Kill him for killing everyone at Tenpenny

>kill him for killing everyone at Tenpenny
>You've lost karma!
What did Bethesda mean by this?

Karma systems have always been bullshit. I hate them as a mechanic in video games.

If you kill your enemies, they win.

dey good bois, dey dindu nuffin

>Steal from Powder Gangers
>Lose karma

Around ghouls, don't be a fool.

Bethesda doesn't know how to handle a karma system

>not killing them before they even get the chance to invade
You fucked up.

Welcome to 10 years ago.

It doesn't matter... even when I'm rolling a good character, I kill Roy and his pack of savages every time and gladly take the karma hit. Almost everyone agrees that it's the "good" thing to do, and the karma system is wrong on this part.

Murdering in cold blood is not something a good person does, no matter what the murdered person did.
They are not hostile to you, and pose no threat to you. You decide to murder them because they killed other people.
>"Two wrongs don't make a right"

the people at tenpenny tower were old, oppressive, and greedy and literally all he did was strike back at them from the underground

you murdered the proletariat for getting back at the bourgeoisie because you're a bootlicker

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Karma isn't so important in New Vegas except for not getting Cass to leave or the level 50 perks

This, only an autist would think you should get karma for killing unsuspecting non-hostiles.

>"if you kill him you are just as bad as him!"
Hurr

>eat meat item
>karma doesn't go down

>blast mr tenpenny in the face when you first get on the balcony with him
>You've gained Karma!

the proles should be hated and the bourgeois should be looked up to. we should aspire to be greater, not aspire to bring down others.

Karma,alignment etc are shit mechanics

>They are not hostile to you, and pose no threat to you.
no active threat, sure, but he and his pack of zombies were basically just raiders and decided to hoard valuable resources and safe space which they have absolutely no use for

they would have sat on it until they inevitably went feral, at least with them gone actual survivors can move in and make use of it all

a mod to make killing them a neutral action, if not a good one, is basically an essential install for FO3. It falls under the same logic as any other bug fix.

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i always kill him on sight near the tower

>they would have sat on it until they inevitably went feral
Roy was pretty much a feral in all but intelligence.

>reddit spacing
Kill yourself, numale. And while you're at it, maybe wean off on that bougie cock, eh?

Tenpenny and Roy were both assholes

I killed them both and the bad and good karma are equaled out

In the lawless wasteland, there's no such thing as "murder." We're talking wasteland justice here where you don't have the luxury of calling the cops to arrest people like this so that they can stand trial for their actions. If you let a violent group of people who are okay with slaughtering packs of innocents go free, you runs the risk of having them grow in power and influence and become a tyrannical ruler of the area. The greater good would be, in that case, to put a stop to them.

>the people at tenpenny tower were old, oppressive, and greedy
>old, oppressive, and greedy
... and they deserved to die for this?

>you murdered the proletariat for getting back at the bourgeoisie because you're a bootlicker
You lose the moral high ground when you slaughter a group of helpless, old people who can't even fight back just so you can take their property.

Most characters end up far richer than the folks at Tenpenny Tower, so they're not exactly bootlickers. Further, just because the ghouls are poor and powerless doesn't automatically make them "proletariat." The the ghouls don't work for or provide any services to the Tenpenny folks. If anything, the Tenpenny residents want the ghouls to go away and not associate with them at all. Stop using terms you don't understand in an attempt to elevate your argument

>lel neutral fence sitting faggot

I bet you think the horse shoe theory is real

If you kill him, you'll be just like him.

@401773829
you're going to have to work harder than that for your (you)s

>kill tenpenny
>get good karma
>that means tenpenny was a saint
?????

>An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

>nuke the fuckers

Whatever you say, Batman.

If only you would have killed the Joker 50 years ago though... you probably would have saved, what thousands of lives by now?

I wouldn't mind just killing him if I didn't have to listen to Three Dog bitch about it for the REST OF THE FUCKING GAME.
I can be 100 hours in and doing Broken Steel and sometimes he'll be like HEY I JUST HEARD SOME KID CRAWLED OUT OF VAULT 101, WHAT'S GOIN ON DOWN THERE? REVOLUTION? SOMEONE FART? LOLOLOL
And he gets mad at you too if you let the ghouls move in and everyone dies, the only way to win Tenpenny Tower is to not do the fucking quest at all

Well, it's not eye for an eye, so at least he's not a hypocrite.

>literally kill everyone I meet in towns
>but give all water I find to the homeless guy outside tenpenny
>"best last hope for the wasteland"
k

The only good ghouls are the ones who never come out of their stinking holes.

He's worse than Travis or Mr. New Vegas.

I have those converted to (you)s actually. Surprised, Mr. R***it?

infinitely so, when I play F3 conelrad and existence are essential mods just so I don't have to listen to fucking Three Dog every two or three songs

I've always liked reputation systems more

Karma was perfectly conceived in Ultima 4. Not as "being good", at least not 7 of the 8 of the virtues, but defining your adherence to contrasting and overlapping philosophies. Let bandits flee from battle? You're rated for being compassionate but unjust.

I don't bring this up to just gush about Origin. But because I am floored why games like Bethesda's can keep track of every single interaction and in-game action you perform but don't actually incorporate that. People realistically, could hate how you conduct yourself; even if you're on their side. Too happy to kill people? Buy off too many enemies? Habitually convince people to betray their allies? Demand more money every time you complete a mission? That shit should be foundational in reputation.

Instead if one goes through the game picking 0 locks and stealing 0 items but have 100 skill in lockpicking: You get guards mumbling veiled threats about your criminal activities.

>playing 3
>ever

XD

The whole area is full of assholes anyway
>please blow up the bomb because it's ruining my view
>don't bother evacuating the town, just blow it up
>I just want this place to myself, not out of any ghoul rights
>I don't regret my life as a former slaver