Can someone explain why TW:W and TW:W2 feature a medieval fantasy world when the Warhammer franchise is set in space...

Can someone explain why TW:W and TW:W2 feature a medieval fantasy world when the Warhammer franchise is set in space? Is this pre-Warhammer? An alternative timeline?

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separate games / universe.

>the state of Sup Forums
They are different franchises
Warhammer fantasy is roughly equivalent to warcraft as a setting
warhammer 40k is roughly equivalent to starcraft as a setting

Warhammer Fantasy Battle is not Warhammer 40k. It's the original and superior version.

Warhammer isn't fantasy though? It's clearly sci-fi after the Skaven fucked the fabric of the universe :^)

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Well, they TECHNICALLY are in the same universe.

You see, the 40k universes is contained inside a snowglobe in some random room of one of the colleges of magic in Altdorf, the Celestial Order I believe.

THE SUPREME GENTLEMAN

Thats because warcraft was their love letter to warhammer and SC was their attempt to make a 40k licensed game, but where told no after seeing the alpha (which, desu, I can see why they said no. it looked horrid and played worse.)

Huh, I had it understood that GW told them to fuck off with their Fantasy game alpha and they did Starcraft later. The more you know.

There's Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k. I'm kind of embarrassed for you to be honest but I know I shouldn't be. It's an easy thing not to know, but it still makes me cringe.

Na.
GW was kinda w/e about Warcraft (they had other issues at the time with other games). When GW approached them about a license, they agreed upon a 'timed' license (Bliz's idea since GW is sue happy). It would cover them making a working alpha of the game for approval.
It was also during this time they where given a tour of the facility and shown off the new models coming out (redesigned nids, new race the tau, etc).

When they showed off the alpha (made in the WC2 engine) it wasnt well recieved by GW and they said they where going to pass on the game. Since bliz already had a ton of concept art and already started on the engine,they just changed the names around, tweeked the designs enough and called it SC.

They where, of course, sued and won. Since it was done in the UK, the details are unknown about the settlement the judge reached, but its heavily suspected that it was a % of lifetime sales.

why doesn't blizzard sue them

You mean GW sue bliz?
They did. And won.

People need to stop bullying Queek, hes a good boy whos done nothing wrong

Wait so GW could potentially have been leeching off Koreancraft all this time? It might explain how they're still alive, those rotten vampires

>Warhammer
>Medieval
It's advanced renaissance with a bit of steampunk.
All Humans have gunpowder except for meme Bretonnia, Dorfs are steampunk af with all their technology. Skaven have WW1 tier technology. Lizardmen use fucking lasers. How it is in any way Medieval.

Pretty much.
Again, the suit was done in the UK and they dont have any expiring NDA's over there when it comes to sealed cases, we will never know the extent of the lawsuit and the victory prize GW got, but the victory is public record and some of the former higher ups of GW mentioned it a few times in older golden demon face to faces and such, but no one will ever go on record.

Magic lasers are magic, so I don't get why mention them.

Specially when Chaos dwarfs have fucking trains.

because theres no such thing as a non-medieval setting with elves, dwarves and orcs

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>Dwarfs
If you're gonna just copy Tolkien like all fantasy writers you could at least also copy his grammar

>If you're gonna just copy Tolkien like all fantasy writers
who is Robert E. Howard?
who is Moorcock?
who is Robert Jordan?
who is Terry Pratchett?
who is Ray Bradbury?
who is Steven Erikson?
who is Glen Cook?
Warhammer far is more Elric of Melniboune and Conan than Tolkien, other than High Elves

I fucking love fantasy my man, I wasn't trying to say there has never been any innovation after Tolkien
I was mostly referring to how many fantasy settings have Dwarves who live in mountains and mine and stuff
You know, just the regular races that most writers always use

>half of that shit is powered by magic
>steampunk
I hate you so much

>Tolkien invented Dwarfs/ Dwarves

You are pulling shit straight out of your ass.
kotaku.com/5929157/the-making-of-warcraft-part-1

This guy worked at Blizzard, revealed the Warhammer connection in Warcraft and never once mentioned any connection in Starcraft.
Why? Because there is none.

Stop spreading bullshit.

No, the guy you're talking to is a retarded LARPer making writing fanfiction. When Blizzard was making Warcraft 1 they negotiated with GW about a Warhammer license for a while but the deal fell through as Blizzard decided they prefer having full control over the IP. Starcraft came years later and never had anything to 40k, there was no lawsuit, nothing. Starcraft literally has nothing to do with 40k anyways, it's mostly an Aliens ripoff if anything.

>linking kotaku

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there's a good point to be made there, but I'd still say that Warhammer dwarfs are decently different from Tolkien's version, aside from the runic language and mountain holds schtick

Using dwarves as plural of dwarf is something that originated with Tolkien. Before that, everyone used dwarfs as plural.

What's the problem with GW using Dwarfs then?

You must be dumb as fuck if you dont know that blizzard is huge fans of GW and has ALWAYS been open about warcraft being a lovenote to them.

The first fucking ork codex is called Blood and Thunder for fuck sake.

Why is there no Total War: Warhammer 40k

Fuck of tertiaries. We don't want you in our hobby, at any cost. Fuck off.

The copy paste fucked up.
codeofhonor.com/blog/the-making-of-warcraft-part-1
Warcraft Art section.

You must be an even dumber fuck for being incapable of basic reading and comprehension.
I'm saying user is full of shit about Starcraft, not Warcraft.

Sorry my man, Dwarfs were always miners and stuff but Tolkien invented the whole mountain dwelling society as well as the plural Dwarves
I think it's very fair to say that most depictions of Dwarves in modern fantasy can be traced back to Tolkien
Yeah like I said I'm not saying there isn't innovation to be found. Just don't understand why they don't call them Dwarves if they're a modified form of Tolkien Dwarves
Grudges are great and fun by the way

Youre literally saying a public record of a lawsuit in the UK of GW vs Blizzard is fake because of a kotaku article never mentioned it?

Holy fuck dude.

And where is the source of that public demand?

What is Shadowrun

>shitaku
Right i'm sure blizzard just came up with it on their own, they didn't just steal GW stuff and make it more generic.

Go suck some more blizzard dick. faggot

Yeah, a retard. I had made absolutely 0 mention of Warcraft claims being in any way fake (not saying they aren't, but I don't have a way of disproving it, either).
And I linked an article from an ex-employee from that company that the chuckelfucks paraphrased.

In fact, you should apply at Kotaku. You'd fit right in not being able to piece together two sentences and lashing out at people like a retarded ape.

>In Germanic mythology, a dwarf is a human-shaped entity that dwells in mountains and in the earth, and is variously associated with wisdom, smithing, mining, and crafting
Warhammer borrows a lot from Tolkien, that's for sure, but Tolkien himself borrowed a heap from old English and Germanic folklore and mythology

This.

Starcraft and 40k steal... ehm, borrow from the same Western sci-fi canon all other sci-fi does. Starship Troopers, Aliens, that kind of stuff.

post it

Feel free to link me any reference of Dwarfs living in the earth in the Edda
No one knows shit about German mythology anymore except for that confused as fuck compilation of myths that doesn't explain anything

and now 40k and starcraft steal from each other. it's pottery

>Feel free to link me any reference
No thanks, guess you won

>Warhammer franchise is set in space
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 40K FAGS GET OUT

I wasn't trying to epically own you in a discussion, sorry if I came off as dismissive. The point is that there were a bunch of peoples in the Edda that are rarely mentioned and no one knows now whether they were supposed to be the same. Underground livers were the Dark Elves IIRC and it isn't possible to find out whether those are supposed to be the same as Dwarfs. Basically no one knows shit about historic German mythology because the only surviving evidence is a second and third hand account

>can't call 40k fans 40kiddies anymore because Total War repopularized WHFB

Dorfs have steamcopters, steamairships, steam warships and steam steam. They just don't go full with aesthetics.

WH40k predates Starship Troopers by 20 years you mong.

ebin

>Starship Troopers is a military science fiction novel by U.S. writer Robert A. Heinlein. Written in a few weeks in reaction to the U.S. suspending nuclear tests,[4] the story was first published as a two-part serial in The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction as Starship Soldier, and published as a book by G. P. Putnam's Sons in December 1959.

Why are Warhammer memes so good, bros?

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amazing

i can't believe the shit i just read today

>40k fans

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Yeah, nowadays sometimes it feels like pop-culture takes from a narrower pool than it used to.

I prefer WHFB but my favorite WH meme is a 40k one desu

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The magic wind of hihish blows strongly.

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>"Sickly, sinful, spectacles stand, shuffle, shamble and saunter shamelessly in mine scandalized sight! I suggest a solution... Surely such sedition should sour and succumb to Sigvald - the salacious, scandalous and sensational servant of Slaanesh! Son of Succubi, scion of sordid acts and slayer of squalid serfs!
>See how I stroll, stride, swagger and swirl, spin, and slash and stab at stupid, senseless scum! Soon they shall swoon, shall seek solace and death from sundry and torments wrought on them by my strategic, severing, scintillating shower of shimmering strikes!
Send for the sword - summon Sliverslash!"

What did he mean by this?

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He's suave.

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>laughing Handguns and Helstrom

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This version is underrated

Vermintide 2 soon

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>Still no warhammer crpg

The trouble is, what do you do use for a story?

Personally, I don't want to be a priest of Sigmar or a witch hunter. Give me something really fucking fun. Let me play as a Norscan who can eventually join up with the Empire or Warriors of Chaos,advancing through the ranks to get better gear, different responses from the game world and NPCs to said advancement.

Or hell, maybe let us play as a newly turned Blood Knight.

>it looked horrid
shut your whore mouth. I've just came to Sup Forums after playing some Warcraft 2 and I'd love to play the alpha version of Starcraft.

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>The trouble is, what do you do use for a story?
That's not a problem really, one just needs to pick.
Get a party, have a series of quest, be it about, political intrigue, Vampires, Skaven, dorfs and orcs, possibilities are countless.

Shadowrun and Arcanum would like to have a word with you

Make it TES style sandbox with Chad Priests, Order of the silver hammer, various Knightly Orders of the Empire, Colleges of Magic etc as guilds.

>Make it TES style sandbox
Nope, doesn't need and it shouldn't.

>Dubs+trips

Good job Kruber

Ah yes, on your screenshot we can see such classic Warhammer units as Tyranid Overlord. Not the best representation of the guy, I see why GW ultimately refused.

>Blizzard suing GW.

Do you have a source for anything you're saying?

>new race the tau
The Tau were introduced in 2001 and don't have anything in common with Toss apart from color scheme.

Protoss are basically Elves/Eldar. You know, crystals, superiority, smugness, psychic powers.

Because Warcraft actually copied Warhammer, which has been around much much longer

Can't believe people are actually giving OP serious answers.

OP is bait but serious question

Isn't WH40K still the same timeline/universe, but just in the distant future? As in 40,000 years in the future?

No, but there's a bit of side lore that was never really proven IIRC that Fantasy is set on a planet in the larger 40k universe.

40k-40k roughly = our planet around times of Jesus.

The common theory is that WHFB is a lost feudal planet in the 40K universe and that Sigmar was one of the lost primarchs

so how come not a single chaos space marine ever got teleported there, only chaos knights wielding maces and shit?

They're local Chaos knights.

They're masquerading as knights
It's Hard to be a God, look it up