I post this from time to time, and never get an answer

I post this from time to time, and never get an answer.

Dungeons and Dragons has been around since 1974:
>Infinite Races
>Infinite Classes
>Infinite Maps
>Infinite Storylines
>Infinite NPCs/Characters
>Can be balanced on the spot.

Why are you guys spending $100s to $1000s of dollars on consoles and gaming PC's to be limited, when you can spend like maybe $50 on a handbook, some pencils, and some paper, and have infinite things. Particularly if you love RPGs, why do you do this?

Debatable the only advantage is graphics, but the battlecry of gamers has long been "I don't care about graphics. I want good gameplay."

>I actually just want to discuss the merits of pen and paper gaming against the merits of video gaming, but the nature of this board is everything must be phrased as a confrontation.

Because it's great in theory but most D&D players just aren't very fun to play with.

Shut up fag

fpbp

I already do play D&D

I don't have friends to play with

We have the internet now man, you can find anyone. I do admit I've had cringy table-mates before, but I'm usually able to help them get better.
Lots of resources for finding game.

"role" playing is lame. gimme that autistic character building number crunching.

DnD is the only thing I play with friends, but it's not something you can do alone. Just pirate some CRPGs since they are basically some dude's basement campaign in digital form.

Role playing is whatever you make it.

The earlier editions did have some number crunching, but if you're RPG gaming, you're already doing that to an extend. 5.0 Character creation is actually super easy. Might take an hour the first time you do it, but after that you will crank them out in 5minutes or so.

>releasing two $80 books a month
DnD is actually more expensive if you're gonna keep up with the revisions and additions, and if you're downloading PDFs then you might as well just pirate PC games.

Find me a single player game with these qualities and you have a winner

you can find the PDFs on /tg/ ezpz

i just can't handle role players. the mechanics can be fun.

>and if you're downloading PDFs then you might as well just pirate PC games.

>spending $50 on a book and finding friends to play with
You could just imagine a whole world inside your head if you wanted to and it would cost nothing at all.

>YOU CAN DO ANYTHING
I don't actually want to do anything in a videogame.

because all the sessions I had were totally dogshit. Most of the DM I've played with couldn't handle a good story, and the other players were autists who couldn't stop making jokes and not focusing on the adventure

This

And this

For me personally, it's more the first one. I have one friend that insists he be the GM every time, even though he is utterly terrible at it. He's the kind of guy that says things like Pete Hines, "Nobody cares about logic or rules in a fantasy setting." and will literally just kill people's players anytime you do something he doesn't like with bullshit like a beggar slitting your throat because you "were in the wrong place". Then I have another friend in the same group that thinks it's hilarious to be le ebin troll all the time and will do literally the exact opposite of what the rest of the party wants. Everyone wants to sneak? He goes in guns blazing. Everyone wants to interrogate a prisoner? He kills them. The GM, of course, thinks it's hilarious as well and lets him do this shit. Unfortunately, my roommate keeps inviting them over for this because they bring him weed and booze. If you want to play D&D, you have to go find a group that wants to play correctly, because odds are your normal group of friends will make the experience complete shit.

Too many spergs and no anime titties.

Just find another group actually interested in Forgotten Realms.

Because Sup Forums has no capacity for original thought and relies on other people to deliver experiences to them.

literally this. thanks for posting. most players can't play properly and the whole thing become a snoozefest

I have 4 books I bought for about 30 bucks each, for a total of $120. Only one of them is mandatory to play, and only 2 of them are mandatory to play and DM. SO you are in for 60-80tops.

Ive heard of single DM-Single player campaigning.

Gotta find that group, or work on that group.

I highly advise PHB just to have mechanics, but technically you are absolutely right.

Keep trying, good groups are out there, and when you find one it's 10/10.

FInd a legit group.

Find a legit group. Technically you could make it all anime if you wanted.

Let me know when they create advanced GM AI so that I can play this by myself.

hey guys, do you know any youtube channel or twitch who records and posts online games/adventures? it seems fun to watch

>SO you are in for 60-80tops.
Xanathar's ALONE is $80+ and practically a requirement now.

I have no friends to play with and there aren't any public groups or shops around.

how much would an original monster manual be worth? i have mine from the 70's yet.

Critical Role.

Either a lot or jackshit depending on condition and location.

I've been a part of a pathfinder group for for about two months now. We've canceled more games than we've actually played. And we had only had one combat encounter.

So while DnD is perfect in theory, it falls a part in practice when confronted with adult life and responsibilities. I think it's a better framework for coming up with interesting stories.

>when you can spend like maybe $50 on a handbook, some pencils, and some paper, and have infinite things.

Technically, you need at least 3 books:

-Player's Handbook
-Dungeon Master's Guide
-Monster Manual

That's about $100 right there unless you're buying used copies, and also using free homebrew campaigns. Actual campaign books are nearly $50 a pop, plus a grid mat for tactical combat and a decent screen will set you back another $50, plus a couple dice sets because most digital dice apps are shit.

And then you need to find a group of people willing to meet at least once in a while to play, and a place to do it. I've been playing with a group for almost 3 years, but it's a bitch retaining players because the venue is sometimes closed and schedules change.

Critical Role is pretty good from what I've watched.

Maybe $100 to a collector, assuming it isn't falling the fuck apart.

>Playing a video game
Step 1: Play video game

>Playing tabletop
Step 1: Buy a calendar
Step 2: Throw that calendar in the trash
Step 3: Reschedule throwing calendar in the trash
Step 4: Cancel Calendar Trash Throw 45 minutes before the start time because "Something Came Up"

When people keep "rescheduling" it's obvious they don't really care about it but just like being invited. Find some nerds who prioritize it equally with other social activities.

>requires friends who are just as autistic as you to start playing
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

Lmfao Nerd

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>2.4 mb

>not pathfinder
>not rouge trader

The tricky part is getting a buyer, because you have to find somebody who wants this, and doesn't already have it. If you can do that you maid at least a $100,

The core of my group is myself, the DM and one other guy. We usually get new players once a month, and our game is listed weekly on Meetup. We've had players last for years, but usually they drop out after a month or two, citing lack of time.

Spine looks a bit ragged, but the page quality looks alright, check around on ebay for pricing suggestions.

phoneposter, got'em.

>social interaction
No thanks.

This. Play d&d with anyone for long enough and by the end you'll fucking hate their guts.

You ever try to DM/fact check using PDF's? Shit is unwieldy as fuck. I'd rather have the physical copies with me.

>playing with randies
Enjoy your undiagnosed personality disorders

>Not playing NWN and getting the best of both worlds.

I just don't care for d&d any longer. and the vidya changed from dungeon crawlers to epic quests and quirky companions.

The only good D&D groups are the ones you grow up with.
Adults that play D&D are either too into it and fucking weird as hell or not interested enough and just like the idea of it because they some celebrity do a podcast.
When you grow up with D&D pals you all start off as rookies, all get into it the same amount.
When you're an adult the only people that want to play are people that really shouldn't.

Someone post the story of the Wrestler who rolls to pin a flying dragon.

I want to do that.

>He doesn't play AD&D/3.0
HAHAHAHAHAH.

It requires friends.

>not ascending to war games

Why the fuck would I play trash?

I have a discord bot that lets me look up monsters, rules, and stats with a single command line. (Avrae, look into it and use it just for that utility alone.)

I play Dnd once a week, and have just recently decided to stop playing a Star Wars ttpnprpg as well. It's fucking great fun, and provides limitless options. My DM also asks for shit from the players to build the world, so you basically outline some shit and he'll refine it, building a massive area of his planet or whatever that you are a part of, making it easier for him to come up with ideas and also including the players.

DnD is a very different “game” than most video games. I get that RPGs are still similar fundamentally, but RPGs are up there with my least favorite genres. DnD can’t replicate clearing a Tetris at 150 lines on the NES, or challenging corners in Ridge Racer only to nail that perfect drift, or wiping the enemy team on a contested control point in a multiplayer FPS. You make it sound like you can do *anything* with DnD, but the ruleset is limited to, well, role-playing. There’s way more variety in video games and each game is like a little puzzle that, ideally, is always fun to solve. DnD is ultimately always gonna be rooted to the RNG and character stats. The fun is the social aspect of it, and desu you have to pay me to deal with other people face to face, so I’ll take the cold monitor glow and softly humming computer over human interaction pretty much every time.

You do you, though.

Because if I did I'd be a fa/tg/uy, and that's terrible.

I do this and it will haunt your life unless you actually produce something with it. I'm beyond brainlet status because I'm constantly halfway thinking about my worldbuilding setting at any one time.

I can dig this argument. but if you play RPG vidjya, you really need to give table-top a try.

Mah Nigga

Ascending to war games requires burning all of your money in a pyre to the gods of Games Workshop.

for recorded games I'd recommend Force Grey. Its Matt Mercer with five players who seem to want to play 5th edition D&D and not spout stupid nonsense. Not a CR fan by the way.

Make DMs that run shitty core only 3.5 games, Paizoshitters, people that play 5E period, or retards that shit on editions they have most certainly never played stop outnumbering everyone else, let alone the subset of people running games I'd actually be interested in.

You're also stupid if you think most DMs balance properly on the fly and don't totally fuck things up("wow monk is so OP it gets so many class features and doesn't need a weapon and gets more attacks than everyone else. wow this tripping fighter is so OP I have to nerf him right now. what's that druid? of course your animal companion with higher stats than the party fighter is okay.") due to sheer ineptitude and inability to understand mechanics.

>DnD is ultimately always gonna be rooted to the RNG and character stats.
Reverse that; video games are always gonna be rooted to their programming. Stats don't matter, you can try to tackle that dragon if you want to.

>why don't you just hang out with a bunch of autists
Yeah nah

t. 4e fag

>I want all the DMs to run my specific meme versions

>Year of our lord MMXVIII
>playing DnD
Get some taste in RPGs

I'd rather play Worms or some fighting geimu with my friends than doing this.

But that’s up to RNG whether or not you die against the dragon, right? It’s not that being rooted in itself is the problem, but RNG is like the fundamental rule of DnD. It’s all built around the D20. Every game, video or otherwise, is gonna be grounded by a ruleset, I just don’t care for DnD’s. I’d rather play a game that simulates and gamifies the “rules” of a street race or firefight, or something like that.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not dissing DnD. I think Gygax was a genius and his system is ingenious. But it’s not for me.

If you think I was only talking about 4E with that, you are retarded.

That would require interacting with real people.

>durr why watch movies when you can read books! The effects budget of your imagination is limitless.

Because I want to experience works from world-famous masterminds, auteurs and visionaries who are and qualified to do that shit for a living.

You're interacting with real people right now.

Because D&D is low hanging fruit for normalfags when there's better RPGs out there.

It's like thinking LotR is the best fantasy or Star Wars is the best sci-fi.

Any system that still uses hitpoints and a class/level system post-1995 is a joke.

I have no imagination

I like DnD, but literally the only people I am interested in playing with is my friends and the subset of friends that play DnD simply can't get together that often. We're lucky if we manage once a week.

>infinite races

Nope. 9/10 times player created races are either redundant or OP as fuck.

>infinite classes

Ditto first point.

>infinite maps

Takes me about 10 hours to draw up a map for a PREBUILT. Double or triple that for a homebrew campaign.

>infinite storylines

A storyline that's about 16 hours of total playtime will take WEEKS of work minimum to put together. And the players WILL do so ething you didn't plan for. Better good thinking on your feet.

>infinite NPCs/Characters

Pain in the ass to make though.

>on the spot balance

Not really. D&D Fighter class will always be OP. Mages will always be shit late game because of how save scaling works. The rules of D&D have glaring problems. Hence why systems like Pathfinder exist. Pathfinder fixes some of the class OPness and some of the save scaling.

Currently getting really into Starfinder. Space combat needs some polish but otherwise liking it.

>hive mind of gook moot
>real people

>D&D Fighter class will always be OP. Mages will always be shit late game because of how save scaling works.

>D&D Fighter class will always be OP. Mages will always be shit late game because of how save scaling works.
If I had a brainlet wojak on my harddrive I would post it because holy fuck, you are braindead.

I tried it once. It was awful.

Stop trying to trick me bear.

>D&D Fighter class will always be OP. Mages will always be shit late game because of how save scaling works.
>Pathfinder fixes some of the class OPness
wat

$80? wtf are you talking about? I got my copy for like $30

>Pathfinder fixes some of the class OPness
>Give Wizards and Sorcerers real class features without them having to go out of their way for broken shit like Abrupt Jaunt or PrCs
>Give them the ability to freely apply metamagic 100% of the time with Sacred Geometry
>Dazing Persistent X instantly raping encounters
>Meanwhile a PF Fighter takes absurd levels of optimization to catch up with a halfassed ToB character
Never post again.

Go home /tg/, fucking hell.

Same reason I hate MMOs

Not the guy that you responded to but i would love to try this is there a specific site that you can go to or what

5th edition DND has a free set of rules that have 5 races and 6 classes with everything you need to play on the official rules

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I mean D&D is great if you can get a group that avoids drama. The problem is half the time, at some point in the game, someone is going to do something stupid, or bring someone in who will do something stupid that ruins the game for everyone.

Thread should've ended here.
People talk all about how it's hard to find a DM, it's a million times harder to find players that aren't either:

a: Minmaxing autists who backseat dm and just want to be op, who also throw a fit anytime anything doesn't go their way

b: Retards who have no idea what they're doing, can't be bothered to update their sheets, read even the basic rules, or portray a character and just want to meme and be epicly random

90% of all players I've played with fall into thee categories. Even just a singular player who is invested, creates a fun character, doesn't get in people's way and realizes winning is not all that matters is a rare find.
D&D requires a good amount of trust and accountability between players and DM, and that's something people lack in spades, especially nowadays.

>the game, players and dm have to do everything my way or I won't have fun

That's called autism, user. And retards like you are a big reason d&d is fucking cancer. Do everyone a favor and never play again.

But he's right though. Especially on the balancing part.

I love playing mage classes, but if you are using ANY spells that are save based past level 10, it may as well be fucking useless with the exception of very rare scenarios. Which is retarded considering mages are hyped up to be reality altering gods of fuck when they reach epic level, but fall short of anyone with a decent Save Roll

Because D&D requires friends to play. As in local friends. Most people on Sup Forums don't have anyone. Why do you think most spend years here?

The vast majority of D&D games nowadays are played online with strangers.

Sorry, too busy having people beg me to play with them.

I just like reading the lore and making a character or two. Actually playing it isn't fun at all.