What are some games where the hero and villain can become lovers?

What are some games where the hero and villain can become lovers?

Kylo is too good of a character for Rey.

>any star wars character ever
>a good character

He had maybe one good moment in TLJ

You literally cannot argue against Kylo wanting to destroy the idea of the dark side and the jedi with only having a singular "force". As a video game board talking about star wars, most of you know why.

Kylo is the first Star Wars character with internal conflict that's actually done decently. Anakin was salty because he wasn't good enough to get a promotion in the Council. And some old wrinkly dude manipulated him like a little bitch.
Kylo gets manipulated, as well, but he sees through the bullshit and forges his own path, shown when he kills Snoke and usurps the title of Supreme Leader. His parents sold him off at a young age to his uncle, who he *believes* attempted to kill him in his sleep. He's infinitely better than Anakin.
But, of course, the cycle dictates that the prequels must now be loved by all.

I feel like him becoming Supreme Leader undermines the point of his speech with Rey. That honestly would've been the best time to introduce the Knights of Ren and have Kylo forge the third alliance in this conflict, one made up by force users, both "jedi" and dark side.

It made the most sense for him to just become the leader of the First Order. An emotionally unstable dude and a group of novice-level Force users doesn't equate to a third side (at least, not in my opinion).
Kylo's endgame seems to be to destroy literally everyone and start over from scratch. The Dark Side turned him into the mess he is now, and the Light Side caused him to even journey down the dark path. I'm willing to bet he'll give up on the Order when they've served his purpose.

KOTOR 1 and 2 both sort of have this, ironically.

>An emotionally unstable dude and a group of novice-level Force users doesn't equate to a third side
when one of the existing "sides" is 12 guys in a single spaceship, it pretty much does

We actually don't know the power level of the Knights of Ren since they NEVER FUCKING SHOW THEM

explain how

Kreia wanted to destroy the force completely

>Kylo is the first Star Wars character with internal conflict that's actually done decently.
Can you underage faggots watch the Original Trilogy already

They say in TLJ that Kylo took some of the Padawan from Luke's temple with him. Going off of that, they probably posses equal-or-lesser Force abilities compared to Kylo. Snoke also says that as darkness rises, light will also rise in attempt to balance itself out. Kylo has unnaturally powerful Force potential; this is also why Rey is so good at the Force with almost no training. Her rapid growth happened due to Kylo's powers causing an "awakening" in the Force. None of the Knights are on Kylo's level.

Friendly reminder women are literally absolute mindless whores who will gladly fuck Kylo fucking Ren, who has murdered people by the thousands, because he's "sexy".

I fucking hate women. Women are the reason male traits are the way they are. Women just can't help whoring themselves to brutish killers. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with them.

What are some games where they build up interesting things, only to have it be incredibly predictable and boring?

I just watched ESB yesterday. Which character in the original trilogy has emotional conflict as good as Kylo's? I'm not saying this to start shit, either; I love all the Star Wars movies, and have seen each one at least 5 times. I'm not the type of guy to hate every non-OT Star Wars film and yet call myself a "fan".

user, most people can separate an actor's physical appearance from the character they are portraying

Nothing about Episode 8 was even remotely predictable. I'm not saying this to be a fanboy, either. Episode 8 is climactic and twisty enough to feel like the conclusion of the trilogy, so much so that I don't know what they're going to do with the final film.

I guess two thirds of the plot amounting to nothing is pretty unpredictable, yes

but at the end of it all, it's still good guys vs. bad guys, Empires vs. Rebels, Rey is still the hero, Kylo is still the villain.

>I can see you killing your true enemy!
Gee, I fucking wonder which character he's gonna kill.

it would've been actually surprising if they hadn't shown the fucking lightsaber rattling

Comes into thread to see some examples of the OP's question and everyone's bitching about Star Wars because of a thumbnail pic.

nigger what?

>kylo ren and rey put in a situation where they actually have to team up for once
>fuck all the light/dark nonsense, let's just do our own thing

>naaaahh let's just go back to playing good guys and bad guys like we have been

That fucking jew nose my god

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>Which character in the original trilogy has emotional conflict as good as Kylo's?
Luke Skywalker

>implying men don't want to fuck evil women

That's all in one scene, though. Before that scene, absolutely nobody thought Kylo would kill Snoke. It was obvious DURING it, but not in the movie-and-a-half before that point.

Can you? Maybe if you actually saw them instead of putting together the story based on what people on the internet say about them, you might have a dog in this fight.

No it wouldn't have. Killing off Snoke with 0 (ZERO) character development is by far the most boring thing they could've done, even if they tried to make it more sudden.

He's using the First Order, but that doesn't mean he's following Snoke's plan to further the dark side or whatever that wrinkly ballsack's plan was. He just took over because he was strong, they work for him now. For all intents and purposes they are part of his whole "Knights of Ren" deal.

Not him but Luke had emotional conflict but it was much more subtle and less emphasized than Kylo. Kylo's conflict is easier to identify though since it's mostly in the manifestation of Snoke's manipulation. As oppose to Luke's conflict being the empire itself cucking him out of his care takers, girl he was interested in (which turn out to be his sister), his masters death, his self confidence, his inner struggle that yoda had to help him with, the inability to save han solo during capture and inner struggle with his father being the second most evil man in the galaxy.

All of that stuff really isn't conflict. Conflict is having doubts about what you're doing. Luke never doubted anything he was ever doing. Watching ESB yesterday, when he chose to go to Bespin, he was 100% set in his ways, and didn't appear even remotely conflicted about his decision, despite the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan both told him NOT to go. This just makes him immature, and stupid. He changes off-camera in-between 5 and 6, but that's off camera.
Kylo has doubts about his very actions. You can tell that he can't stand to serve Snoke, yet he does it anyway. He even tries to kill him earlier in the movie, but is shut down with a lightning ball. He gets pissed about his entire situation and lashes out at the walls of an elevator. He can't bring himself to kill his own mother, when that's the Order's mission. Killing Han only made him more regretful.

I agree with everything you said, though; it's just that all those things are motivations for him to defeat evil, rather than conflicts that would cause him to falter.

> Much more subtle and less emphasized

It fucking was not. When was the last time you saw the movies? Like is constantly whining, screaming, yelling. His emotional conflict is plastered across the entirety of the trilogy. It isn't until RotJ that he actually holds some composure (which Hamill doesn't even do well) and his conflict becomes subtle, and all of that crumbles during the final confrontation. You're tripping on some serious nostalgia if you think Luke throwing a hissy fit about killing himself as Vader was any more subtle than Ren throwing a tantrum and wrecking a control room.

I dont get it. First annakin was suppose to be the chosen one but no. Then luke was suppose to be but no...
WTF...And like everyone is super sure about x being the chosen one...Why does it happen all of a sudden?
Its also interesting how messianic jewish tradition is in mainstream culture now.

Technically, Anakin was still the chosen one. He was the one to end the Sith.

It's more likely that the prophecy said a "Skywalker" was the chosen one. Given as to how Luke and Vader didn't do it, and with how he keeps talking about letting both the Jedi and the Sith die out, I'm betting Kylo is actually the chosen one

Calling it now, they're going to be the centerpiece of a TV spinoff or another in-between movie like Rogue One.

>series ends with "haha you thought god was real nigga haha nigga the prophecy is bullshit, gotcha".

You're delusional, you obviously skipped over possibly every scene on Dagobah where Luke is questioning Yoda basically all the time, and failing his lessons because of his emotions about his friends clouding his judgement. Eventually he makes a decision (something Kylo has never actually done) and decides to face Darth Vader alone just to save his friends. He was being immature, and stupid, and he learned his lesson when he was utterly defeated by Vader.

In RotJ, Luke is much more mature and has a clear goal, but that doesn't make him any less entangled in conflict. Have you even seen the final duel in the throne room? Do you remember the scene when hes emotionally torn while watching his friends get blasted away in space? Did you watch the scene where he bursts out in anger and attacks the Emperor? Ever subsequent scene is him trying to bring his own dad away from the dark side. Eventually concentrates all of his anger and smacks Vader with brute force, but then has to collect himself after the fact. Luke then accepts responsibility as a Jedi and refuses to strike down his father, even though he knows he may get skilled by the emperor instantly.

Are you actually saying the flip-flop edgy teenager that is Kylo Ren even comes close to this? He isn't deep because he switches sides and his emotions are childlike to the point where calling Luke immature is pushing it.

If they keep reproducing, there's never going to be a "chosen one" since the kids clearly out power their ancestry. I got money on Ren and Rey making a Super Baby that force-ghosts his/her way out of Rey's womb and instantly bring order to the Galaxy only to fuck it up and have sex with Lizard Space Jesus to then further the cycle with their offspring.

The shocking thing is that the leaked names and designs of the Knights of Ren are eerily similar to the characters in Rogue One (other than quip-droid)

>Snoke also says that as darkness rises, light will also rise in attempt to balance itself out. Kylo has unnaturally powerful Force potential; this is also why Rey is so good at the Force with almost no training. Her rapid growth happened due to Kylo's powers causing an "awakening" in the Force.
This was the dumbest fucking explanation ever. She's powerful because someone else actually trained his ass off under a Jedi Master. Top tier Mary Sue bullshit.

>makes a decision
>something Kylo has never actually done
my mans literally killed the nu-emperor, pissing off literally everyone who knows him
he decided not to kill his mother against orders
what are you talking about my dude

>Kylo has unnaturally powerful Force potential; this is also why Rey is so good at the Force with almost no training. Her rapid growth happened due to Kylo's powers causing an "awakening" in the Force.
>muh equality
BAD ASS

I want a game with a cute female villain who just can't help but lust after the good guy main character, and she has to fight with herself constantly to continuing being evil while trying desperately to hide her feelings for one of the good guys.

and a real evil bitch to, like taking over the world and enslaving humanity type shit. Cold imperialistic ruthlessness.

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I'm not saying it's not dumb; I'm just saying the way the movie explains it. Her rapid growth compared to Kylo taking forever is likely due to the fact that massive events were soon to occur, and a light-side champion was needed very fast; hence why Rey was dragged into galaxy-spanning conflict instantly

I haven't watched soy wars yet but your post could not sound more underage

owch

God, Disney's writers are absolute dog shit. I could've written a better trilogy than this. Honestly, they shouldn't have even THOUGHT about immediate sequels.

He's either memeing for (you)'s or is legitimately blinded by nostalgia. Especially since Luke was literally the 70's version of a flip-flop edgy teenager. There's no point arguing with this idiot. He's in an echo chamber.

It's like a misunderstood version of KotOR II

Rey is written like shit, but Kylo is pretty well-done and enjoyable.
Despite what everyone says, I really like the way they wrote Luke in the new one too

Wanting those tasty spoiler bullets shots

> I could've written a better trilogy than this

No you couldn't have. It is by no means good, but you could not have done better.

Snoke isn’t dead though. The throne is completely differen from TFA that he is sitting in. He isn’t even sith, and probably an aspect of the force, he probably projected himself in that scenario to finish kylos training to see if he could truly let go of his past self . I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he comes back.

>Kills Han because Snoke told him to
>Doesn't kill Leia
>Kills Snoke making his previous actions meaningless
Kylo is an emotional crybaby that literally can not make up his own mind. I'm not sure if it's bad writing or intentional, either way he's not as conflicted as Luke (was).

>I grew up nowhere
>Everyone comes from somewhere
>I came from Jakku
>I came from Tatooine
One fucking change. Had to have those whacky quips doe.

That's why Rey sucks sooo much ass.

Everyone tells me I look like him. I know theyre basically just telling me I have a big ass nose.

Anyone with a half-decent understanding of KotOR II and the good novels of the old EU could have done better.

Luke was fucking terrible in TLJ.
>I believe my sith lord father is capable of being good!
>This teenanger might be bad, better sneak into his room, ignite my lightsaber, and contremplate murdering him in cold blood.
>Show's up at the end to teach his former pupil a lesson
>Heh, nothing personnel kid, seeya 'round
>dies.
Without seeing any exmaples or ntohing anything else about him, I believe that this user could write better, because TLJ was an absolute clusterfuck.

>literally cannot make up his own mind
Is that not the DEFINITION of internal conflict, though?

You can't sell Rey dolls and costumes to little girls if she becomes anything other than a hero.

>Kills his father
>Regrets it so doesn't kill his mother
>Kills Snoke because the old fag made fun of him

Kylo is the best character in Star Wars. Depending on how episode 9 goes I'll say he's a better character than Luke.

That quip follows the "show don't tell" rule the original trilogy did so well before the prequels tried to explain everything and fucked with the formula. It defines not only Jakku as a shithole, which it is, but that even someone from the dusty shithole of Tatooine knows Jakku is an even worse shithole.

You just want something to hate about the movie without understanding why you didn't like it in the first place.

Why can males enjoy villains and heroes but most girls do not like villains (With a few obvious female villains that are universally loved)?

Set it in the Old Republic era and you can go balls-to-the-walls since Disney wiped the slate clean by pronouncing all the previous lore non-canon.

And seriously? I could plagiarize the Thrawn Trilogy or the story of Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma and it'd be 100x better.

Hell, the VONG would make a better trilogy.

>He's either memeing for (you)'s or is legitimately blinded by nostalgia
No, I watched all 6 movies for the first time in a row.
>Especially since Luke was literally the 70's version of a flip-flop edgy teenager
He was whiny and immature in the first movie but he's never flip-flops. Luke was always morally good.
>There's no point arguing with this idiot. He's in an echo chamber.
Right back at you.

TLJ is shit and people who say Kylo Ren is the "deepest character in Star Wars" are either underage or have no taste at all.

>>I believe my sith lord father is capable of being good!
To be fair Luke went full tard rage against Vader and almost killed him only stopping at the last moment. Sheev himself said Luke was so close to falling to the dark side.

He does the same thing with Kylo - has a moment of weakness, but picks the right choice.

This right here. I was sitiing in the theater when it came to me, they showed some little girl dressed up as Rey in a commercial. We got fucked out pf an actually interesting story because of MARKETING.

But it also "show don't tell" with the edit by having the fact that the legendary Luke Skywalker also grew up in a shit hole planet.

So was Snoke a sith lord? or just a dark side fanboy?

If you actually believe that, I find your opinions pretty hilarious and would like to know what other stories you could write better.

Not that the EU or KotOR II was poorly written, but that you think consuming those things makes you in any way qualified or even capable of producing a better story than what we got. If you're not under 18, your life is a joke.

After seeing Episode 7 in theatres for the 3rd time that week, I had decided that Kylo was the most based SW character.
Episode 8 only amplified that belief, and he's now my single favorite character in the saga. The only character that comes close is young Obi-Wan.

>when you are one of the biggest franchises on the planet and get your ass beat by a remake of an awful movie

Little girls don't like villans. Only when they grow up/horizontally and become tumblrinas they like the baddest bitch Maleficent.

Because Star Wars is, and always has been, a merchandising machine, designed to sell shit to children and man children.

They specifically go out of their way to say he isn't a Sith, despite the fact that he has all the powers of a Sith. It's just retarded shit-tier writing.

what are some games where you can get swole

>OG Jumanji
>Awful
The special effects alone are better than 90% of the garbage Hollywood shits out.

>Kylo is the best character in Star Wars.
You'll catch someone with your bait

>LE BOOBS MEME
Post-Sup Forums internet latches on to the dumbest shit

Holy balls you guys are out of your minds.
>THE MOVIE IS BETTER AFTER THE 4TH TIME YOU WATCH IT
Yeah, no shit, if you keep experiencing something over and over you start to grow a familiarity which makes it easier to like. This does not make Kylo Ren a good character, and he is not "based".

stop making fun of fridge bodies REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>t. fridge bod

Please stop trying to defend TLJ, it only makes you worse

I never said the movies are better the more you watch them. I just watched it over and over because I liked it.
I saw Episode 3 in theaters daily for about a week, as well. I fucking love Star Wars. ALL Star Wars; not just Episode 4 and 5, like "real" Star Wars fans.

>After seeing Episode 7 in theatres for the 3rd time that week

No it's not. It turns it into a moment of bonding between characters, and puts Jakku on par with Tatooine in terms of shithole status, which isn't true. Tatooine at least had a position that gave reason to build ports for trade, they had commerce. Jakku is literally just a rock of dust at the edge of the galaxy.

This is kinda true
Anakin was a complete fuccboi who actually believed Sheev's obvious lies
Kylo didn't really give a shit about Snoke he was just a means to an end for him

Although one thing I did always like about Anakin's character arc was how everyone telling him he was the chosen one ended up feeding his ego which helped push him to the dark side in the end
It's a nice element that showcases how imperfect the Jedi council was

You're unable to be objective and can't discern quality.

>this whole post
top kek

>but that you think consuming those things makes you in any way qualified or even capable of producing a better story than what we got
Why not? TLJ gave me the impression someone had experienced KotOR II, or had perhaps heard someone explain it to them, and set out to do something similar - but tripped up because they didn't understand it or the basics of Star Wars at all.

Except the monkeys, those always looked terrible.

>Kills his father
>Regrets it so doesn't kill his mother
Patricide is probably the worst crime committed in the SW universe aside from child killing. Making Kylo even more of a puss was dumb as hell but then making him question light and dark put him back on the interesting side then he tells Rey HURR DURR LET'S RULE TOGETHER and that's all shot out the window

I'm not a fan of either JJ or Rian but it's ridiculous that they could make a Star Wars movie where very little develops since the last movie. Kevin Feige is a monster but at least he's keeping a close watch on the MCU

No it doesn't. It's just a movie. My opinions on a movie do not make a difference in my personality. You're ridiculous.