post your MC's and their history, I'll start.
>Argonian born 25 years before age 4E 201
>Started off as a warrior born from the hist as requested by Akatosh to end Alduin
>Sold into slavery at age 10
>Age 20 sent to Windhelm Docs
>Escapes 4 years later and roams Skyrim for his 1 free year
>Main quest starts, along with DLC
>My headcanon is that after the end of Dragonborn's quest, he "kills" Hermaus Mora, completely genocides the Thalmor, and Marries Serena, and moves back to the Black Marsh, making it a rich society, and raising a powerful army
>Since he and Serena are immortal (MC through his dragon-blood, and Serena because Vampire) they are alive possibly until the end of Tamriel
>In the end, the MC is proclaimed as the Tenth Divine

that was a quote from the game

>prisoner
>born on a certain day
>born to uncertain parents
>sent under guard, without explanation to Morrowind

here's my MC's story
>n'wah straight outta morrowind
>emperor dreamed of his face, it made him cum
>n'wah cradles the emperor's body in his arms, he watches the life ebb from his eyes. the emperor is dead, and n'wah, for the first time since he was but a wee lad, sheds a tear, swearing vengeance on those who have done this
>gives the amulet to jauffre and fucks off because MQ sucks ass
>hooks up with the thieves guild
>becomes the Gray Fox
>why they gotta call me by my skin color, man
>retires in his shack

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He's Lovecraftian as fuck

Us onionlads, amiright?

Dang mang, you must be on some skooma to have that one go over your head

>why is TES lore written like its by sn edgey 6th grader?

The voice. That's the secret sauce.

He laments that he did not try to get you to join him earlier, but he does not know if you are Nerevar. He had no reason to try and adopt you because he had the tools.

Drugs and lack of adult supervision when Morrowind was being worked on.

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>knocked on his ass wasted and naked
>clothing wardrobe right next to him

>Welcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.

>Post your MC's and their history

>Altmer, male
>Name: Adorf Hortler
>Training: Alteration, Restoration and Hand-to-Hand
>Lands in Anvil by ship because he was bored at home in Sommerset and wanted to join the Fighter's Guild in Cyrodiil
>Likes: Punching things to death
>Dislikes: Trolls and ogres

>doubt

Honestly this is what i would do but i doubt that todd would approve of that

The fifth one is the only Skyrim game I've ever played but let me tell you, anything before it in the franchise looks like fucking ass, especially this guy.

I met him briefly years ago.
He is kind of a twat.
There was a symposium of sorts.It was him and another author.
I forgot who the other guy was but he said something about Vivec an MK walked off stage.

Oh please Nerevar spare me

The drug thing is often overstated the alcohol was the problem.

don't fuck with him he'll cast curses on you

I dont doubt that, but I doubt the whole LSD thing. Seems like it was written by someone who doesn't do drugs

He was a good friend.

No, he was sweet and persistent

>mer
>good

Dunmer are the chosen people of the only daedra worth a damn

There are no daedra worth a damn.

Haven't you got some more fanfic to be writing, Vehk?

Let's see you do some hallucinogenic drugs and still maintain your ability to read.

>Dunmer are the chosen people of the only daedra worth a damn
They were literally cursed by azura because the tribunal were fucking traitors.

>prince of deceit and conspiracy, of competition and subversion
>prince of dusk and dawn, egotism and vanity
>prince of murder, sex and secrets
Truly worth a damn

>Leaving your mark on an entire race because three greedy cunts killed your special boy
Azura is truly best

He tried

The parts of the lore Kirkbride wrote (and the bits he contributed to Oblivion/Skyrim) are not bad, they might be edgy, but that doesn't mean bad by any stretch of the imagination. He might have taken drugs, they might have helped,but as he said,

>It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels

People talk about games that are self-aware and that use that self-awareness to push the narrative (Undertale's one example, while the game's terrible it knows how to blend it's story and its message with its mechanics) but so far Morrowind (and the other TES games by extension) is the only one I've seen where it includes the fact that it's a game in the lore itself. It knows it's an RPG in a different way that Undertale does. Undertale wants to play with shitty subversion-of-tropes dullness that puts me to sleep. It's also preachy to the point where I wonder how even Tumblr didn't get sick of it.

I see a significant amount of influence from these sources in the writing, and they all just so happen to intermingle with each other: Hinduism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Thelema, the Kabbalah, Hermeticism, ancient Greek religion/philosophy, ancient Roman religion/philosophy, ancient Egyptian religion/philosophy, Sufism, Zoroastrianism, Yezidism (the last four might be me stretching it), and a bunch of other shit I don't doubt Kirkbride has read, because the game's a clusterfuck of all of it.

The meta-aspect of Morrowind's lore is honestly the weakest and most speculative.
As a fictional history, remembered by different peoples with contrasting cultures and different motives, the lore is very strong and engaging.
I will hesitate defending Undertale's meta elements cause this is a comfy Morrowind thread.

>Morrowind is the only one I've seen where it includes the fact that it's a game in the lore itself
Are you talking about the CHIM shit? Because, aside maybe from some vague mention in the gibberish that are the Lessons of Vivec and, which for all we care were just bullshit rationalizations for Vivec to usurp power, it's not present in the game itself. I'd also argue that the reason why Morrowind is so good is the exact opposite -- the game takes its setting seriously and presents us with a realistic web of characters, motives and interests of its various inhabitants.

Pilates

>when you try to achieve Godhood but this little cuck fuck from the boonies tries to kill you

>that little cuck fuck managed to jury-rig a divine artifact that should kill anyone who wears it
>climbed the mutant-infested mountain with health barely buffed from -200hp to 5hp with homebrew potions
>fucked your shit up with a tuning fork and a meat mallet
>died halfway down the mountain when health buff potion ran out

Pilates are just sea marauders with a speech impediment.

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Not that autistic sorry

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To be fair, actual history isn't that much better.

fuckign lol

Wasn't that literally Cthulhu's endgame anyway?
unceasing pushups, situps, extreme masturbation, onions and skooma

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The closest thing to cthulhu having an endgame is
>[At the proper time,] the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from his tomb to revive His subjects and resume his rule of earth [...] Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
which is just the ramblings of some dude who claimed to have met the cthulhu cult

That squid nigga sleepy and probably gives zero shits

Can someone tell me what they changed about Oblivion, to make stuff like the alchemy/intelligence loop impossible? Did they get rid of stacking?

that's what I remembered from the crazy artists, anyway
now I am going to reread the entire mythos and dream cycle again

Sounds like an anarchist utopia :^)

they got rid of that and everything interesting besides

>I bet they had a board meeting
No man MK just got high as fuck and wrote TES lore

Man I read a bunch of the "necronomicon" story compilation while I was stuck in a library for 4 hours and it was trash. I got like 15 stories in and it was nothing but page after page of "and then something REALLY scary happened, but we're not going to describe it at all USE YOU IMAGINATION WOOOoooOOoOOooOOOoo"

You don't understand because you're a soulless nigger, fuck you

complex, multilayered deep villain

I'm white and there's nothing I hate more then writers use ambiguity to mask the fact that they haven't actually come up with something scary/interesting

It's called being a creatively bankrupt hack

You quite literally don't understand Lovecraft, and perhaps are incapable of understanding
please ask /lit/ for help, it may not be too late for you

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i started morrowind the other day. got killed by the first human in the first cave

I understand that he had no few ideas beyond "what if there was a fuckhuge squid man under the sea"

BASED

B A S E D

pls post first time morrowind mod guide

Step 1
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Step 2:
play the game

see

To add to what else has been said, if you get to a point where you're trying to learn a misc skill from level 5 and you're like "wow I can't fucking do anything" realize that you're supposed to buy at least 20 levels of training first